Will The Kings Take Over As the Best In the Pacific Conf???

assuming the Lakers keep bryant and loose o'neal, the lakers will still be no pushover. will they be the same team? in my opinion no. they will never regain what they had and it will probably be a long dry spell of championships in LA. A lot of people are fully expecting Bryant to be able to carry the team on his shoulders and win it all. i am one of the few that thinks he is not up to it and will fold regardless of where Bryant winds up.

what does that mean for the kings? two ideas:
1) they obtain the services of O'neal (yes. unlikly, but possible). they will make it to the WCF. and my .02 is they will match up against the Spurs in the WCF. what happens there? no idea... depends on how hungry they are when they get there.

2) no Shaq team stays the same... 55 win season bowing out in either the second round or WCF of the playoffs.

one modifier, Petrie is known for pulling off big trades/signings and not revealing it till the last minute... should he pull a solid (and i mean SOLID) defensive person out of his neither regions, the first scenario would be the same thing.... because really what the kings are missing is defense... pure and simple....

 

The Dream of A Championship For The Kings Begins

 

Hmm, I sure hope they can at least dominate the Pacific next year, with the Lakers losing players and all.
But as for the Western conference and even a championship...The Wolves will give yu a rematch if you want.

 

it kind of depends on what happens with the lakers and if the kings make any big moves.
as for the rematch.... we'll take it. dont be sore when the wolves loose tho k?

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting KG-MVP:</div><div class="quote_post">Hmm, I sure hope they can at least dominate the Pacific next year, with the Lakers losing players and all.
But as for the Western conference and even a championship...The Wolves will give yu a rematch if you want.</div>

Yeah i want a rematch,so we can put the T-Wolves in their place LOL

 

OK:

Has anyone's stance changed about the Kings taking over the Pacfic Conf??

Curious Kings fan's like myself are pondering this??

 

I think that if the Kings find a way to get Peja along with this concept of it all being Webber's team (and a healthy team) that the Kings will win the Pacific because they are simply the strongest team in the division. I don't think that the Lakers will be anywhere close and that they will finish behind the Suns and possibly even behind the Warriors. The Kings are going to run away with the division hands down.

 

hmm i would be worrying about the phoenix suns and the los angeles lakers i think it will be from one of those 3 but mostly from either the lakers or kings.

 

well, now I have to revamp everything that I said up there after the moves that have been made.

They can still take the pacific and I think the Lakers are the least of their worries. Now they are going to have to look out for the Suns, but no one else in the Pacific Division has really made any drastic headway and the Lakers have taken a large step backwards.

I dont really think that Stojakovic is going anywhere, but Webber is going to have to really work it to get Stojakovic to buy into playing with any real passion this year and he is going to have to step up in the post season if they want to get to the WCF.

Ultimatly, I still think they are a 50+wins team but there are a few things that could cause some major headaches for them this year. I hope that they can get those ironed out. If they do, and Webber plays up to the level he has publicly set for himself and works things out with Stojakovic, and Stojakovic gets himself into the post season like he should be, they will make the WCF If not, They still have a good chance at taking the Pacific division but they arent going to do well in the post season

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting sactomofo:</div><div class="quote_post">I don't think that the Lakers will be anywhere close and that they will finish behind the Suns and possibly even behind the Warriors. The Kings are going to run away with the division hands down.</div>

You are living in reality right?

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Emo:</div><div class="quote_post">You are living in reality right? </div> the real question is .... are you?

I know that as a Lakers fan you are as blind as a mole regarding how bad the changes in the lakers camp this off season were...but you cant seriously think that they are going to be able to play at the same level as the past 3 years do you? (on second thought, its Emo, of course he can )

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting harbingerofdoom:</div><div class="quote_post">the real question is .... are you?

I know that as a Lakers fan you are as blind as a mole regarding how bad the changes in the lakers camp this off season were...but you cant seriously think that they are going to be able to play at the same level as the past 3 years do you? (on second thought, its Emo, of course he can )</div>

Ah Harbingerofdoom,i hope you didn't create WW3 with your shout out to Emo there

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting MR_SAC_KING:</div><div class="quote_post">Ah Harbingerofdoom,i hope you didn't create WW3 with your shout out to Emo there </div>
he can take it. he is a big boy

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting harbingerofdoom:</div><div class="quote_post">he can take it. he is a big boy </div>

Looking fwd to WW3.it oughtta be a good one to watch

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting harbingerofdoom:</div><div class="quote_post">the real question is .... are you?

