<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BearsFan1)</div><div class='quotemain'>Man you want it both ways, I knock westbrook, no he is great, I knock Pinkston/#3 reciever, no they are good, I knock Mcnabb, he is better cuz he has no talent around him. Make up your mind, I will conceed that Mcnabb is doing more with less if you conceed TO, Westbrook, Pinkston, and that other reciever, LJ, and Chad all SUCK worse than any other players in the league.</div> I will concede that TO/Pinkston/Mitchell is not as good as a trio of Harrison/Wayne/Stokley and that Westbrook is not as good as Edgerring James, atleast not yet. LJ/Chad as evenlly matched with Clark and Pollard. Colts O-line is better then ours is, especially with all the injuries that we have now. Since we dont spend as much money on our offense as the Colts do. That's why their defense sucks, all their money is in the offense. When Manning wants a 35Mil signing bonus, he then cant bitch about their defense sucking, when he sucks the money up like a hoover. McNabb also has an added mobility factor that Manning lacks, when all breaks down McNabb can run for 30/40/50 yards, where Manning would have to either throw the ball away or run for 3 yards.
Since you are unwilling to make the necessary consession, I will not conceed Mcnabb does more with less. They both have talent, Manning does more, Manning is better. BTW i would take manning 7 sacks over Mcnabbs 28 and mobility any day.
I would also take McNabb?s 5 Int?s versus Mannings 9 anyday. About sacks, like I said Manning has a better offensive line. For crying out loud, a guy that the Colts cut before the season started is now starting for us cause of injuries.
Dont know that anyline is 4 times as talented, those sacks are at least partially Mcnabbs fault BTW i would take mannings 44 TDs over Mcnabbs 28.
Peyton Manning is having a record setting year. He deserves it just because of that. Most valuble player pertaining to most important to his teams success that would be Mcnabb
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Eagles4Life)</div><div class='quotemain'>Colts have 3 reciever projected to have 1000 yards, and a 1000 yard rusher. Eagles only have 1 reciever, and no rushers.</div> You can take something like this and use it for either side of the argument. For example, Manning is spreading it around. Manning can't put up gaudy stats because he's actually got a guy running up a lot of yards. I understand your point, but you can use stats any way you want. BTW, how about Chad Hutchinson? He is undefeated, averaging 3 TDs a game and has yet to throw an INT.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BrianWestbrook)</div><div class='quotemain'>I'll take McNabb's 11-1 over Peyton's 9-3.</div> 1) Eagles are in weaker conference. 2) Eagles D is #3 scoring D 3) Sum of these two things = Eagles as team have better record, doesnt mean Mcnabb is 11-1 and peyton is 9-3. You cannot individually credit him with all 11 wins, unless you want to concede every player on team is the worst in league at thier posistion, then i will give it to you. Just by fact Indy wins on offense alone, Manning is more responsible for his teams victories than Mcnabb is for his team, considering Manning has 3 games where he threw multiple TDs and his team lost, and Mcnabb has 3 games where he threw 1 or less TDs and his team won.
I voted for Peyton Manning. What he's doing this season is just incredible. Remember, before 1984 the record was 36 passing tds. Since then, 40 has only been broken 4 times. Twice by Marino, once by Kurt Warner and this year by Peyton. Manning has been a monster this year and deserves the award. I just don't believe that you could insert just any QB into that offense and have the success that he's having. Peyton has just worked that hard. By the way, it appears that only Culpepper and McNabb have a chance to pass the old mark of 36 this season.
Like i was saying mcnabb has never had the weapons to throw to. Once he gets a stud wideout look at his numbers. Mcnabb career qb rating is very poor. This year it is tops. I realize manning is close to breaking marinos passing td record. But right on his tail is mcnabb with 31 tds. Eagles are a 10-1 team with a defense, sometimes the defense scores for them. Indy has no defense at all so of course they need to score 40 a game to win. One other thing manning likes to throw first and goal for td passes. Most teams run the ball for scores. Philly has used eithier dorsey levens or westbrook when in the redzone. So in hindsite if reid and mcnabb wanted, philly could easly can the rb in the redzone and just go to strictly throwing like manning. Then the stats may be a little closer. Bottom line is mcnabb out be considered for the mvp his team is 10-1 his numbers are a flip flop of last year or years past. Despite philly record vs the afc or the nfc vs the afc, has nothing to do with being an mvp. Imo i think mcnabb deserves the mvp. Philly is lock to get in playoffs. Indy is still in a battle arent they?
