Ok, I know it's the year 2004 and younger kids are now blossoming at a more younger age than back when Shawn Kemp was a rookie but it's seems like it's starting to get way out of hand. All these HS'ers are seeing is dollars signs and they want as much bling as the rest. I know they could be risking injury by going to college for a few years but still I think they are better off. For the foreigners I can't complain because it brings more fans to the game and it makes the league more diverse. I'm just starting to think that these guys from overseas should stay over there till they are fully developed or just even close to their potential. Well anyway I'd like to know what you guys think.
Well for a lot of them you can't really blame them being in the situations that they're in. But however some of them will already be good and like most players have plenty of potential. Therefore there's always the chance of raising excitement standards, I mean, I don't mind having Amare and LeBron now, do you? As for this current draft, what's done is done, if you're good you'll probably get drafted, that simple.
I hear alot of people complaining about the HS kids in the darft. I got questions for you guys if you were a HS player who had the talent to be drafted in the top 20 (not top 10) and you had few teams tell you that thet were going to take you would you really skip the draft and go to college? If so why? I know I would have a hard time passing up a first round guaranteed contract.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting DarkCloud:</div><div class="quote_post">I hear alot of people complaining about the HS kids in the darft. I got questions for you guys if you were a HS player who had the talent to be drafted in the top 20 (not top 10) and you had few teams tell you that thet were going to take you would you really skip the draft and go to college? If so why? I know I would have a hard time passing up a first round guaranteed contract.</div> No one is complaining, it's just a problem. Well, of course, why would these young HS guys just graduating ever want to pass up instant millions?? Personally, I can't imagine vere passing it up. About the foreigners, I don't really know, I don't think they should just be flocking over here, especially if the aren't very good. But the NBA is obviously the best league in the world to be in, so I don't blame them either.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting DarkCloud:</div><div class="quote_post">I hear alot of people complaining about the HS kids in the darft. I got questions for you guys if you were a HS player who had the talent to be drafted in the top 20 (not top 10) and you had few teams tell you that thet were going to take you would you really skip the draft and go to college? If so why? I know I would have a hard time passing up a first round guaranteed contract.</div> But the thing is, some HS'ers doesn't have the talent. What they have is potential or upside. If you're a 7 footer who'll be "good in 3-5 years time", why not spend those 3 years and develop in college instead of rotting in the NBA bench. By the time you realize that you're not NBA ready, it will be too late for you. It's just a matter of asking yourself if you're ready or not. If you honestly feel that you're the next Lebron James, then go ahead. But if you're just a 7 footer who couldn't even rebound or a swingman who doesn't have a jumpshot or the passing skills, then go to college to gauge your talent. You really can't gauge your skills in HS. It will show flashes of it but the competitiveness is far from NBA standards. The closest thing would be college. If you feel that you've already developed into an NBA player after a year or two in college, then make the jump. If you still couldn't cut it in the NBA after graduating in college, then at least you have a degree. To clarify, I'm not totally against HS guys making the jump to the NBA. If you badly need the money, then go ahead. If you (not an agent) know you have what it takes to be in the NBA, then make the jump. But if your game needs some fine tuning and you can afford to go to college, then a year or two will do wonders. It's a wild world in the NBA and some HSers just can't survive it.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting InNETSweTrust:</div><div class="quote_post">But the thing is, some HS'ers doesn't have the talent. What they have is potential or upside. If you're a 7 footer who'll be "good in 3-5 years time", why not spend those 3 years and develop in college instead of rotting in the NBA bench.</div> I agree with everything you said, but it's the money that people come to the NBA for. Although you will probably develop faster and maybe get picked higher and get paid more, if you had the security of knowing you'll be drafted early with the money being there, I just can't see them turning it down. They would be rotting on the bench like you said, but getting paid millions to sit. They can still improve by all the training camps and practices they run, and I think that's much more luring than playing with college guys and not being paid. Hey, if I were a star HS player, I know I'd definitely take the draft if I was a guaranteed 1st rounder, even if I wasn't NBA-ready yet.