I know that as a Lakers fan you are as blind as a mole regarding how bad the changes in the lakers camp this off season were...but you cant seriously think that they are going to be able to play at the same level as the past 3 years do you? (on second thought, its Emo, of course he can )</div>

Let me correct your "brilliant" sense of vocabulary by suggesting you don't know whether or not I was some blind Laker fan regarding whether or not our offseaosn was good or bad. Before you come out with absurd accusations like that, why don't you take time and go into the Laker forum and read what my posts before you even attempt to come out with ridiculous criticism? In fact, why don't you take a look at it for yourself and maybe you'd think differently:

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Emo:</div><div class="quote_post">Fellas,

I know as Laker fans we can hope and dream about title #15 arriving in Los Angeles for the fourth time in six years, but let's face it here, we're not celebrating a championship next season. Sure, even if we get a realistic shot at landing Jason Kidd, we arguably have the best backcourt in the game, but the main problem we have is the center position and our bench as always. Shaq was the dominant force at the center position, and if you take 360 pounds away from powerful dominance, agility, and strength, how can you still be an intimidating team that can't be reckoned with? Chris Mihm was a guy we were looking at, and he can be a solid contributor off the bench, and there's no way Vlade Divac can replace the giant we once had. Plus, is he even dedicated to LA? Heck, he even pointed out that the Kings will always be his first love.

We improved big time at the forward positions where we brought in Lamar Odom and Caron Butler, where we can finally have some balanced scoring instead of our other guys looking like spectators and watching Kobe do all the dirty work. I think 'Chak did a good job in those areas, but our bench is still one big question mark. Luke Walton and Brian Cook are second year players now, but I really feel they still have a lot of developing to do in a ton of areas. Who knows if Devean George can be an aggressive player rather than losing his confidence? And would Sasha develop into an excellent sixth man type player, or would he need a serious mentor to help him out at all costs? That we lost out on in trading away Payton and letting Fisher slide to Oakland.

My point being is that we shouldn't dream about something that isn't going to happen this year. Give this organization at least two more years to get this franchise back on it's own feet, and our Lakers will rise to prominence again.

Sixth seed guys. Nothin' but six. But if anything amazing happens in the playoffs, It'll be spectacular.</div>

That's all I'm asking. Just read posts and don't make yourself look stupid.

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting harbingerofdoom:</div><div class="quote_post">but you cant seriously think that they are going to be able to play at the same level as the past 3 years do you?</div>

Of course they're not going to be the same intimidating franchise they once were in our championship seasons that's obvious, but I know for a fact they won't be as lousy as the Golden State Warriors. Everything besides the point, our center position, and our bench, we have improved on. With the trio of Bryant, Odom, and Butler, these are scorers at best that not only can create for one another, they can all make their teammates better. Now we no longer have Shaq and Kobe doing all the dirty work, we have better players that can score on a consistent basis.

 

I Think the answer here is that Laker fans and Kings fan's beg to differ.

Now it's ovbious that Kings fan's are going to say the Kings are # 1,And Laker fans are going to think there going to be #1.

I Liked the fact that we can have actual good discussion here on the board,even though <font color="Yellow">Laker</font> fans & <font color="Purple">Kings</font>fans want to fight each other here LOL

 

Uh oh...my turn The Kings got used to Shaq, especially Divac and Brad Miller...and they found the key to stopping him: fouls...working both ways. They would foul him, and make him take free throws (which I hated so much), and they would also take charges and elbows from him. Divac was the best at doing this, haha. However, now the problem will be adjusting to an offense that runs completely through the SG/SF (Kobe/Odom), and if you think about it, Peja's defense is pretty bad (he's the same height as Odom, yet he can't block a shot, and he won't be able to stop Odom for sure). Christie has good defense, but I doubt he'll be able to stop Kobe, now that this team is lifted onto his shoulders. Include Malone in this mix, and the Lakers will be smiling once more. Malone held Shaq to under 10 points in a few Laker scrimmages last year, one of the few guys that can stop Shaq (yet he didn't score much himself).

