Who's the MVP

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  1. Eagles4Life

    Eagles4Life He Hate Me

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    To me, the MVP race is down to 3 players. Sorry Culpepper, but losing to the Bears while fighting for the playoffs, is enough for me to eliminate you. No excuse, none.


    McNabb
    CMP ATT YDS CMP% YPA LNG TD INT SACK RAT ATT YDS AVG LNG TD
    256 393 3356 65.1 8.54 65 28 5 28 110.4 35 183 5.2 28 3

    Manning
    CMP ATT YDS CMP% YPA LNG TD INT SACK RAT ATT YDS AVG LNG TD
    262 385 3621 68.1 9.41 80 44 9 7 126.3 20 44 2.2 19 0

    Brady
    CMP ATT YDS CMP% YPA LNG TD INT SACK RAT ATT YDS AVG LNG TD
    209 357 2771 58.5 7.76 50 19 9 21 90.4 31 22 0.7 10 0


    It's a tough choice this year. By numbers alone you have to go with Manning, however his team is 9-3. McNabb and Brady also have good numbers, and their teams are 11-1. This is gonna be a tough decision.
     
  2. JustBry07

    JustBry07 The Underdog

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    That is tough, but numbers arent everything so I'm going with McNabb. He may not be right up there next to Manning with numbers but he's close enough, and I like him better as a QB he's got more to offer as a QB then Manning, so what if Manning can throw a million TD passes in one game, McNabb threw 5 in the game against GB. McNabb can also do some running when its needed to get himself out of trouble, Manning cant. So for overall not based on numbers I'm saying McNabb.
     
  3. Pack Attack

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    What about Brees or Roethlisberger or Leftwich?

    Despite Manning's numbers, it's hard to give the nod to a guy who's working with the NFL's leading rusher along with Harrison, Wayne, Stokley, Pollard and Clark. You could plug any QB into the Indy system and they'd be putting up huge numbers.

    Brady is good, but Corey Dillion is having a career year. Last year would have been a good year to give Brady the MVP award.

    McNabb is playing great, but then again, T.O. is the NFL's best and leading receiver.

    If I had to choose between these three, I'd probably pick McNabb. But I think the MVP award should be given to someone who has very little help getting things done. Last year would have been a good year to give it to McNabb, too.
     
  4. Bearsfan1

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    I am glad you guys dont actually get a vote for MVP. Manning will win the award, unanimously, as he deserves too.
     
  5. Steelerfan_2005

    Steelerfan_2005 The Peacekeeper XL

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    Under what criteria BF1? I'm just curious by definition what "deserves" means to you.
     
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    Bearsfan1 2 Time Defending FF Champion

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    Based on the criteria the name of the award implies.
     
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    Manning will win, although I think Brees even beats out McNabb. Brees has been amazing without much added talent. The case can be made that McNabb has quite a bit of extra talent to work with.

    Leftwich is up there, but I still don't see him making it.

    Culpepper doesn't enter the race after the Bears loss. He will end up with good numbers still, but at 7-5 I don't see him making a good run when going up against the others.
     
  8. Eagles4Life

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (vikingfan)</div><div class='quotemain'>Manning will win, although I think Brees even beats out McNabb. Brees has been amazing without much added talent. The case can be made that McNabb has quite a bit of extra talent to work with.

    Leftwich is up there, but I still don't see him making it.

    Culpepper doesn't enter the race after the Bears loss. He will end up with good numbers still, but at 7-5 I don't see him making a good run when going up against the others.</div>

    Ever heard of a little guy named Ladanian Tomlinson?? Antonio Gates and McCardell are no slouches either. Brees will not get it, cause of name recognition, and that does not make it right. Kind of like McNabb in 2000, when he finished 2nd in voting.
     
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    If not for Peyton then Drew Brees.
     
  10. Bearsfan1

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    Brady deserves more consideration than Mcnabb or Brees. Mcnabb and Brees arent even most valuable player on thier team. TO and LT are.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Eagles4Life)</div><div class='quotemain'>Kind of like McNabb in 2000, when he finished 2nd in voting.</div>

    Faulk won award that year, had 26 Tds(more than Mcnabb) had 2200 yards only 1100 less than Mcnabb, and averaged more per touch than Mcnabb averaged per attempt.
     
  12. Pack Attack

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    I try to look at the MVP award as the one person their respective team can't live without. I know it ends up being more based on stats than anything, but I don't think it should be.

    For example... You could make a huge case for Mike Vick as MVP this year. His numbers have been crap, but without him, Atlanta would be 3-9 right now, not 9-3.
     
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    By that standard Manning wins award.
     
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    You think the Falcons would win more games without Vick than the Colts would without Manning?
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pack Attack)</div><div class='quotemain'>You think the Falcons would win more games without Vick than the Colts would without Manning?</div>

    Without a doubt, the falcons have a chance just cuz of defense. Colts have bad defense, adn since thye would have to completely change offense without manning, it would be a disaster.
     
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    Put a decent passer in the offense in Altanta and they are as good or better than they are now....take someone like Trent Green or Drew Brees and insert them in that offense with those weapons and will torch you....further, put Manning in that offense with that defense and hes 11-1 or 12-0 right now....
     
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    If we go by "can't win without player x," then maybe Ricky Williams should be the MVP?
     
  18. ranman

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    Peyton Manning will win it easly. As for Drew Brees he'll probably win the Comeback player of the year. Big Ben will win the offensive rookie of the year.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BearsFan1)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Eagles4Life)</div><div class='quotemain'> Kind of like McNabb in 2000, when he finished 2nd in voting.</div>

    Faulk won award that year, had 26 Tds(more than Mcnabb) had 2200 yards only 1100 less than Mcnabb, and averaged more per touch than Mcnabb averaged per attempt.</div>

    McNabb took a team to the playoffs with Darnell Autry and as his starting RB, and Torrance Small, Charles Johnson and Na Brown as his WR's. He was the Offense for that team. None of those guys even played after that year.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pack Attack)</div><div class='quotemain'>I try to look at the MVP award as the one person their respective team can't live without. I know it ends up being more based on stats than anything, but I don't think it should be.

    For example... You could make a huge case for Mike Vick as MVP this year. His numbers have been crap, but without him, Atlanta would be 3-9 right now, not 9-3.</div>

    I think last year when McNabb went down in the NFC championship game, it showed how huge he is for this team. McNabb is the heart and soul of this team. Ask any player on the EAgles, they all say the same thing it's No 5's team. To quote freddie last year, who needs fate when you have five. It's a shame, that he got hurt in that game.
     

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