I think some players make the good decisions by going straight to the NBA. Such as Lebron, Amare, KG, Dwight Howard, Shaun Livingston, Kobe. But players this year such as Sebastian Telfair who could have benefited from atleast a year at Louisville. And Dorrel Wright because Depaul is looking up. Also Josh Smith doesn't have the determination to win, and coulda learned quick at a big time school. And J.R Smith could have learned alot from Roy Williams at UNC. But then again there are sad stories, such as Lenny Cooke and Ronnie Fields. Lenny Cooke skipped college because of academic problems, he looked like Grant Hill but what is he doing now. He's in the NBDL. Ronnie Fields, looked like a better playing Eddie Minor, but never amounted to anything and now is trying to get chances on summer league teams.
My opinion, got to college, even for a minimum of 2 years. You will benefit from it. I'm sure that if you are predicted to be picked inthe top 20 in the NBa draft then you can get into a good school and learn a lot from a good coach. Telfair could have learned a lot from Pitino such as how to play with his size. Josh Smith could have went to Indiana to learn more on how to use his left hand more since he's such a freakish athlete. So many kids could benefit from college but the money in the pro's is so tempting. I have mixed thoughts on the issue of jumping to the pro's or going to college. And Mavs, you realize though, only a few HS players have jumped straight from Hs to the pros and have made an immediate impact. LeBron and AMare did it in their first year but everyone else took a year or 2. If it's going to take you a year or 2 why not go to college develop your game more, learn how to be an even more effective player, then go to the pro's. I mean if you go to college you can even go from a top 20 pick to a top 5 pick. A lot of HS players don't want to risk an injury. All they go to the pro's for is money. I think an age limit needs to be set. So many kids have potential but they need to go to college and develop their game. And the foreign players are so hard to predict. I mean you have 7'5" players entering and other players with so many different charcteristics but we don't see them play much so we don't know how they'd perform on a professional level. I think I'm more against HS players entering the pro's than foreign players entering.
I'm going to be in the minority on this opinion, but IMO, you go to college for at least the time it takes you to get an associates degree. Education is fundamental. Yes, that saying seems tired and played out to some youth, but it's fact. Yeah, millions are nice, but if you don't have an education, then you have to pay someone to manage it for you, read and interpret your contract clauses/offers, etc. If you're out of the league in 3 years, you've amassed probably around 5 mill total, of which you've already spent 15% on your agent and god knows how much on cars, houses, parties, "the posse" and other, generally big ticket items. If you're out by your 3rd year, what will become of you if you have no education? Don't you leave yourself open to be decieved, manipulated, and stolen from by others? There are players who go back to finish thier education and that's admirable. However, for every 1 of those who take that step, there are hundreds who don't. Some kind of vocational fall back plan needs to be thought out before making this decision to give up the opportunity that most of these players get to have a free education, often at schools they probably wouldn't even get into if they weren't good at sports. That is the golden ring that people need to see and go for. WIthout a plan for "life after basketball" the quick money they got for "potential" will soon likely disappear, with not much to show for it and no real tangible means of supporting themselves.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Phreeze:</div><div class="quote_post">I agree with everything you said, but it's the money that people come to the NBA for. Although you will probably develop faster and maybe get picked higher and get paid more, if you had the security of knowing you'll be drafted early with the money being there, I just can't see them turning it down. They would be rotting on the bench like you said, but getting paid millions to sit. They can still improve by all the training camps and practices they run, and I think that's much more luring than playing with college guys and not being paid. Hey, if I were a star HS player, I know I'd definitely take the draft if I was a guaranteed 1st rounder, even if I wasn't NBA-ready yet.</div> After making those money, then what? Will you get an extension if you didn't develop your potential? You'll be stuck with that potential alone. Somebody already gave you a chance and you didn't get to deliver. I doubt if someone else will give you another one after 3-5 years of nothing. Oh and you don't have a degree. But you said something about money. I agree with that. As I've said in the same post, some of them go straight to the NBA coz they badly need the money. I don't have any problems with that. But if you can live for 1-3 years with no millions that the NBA is going to give, why not go to college. Then develop that midrange J instead of just being that 6'6 guy who can jump out of the building? Or develop that back to the basket plays instead of just being a 7 footer who can play play 3-4 spots? Or develop the PG mentality instead of just being a PG with sick handles? Then you'll reap the benefits by knowing your strengths and weaknesses, possibly placing higher in the draft, getting the experience so the team will give you a chance to really play and get a long term NBA career.
Hey, Main I never said that all HS players make an immediate impact and, I clearly said that very few do. And I also talked about the players off the top of my head who could have improved from college.
I too, think that some of these highs cohol players coming out aren't jsut ready for the NBA yet.. but put yourself in their shoes... would you rather go to college or make potential millions, even though it'll take you maybe 3-4 years to really show your stuff.. even if you might just end up being a wash out. I know I wouldn't pass up the chance to make millions...that's just the way it is, and I can guarantee if some of you guys were put in the same position, you won't be so hastily to say "I'm going to college and am willing to put off making millions," this is one of those things that are easily said than done, its easy for 3rd partys to chime in.
HS players should play at least a couple seasons in College. The College level of basketball is exciting and they could learn alot in those couple years. As for the Foreigners, I think its great to see more talent come and play in the worlds greatest basketball league. Im glad the Lakers picked up Sasha. He is gonna do some damage this year.
I don't see the problem. If the college player is better, chose him or lose him. If not, hope for the next amare stoudamire, lebron. Or prospect like tmac kg & kobe.
You can't really blame anybody, it's their choice, to possible go to college and be a lottery pick or to enter from high school and be a mid to late first roung pick...They are only hurting themselves. But I am all for great high school players that can be a top 5 pick (Dwight Howard, Shuan Livingston)...Sooner or later the high schoolers will realize that they should go to college, and try to get better
hey, It's there decision, and if they want to take the risk of not making it big instea of going to college to get an education that's there decision.But skipping college has ruined players like ROnnie Fields, and Lenny Cooke. But the only person they can blame is themselves.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting hagrid:</div><div class="quote_post">I'm going to be in the minority on this opinion, but IMO, you go to college for at least the time it takes you to get an associates degree. Education is fundamental. Yes, that saying seems tired and played out to some youth, but it's fact. Yeah, millions are nice, but if you don't have an education, then you have to pay someone to manage it for you, read and interpret your contract clauses/offers, etc. If you're out of the league in 3 years, you've amassed probably around 5 mill total, of which you've already spent 15% on your agent and god knows how much on cars, houses, parties, "the posse" and other, generally big ticket items. If you're out by your 3rd year, what will become of you if you have no education? Don't you leave yourself open to be decieved, manipulated, and stolen from by others? There are players who go back to finish thier education and that's admirable. However, for every 1 of those who take that step, there are hundreds who don't. Some kind of vocational fall back plan needs to be thought out before making this decision to give up the opportunity that most of these players get to have a free education, often at schools they probably wouldn't even get into if they weren't good at sports. That is the golden ring that people need to see and go for. WIthout a plan for "life after basketball" the quick money they got for "potential" will soon likely disappear, with not much to show for it and no real tangible means of supporting themselves.</div> ^ This man has it. They should go to college and get a degree in case the NBA doesn't work out for them.
^ Yea but they should have the freedom to not feel obligated to attend college, and like in KG's case he didnt have the grades to attend college so it was a no brainer for him.
Well with the some of the best players in the NBA being players coming right out of High School and same with the foreign people... So that means more from both section will do it but it's totally their decision.