My only concern lies with Mike Bibby. He will simply destroy Atkins...I'm just hoping that Vujacic comes out and shocks us all, and also hoping for a Jason Kidd trade...so by December (or whenever he's healthy), he can contribute to our team. Kings fans, I'm not saying you're going to lose the division or anything...but there are reasons to worry about the Lakers even without Shaq. Either way, they'll have some great games ahead of them.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting realdealbneal:</div><div class="quote_post">Either way, they'll have some great games ahead of them.</div>

I'm looking fwd to the Kings-vs-Lakers games this season too.Hopefully the better team will win...the Kings :mrgreen:

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting realdealbneal:</div><div class="quote_post">Uh oh...my turn The Kings got used to Shaq, especially Divac and Brad Miller...and they found the key to stopping him: fouls...working both ways. They would foul him, and make him take free throws (which I hated so much), and they would also take charges and elbows from him. Divac was the best at doing this, haha. However, now the problem will be adjusting to an offense that runs completely through the SG/SF (Kobe/Odom), and if you think about it, Peja's defense is pretty bad (he's the same height as Odom, yet he can't block a shot, and he won't be able to stop Odom for sure). Christie has good defense, but I doubt he'll be able to stop Kobe, now that this team is lifted onto his shoulders. Include Malone in this mix, and the Lakers will be smiling once more. Malone held Shaq to under 10 points in a few Laker scrimmages last year, one of the few guys that can stop Shaq (yet he didn't score much himself).

My only concern lies with Mike Bibby. He will simply destroy Atkins...I'm just hoping that Vujacic comes out and shocks us all, and also hoping for a Jason Kidd trade...so by December (or whenever he's healthy), he can contribute to our team. Kings fans, I'm not saying you're going to lose the division or anything...but there are reasons to worry about the Lakers even without Shaq. Either way, they'll have some great games ahead of them.</div> uhoh... my response.... lol

Peja's defense, well yeah.. its not stellar. but he doesnt really suck at it either.. he is just.... well.. marginal I guess would be a good way to put it. He is really spotty on defense & somtimes he is better than others. But either way, Im not really worried about it. And by the way... ask the Mavs about Stojakovics defense... they had the same idea as you... but it didnt turn out as they had hoped...

Christie plays good defense. while he cant shut Bryant down (really, you have to double & with some teams triple him generally to really shut him down) he can force Bryant into bad shot selections and he can force turnovers. really the only liability that exists with christie is on offense. add to the fact that you got young legs on the team in martin who has already been drawing comparisons to Christie's defense with better offense. Is Martin the key to anything this year? no way... but he looks good & if he progresses in the manner to which the Kings believe he will, imagine having the defense of Christie with the offense of Bibby in one player.... hope that he can become what he has the potential to be... but I digress.....

And speaking of Bibby....
You are right...Bibby is going to tear it up against the Lakers in the upcoming season (and he pretty much always has). as far as puttin any hopes on Kidd... keep in mind.. Bibby totally outplayed Stockton a couple years in a row.. not just a few games... but for a couple years.... Nothing against Stockton because he was truly a great gaurd, but age is going to take its toll eventually, and I see that happening with Kidd as it already has with Divac... he will still be better than most.. but the truly good gaurds that are younger are going to start either keeping him in check or flat outplaying him and very soon... I hope (for Kidds sake) Im wrong on that because I love watching Kidd play.. but I dont think I am.

I have to agree to an extent on Malone, but with this one caviat: two power forwards on bad knees makes for a "who knows who will win" matchup. Malones bad knee vs Webbers bad knee... that one will go to whoever comes back better.

As far as getting used to O'neal.. no one "gets used" to him... they just get blasted back ten feet and pick up the foul when he "bumps" them out of the way... You put different people on him and hope that you have enough talent to not foul everyone out and do your best... but you dont get used to him.

will be interesting to watch the Lakers to see how they respond to the changes in the upcoming season.... but Im fairly certain that the Kings will wind up on top of these matchups.... but they will certainly be good to watch...

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting harbingerofdoom:</div><div class="quote_post">
Will be interesting to watch the Lakers to see how they respond to the changes in the upcoming season.... But I'm fairly certain that the Kings will wind up on top of these matchups.... But they will certainly be good to watch...</div>

This is going to be a good series with the Kings and Lakers(as whenever they play isn't a good game lol),and with the new Laker lineup against our lineup,it will be fun to see how these teams pan out with one another.and i think the Kings can win the matchups if they keep the ball moving fast,and get some great Defense in their.

I Think it will be good to see how this series goes

Go Kings :thumbsup: