<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Tha Franksta:</div><div class="quote_post">At first I thought this idea was awesome but I'm starting to pull back because I think Chandler could really be something special. He's a defensive presence we need on the Bulls if we want to consider contending for a championship.</div> because he can block shots does not make him a "defensive presence" He is clueless when it comes to defense and doesn't know where to go with far too many plays. He has a lot of energy and it makes it look like he's doing something.
I'm not so sure this is going to happen, Danny shot down the rumor today at a press conference. I know that doesn't mean anything, but It dosen't sound like a good deal on Boston's side as far as I'm concerned. Not because of Chandler, but because of the weak draft this year. I don't think the 3rd pick means as much this year as it has in the past.
Danny has been shooting down trades that he said he'll never do since day one so you can scrap that one out the window. Since Chicago made the trade for seven I think this Pierce trade is one step closer. Danny would love for the opportunity to rebuild with two solid draft picks (#3 and #7), even at the expense of Pierce.
Hence me saying "I know that doesn't mean anything" Uh, you sig says "Indiana" and "Defense wins Championships" I assume the two are unrelated.
^I was actually re-stating what you said, not downplaying it, but thanks anyways for the weak comeback on my sig. No really thanks. BTW I think defence is more synonomous with Indiana moreso then with Tracy Mcgrady no? I'm just saying....
not sure what I was "coming back" to... Also, I don't have a sig that says "T-Mac-Defense wins Championships" so I don't know where you're going with that. But If you are claiming that your sig makes some sort of sense, than I guess a T-Mac version would also. I'm sorry I took a shot at Indiana, If I knew you couldn't handle it, I wouldn't have.
^Okay there buddy. Let's not get off-topic but you were obviously responding to my comment about Danny shooting down trades. Don't get it twisted playa. Here I'll rehash it for you: <div class="quote_poster">Quoting CourtVision:</div><div class="quote_post">Danny has been shooting down trades that he said he'll never do since day one so you can scrap that one out the window. </div><div class="quote_poster">Quoting 44caliberthrila:</div><div class="quote_post"> Hence me saying "I know that doesn't mean anything" Uh, you sig says "Indiana" and "Defense wins Championships" I assume the two are unrelated.</div>Obviously you just trying to trash talk. That's okay though I can handle it sonny. BTW I guess having Jermaine O'neal and Ron Artest on your team means nothing in terms of defence. I guess you don't watch NBA enough to know that Indiana is one of the better defensive teams in the NBA East or West. But thats okay I won't let your lack of NBA knowledge get in the way me of educating you. Defence is synomous with Indiana from the coach to the players to the system, just ask around. <font size="3">Now Back to the main topic.....</font> Pierce has more of a chance to come to Boston now moreso than ever since Chicago acquired the 7th pick. Danny Ainge HAS stated that he would not trade Pierce away to Chicago but past experience tells us otherwise.
i used to think pierce was a franchise player but now I dont think so. A franchise player is someone good enough to be the best player on a championship caliber team. the only franchise player in the league right now who isnt a big man is jason kidd and maybe tracy mcgrady. If chandler could put up a better field goal percentage with more rebounds than pierce as one of a handful of good players on the celtics than maybe they would be better off taking him especially if they could end up with a star from the draft. but who knows. either way the celtics are far far away from being a serious contender so it doesnt really mattter
anyone else realize that dallas also had finley, jamison, and nash...wtf we got lafrentz...anyway trading pierce is trading the only strong link to the c's...banks could develop into a really good fastbreak pg, maybe you package davis for #3 pick (gordon) and have him be a small sg...the other sg that came out of uconn are ray allen and rip hamilton, sounds like good company...as for pf maybe a free agent...KMart is out there, we get him and the C's are a contender
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> Obviously you just trying to trash talk. That's okay though I can handle it sonny. BTW I guess having Jermaine O'neal and Ron Artest on your team means nothing in terms of defence. I guess you don't watch NBA enough to know that Indiana is one of the better defensive teams in the NBA East or West. But thats okay I won't let your lack of NBA knowledge get in the way me of educating you. Defence is synomous with Indiana from the coach to the players to the system, just ask around. </div> Well, I'm not trying to trash talk. This may be hard for you to understand, but Indiana hasn't won a championship. That is why I thought your sig was a little off. Maybe if it had a pic of Ben Wallace and Tayshaun Prince, it would make more sense. Yes, Indiana is a good denfensive team. Artest can shut anybody down on any given night. O'Neal is a great defender in the post, and is a good help defender. So on and so forth... But, still, they haven't won a championship. I suggest maybe you change it to "Defense wins Playoff series against Boston and Miami" or even "Defense wins the Central Division" as those would be a little more accurate.
Damnit, I wish people would stop putting Gordon up on a pedestal like he's going to be something worth losing Pierce for. EVERY, and I mean EVERY UCONN fan who's stepped up to respond to this trade rumor has said he's not even remotely worth the #3(More like the 6-9 range at best) and he's certainly not worth Pierce, despite thier admittance that they like Gordon. People are bagging on Pierce because the C's had a particularly poor year, yet 90% of those who have negative comments for Pierce, put TMac on a pedestal. Regardless, this trade isn't going to happen according to Celtic sources and was little more than one of a few dozen inquiries made by Chicago to try and move Chandler by packaging him with the pick. They're pithcing it to everyone and even Chad Ford said yesterday that in the few hours before he talked with me on the phone that he had heard 10 different trade rumors involving Chicago and that pick. All included Chandler, who they are vehemently shopping to anyone who'll listen. The C's will draft Swift with thier first pick. Take that to the bank. After that, all bets are off.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting 44caliberThrila:</div><div class="quote_post"> But, still, they haven't won a championship. I suggest maybe you change it to "Defense wins Playoff series against Boston and Miami" or even "Defense wins the Central Division" as those would be a little more accurate.</div>It's a figure of speech. Would it be better if I put "Defence wins future championships"? Indiana is synonmous with defence hence you have to play defence to win championships. It is not based on what they have accomplished but rather what they are trying to accomplish. Try not to take it too literal next time. It's just a figure of speech. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting hagrid:</div><div class="quote_post"> Damnit, I wish people would stop putting Gordon up on a pedestal like he's going to be something worth losing Pierce for. EVERY, and I mean EVERY UCONN fan who's stepped up to respond to this trade rumor has said he's not even remotely worth the #3(More like the 6-9 range at best) and he's certainly not worth Pierce, despite thier admittance that they like Gordon. </div>I don't think it is only Gordon that is involved in the deal, it is also their #7 pick as well if I'm not mistaken. Ainge has always said that he wants to rebuild the team through the draft and #3 and #7 are very valuable. As valuable as Pierce? I don't think so but it goes with Ainges vision nonetheless.
[quote name='hagrid']Damnit, I wish people would stop putting Gordon up on a pedestal like he's going to be something worth losing Pierce for. i didnt say pierce i said davis, gordon is not worth losing pierce for but could become one of those scorers you cant stop
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting hagrid:</div><div class="quote_post">My comments were general, not to anyone in particular Wink. Sorry if it came off that way.</div> hey well no problem anyway if you look at the celtics store http://store.nba.com/gp/run-search.html/10...rue&is%5Flist=0 there is a very obvious feature, almost all of the jerseys are pierce trading the face of your franchise,(also dallas's current problem) will ruin you, and i dont think chandler jerseys will fly off the shelves
I certainly wouldn't be getting myself a Chandler Bobblehead to go with my collectors edition Pierce one, that's for sure.
I never meant to rag on pierce. hes a great player. but as i've said he's not good enough to be the best player on a championship team. And he's the only bargaining chip the celtics have. the only player any team would ever want. so if you can trade him for two very good young players and try to find someone else to be your franchise player it may be for the best. of course franchise players dont just grow on trees so it may be moot. but the celtics would have a better chance landing such a player in trade/free agency down the line if they can free up the money and we know pierce isnt it. BTW: who said that the celtics would be a contender if they added Kenyon Martin yea, him or jammal magloire. we land one of those "STUD" big men and number 17 is on the way. are you NUTS!! landing an overrated big man who cant make his own shot when you dont even have a legit point guard would be "counterproductive" to put it in the absolute nicest possible terms. and i dont see why evryone thinks marcus banks is gonna be a star point gaurd. the guy is fast and is a decent ball player but even in college he never racked up crazy assist numbers. he racked up lots of turnovers but thats about it. hes a hoot-first point guard, not what you want in a guy running the fast break
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting hagrid:</div><div class="quote_post">Damnit, I wish people would stop putting Gordon up on a pedestal like he's going to be something worth losing Pierce for. EVERY, and I mean EVERY UCONN fan who's stepped up to respond to this trade rumor has said he's not even remotely worth the #3(More like the 6-9 range at best) and he's certainly not worth Pierce, despite thier admittance that they like Gordon. People are bagging on Pierce because the C's had a particularly poor year, yet 90% of those who have negative comments for Pierce, put TMac on a pedestal. Regardless, this trade isn't going to happen according to Celtic sources and was little more than one of a few dozen inquiries made by Chicago to try and move Chandler by packaging him with the pick. They're pithcing it to everyone and even Chad Ford said yesterday that in the few hours before he talked with me on the phone that he had heard 10 different trade rumors involving Chicago and that pick. All included Chandler, who they are vehemently shopping to anyone who'll listen. The C's will draft Swift with thier first pick. Take that to the bank. After that, all bets are off.</div> great post. Look in the rumor mill for some of the possible Bull trades. The Bulls are shoppinig anyone on that team.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting olskoolFunktitude:</div><div class="quote_post">i used to think pierce was a franchise player but now I dont think so. A franchise player is someone good enough to be the best player on a championship caliber team. the only franchise player in the league right now who isnt a big man is jason kidd and maybe tracy mcgrady. If chandler could put up a better field goal percentage with more rebounds than pierce as one of a handful of good players on the celtics than maybe they would be better off taking him especially if they could end up with a star from the draft. but who knows. either way the celtics are far far away from being a serious contender so it doesnt really mattter</div> Did I miss the year T-Mac was the best player on a championship-caliber team? And then in a later post it's "the best player on a championship team." So, Kidd couldn't possibly be a franchise player, right?
just coz they havent won championships yet doesnt mean they arent good enough. you've seen the numbers mcgrady has put up. he's carried his team for years. if he was on a team with GOOD to great players around him and found the right balance of scoring and getting he's teamates involved i think he could do it. hes a franchise player. and kidd should be pretty obvious. he makes average players around him exponentially better. he led a team of pretenders to the finals TWICE! if he went to a team that was already respectable before he got there he could defnetly take them all the way