I cant believe how many people are voting for Mcnabb. If you are going to go with a guy for being a winner and putting up good numbers, I would think you would go with brady.
Well like I said BF, there is a case to pick McNabb. I think the voting will look like what it is now, with a few votes for TO depending on how they finish the season.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bucs40etrain)</div><div class='quotemain'>I realize manning is close to breaking marinos passing td record. But right on his tail is mcnabb with 31 tds.</div> Ummm...he actually has 28. The person behind Manning is Culpepper.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (vikingfan)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bucs40etrain)</div><div class='quotemain'>I realize manning is close to breaking marinos passing td record. But right on his tail is mcnabb with 31 tds.</div> Ummm...he actually has 28. The person behind Manning is Culpepper.</div> So all it would take Mcnabb is to throw 4 a game for the rest of the season, and manning to throw none for him to Tie manning.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (vikingfan)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bucs40etrain)</div><div class='quotemain'>I realize manning is close to breaking marinos passing td record. But right on his tail is mcnabb with 31 tds.</div> Ummm...he actually has 28. The person behind Manning is Culpepper.</div> McNabb also has 3 rushing TD's and Manning has none. That's why it's 31 I bet Here's the main reason why I would not vote for Manning. Let me take you back to the first game of the season, on a thursday night. It was Colts-Patriots, rematch of last years AFC championship game. As weird as it sounds, it was a MUST WIN for the Colts, cause they needed a bye in the playoffs. Manning in that game threw an INT in the redzone, and on the last play of the game he got sacked, taking the team out of the fieldgoal range, basically costing them the game. Now, I know Edge also fumbled the ball twice, but as far as MVP goes, you cannot lose that game for your team. If they had won that game, they would be 10-2 tied with the Pats now. And they would have the tie breaker to get the bye. That is why I would not vote for Manning, in big games he chokes it away. And with all due respect, that was a little bit bigger then the Eagles losing to the Steelers.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Eagles4Life)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (vikingfan)</div><div class='quotemain'>Ummm...he actually has 28. The person behind Manning is Culpepper.</div> McNabb also has 3 rushing TD's and Manning has none. That's why it's 31 I bet</div> If that's the case, then Culpepper is still the next in line behind Manning with 32 total TD's. If Manning continues on the pace he is right now, I don't care if he blew the first game of the season. He will be the MVP, hands down. If you just ask yourself who is making the most impact in the league right now, it is Manning, without a doubt.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Eagles4Life)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (vikingfan)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bucs40etrain)</div><div class='quotemain'>I realize manning is close to breaking marinos passing td record. But right on his tail is mcnabb with 31 tds.</div> Ummm...he actually has 28. The person behind Manning is Culpepper.</div> McNabb also has 3 rushing TD's and Manning has none. That's why it's 31 I bet Here's the main reason why I would not vote for Manning. Let me take you back to the first game of the season, on a thursday night. It was Colts-Patriots, rematch of last years AFC championship game. As weird as it sounds, it was a MUST WIN for the Colts, cause they needed a bye in the playoffs. Manning in that game threw an INT in the redzone, and on the last play of the game he got sacked, taking the team out of the fieldgoal range, basically costing them the game. Now, I know Edge also fumbled the ball twice, but as far as MVP goes, you cannot lose that game for your team. If they had won that game, they would be 10-2 tied with the Pats now. And they would have the tie breaker to get the bye. That is why I would not vote for Manning, in big games he chokes it away. And with all due respect, that was a little bit bigger then the Eagles losing to the Steelers.</div> So you are saying that if they win in playoffs without a bye then that will eliminate the importance of that mistake, basically you are holding him to a higher standard than mcnabb, he has to win super bowl, Mcnabb has to lose NFC title game.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BearsFan1)</div><div class='quotemain'> So you are saying that if they win in playoffs without a bye then that will eliminate the importance of that mistake, basically you are holding him to a higher standard than mcnabb, he has to win super bowl, Mcnabb has to lose NFC title game.</div> I have no idea what the hell you are talking about. MVP is about the regular season, McNabb has gotten the Eagles the Homefield advantage 2 times in the past, and got them to the NFC game 3 times, once without the bye. I am saying, MVP's win BIG games, and a big game was the rematch with the Patriots. Who cares if you can throw 19 TD's against the NFC West, it's your performance against the AFC that counts. Those lossed eagles had in the NFC championship games, were hardly McNabb's fault. The last two he was injured, and the first one they almost won in St Louis. The fact that he even gets there, is pretty damn impressive. Manning in 6 years, has only won 2 playoff games, McNabb in 5 years has won 5. How about them apples.
