I was just browsing the net, and fell upon this site. Thought u guys might get a kick outta this. Enter the site, and write what u gotta say about it. Personally, I think most of it is just trash, but some points are good. If Jordan was so good how come the season in which he played baseball (93-94) the teams record only had 2 more losses than the previous season. Hey, I love MJ, but this guy has some good points. I have nothing to do with the site, it's old, and Im a big MJ fan. Just showing u guys the site. Here's the link. You will find it stupid, funny, true, factual, controversial, etc. http://airjudden2.tripod.com/ejf/indexf.html what do u guys think of this site? PS: try checking the FAQs
wow, that is THE STUPIDEST site I have ever seen, I don't think they have any points, these guys don'ty have any points really they are just being dumbas*es. These guys dont have any idea what they are talkinga bout, its the most ridiculous thing ever. Id like to see the guys who made that site in real life, probably a bunch of nerds who dont know sh!t about ball and wanted to do something gay.
actually he does have alot of good points think about it if jordan plaed back in wilts era he would have done non of that stuff, he would have been shut down and scored on and would have won one chanpionship if he was lucky. About 45 of the players in the greatest players list are better than him in my opinion. The leauge loved him so much than blew him out of porportion to attract fans and practically gave him all his awards. He is not the greatest player in history Wilt is. David Stern had to say michael is the greatest and MAKE A CONSPIRASY TO LET THE BULLS GO ON THAT CHAMPIONSHIP RUN WHEN BARKLEY CLYDE magic and isah deserved at least one championship in that period more than he deserved them all.
You can always say that if a certain player, played in a certain time or did this or that, that they wouldn't have played as well.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting The Answer 21:</div><div class="quote_post">actually he does have alot of good points think about it if jordan plaed back in wilts era he would have done non of that stuff, he would have been shut down and scored on and would have won one chanpionship if he was lucky. About 45 of the players in the greatest players list are better than him in my opinion. The leauge loved him so much than blew him out of porportion to attract fans and practically gave him all his awards. He is not the greatest player in history Wilt is. David Stern had to say michael is the greatest and MAKE A CONSPIRASY TO LET THE BULLS GO ON THAT CHAMPIONSHIP RUN WHEN BARKLEY CLYDE magic and isah deserved at least one championship in that period more than he deserved them all.</div> u must be like 6, cause clearly u didn't see jordan in his prime.
lmao i love the part about vintage jordan getting schooled by a rookie(AI) ;-)...the other stuff is BS
Remember 2 check the FAQs...He says some stupid crap in there...but some can be tolerated... Anyways, Wilt was a freaking center, he was like 7 ft... MJ is a shooting guard, at 6-6. Okay guys, what's more harder: catching the ball and dropping it in the basket or getting passed four guys and maneuvering in the air while getting banged up and hitting the shot plus the foul, with no big guy to help him, and leading their team with a side-kick at 6-8. Plus, I think the game seemed a lot weak back in Wilt's day. They just catched and shoot. I mean it wasn't physical at all. I don't understand the 1-dimensional ballhog thing in the site. The defensive player awards can be tolerated because he stated statistics of Damon Stoudemire, and AI...so I don't know about that. But comparing MJ to centers, and players from a different era is completely stupid. I would pay to see MJ rather than those others. But MJ was kinda of a jerk, and he would score a plethora of points and would be like 11/41 with a thousand freethrows. And I agree that Pippen made Pippen like it says on the site. Yes, he was a ballhog, u gotta do to what u gotta do. Yes, he did brick a lot crucial shots, but just like his famous quote, that's why he succeeded. MJ was amazing to watch, dominated games, scored, and played hard defense. Also, arguing the fact that Russel had 11, and Jordan had 6. Umm..who cares...Every great center is suppose to block and score, and get rebounds...but MJ as a guard stood out from everyone. We shouldn't go by championships, If some clown averages 100pts 100assists 100 rebs in his career and never wins a championship...he's not going to be the best ever. Even though this clown did everything, he had leadership, made everybody great, hit all the crazy shots, but his coach would take him out late in the game. this sounds bogus, but that clown was probably the better player than all the other suckers in the list. Kareem has more points, umm he played like freaking 19 seasons. Of course he's gonna have more...It also helps when ure 7 feet. The guy on the site is kinda stupid on some points. If Wilt is the greatest player ever, than I don't think he is the best player. There is a difference. There is no "greatest player ever". you can go by intagibles and such...but no "best evers" What MJ did was unbelievable. But on the flip side, he did have a crappy record in the playoffs without Pippen (there are some stuff on the site, which u have to be honest with ure self). MJ had a player who was like T-mac and Ron Artests morphed into one, who just punished the offense. He had all these shooters, oh here comes a double team, and he would dish it off to a shooting robot and hit open shots (Blazer series). If you have guys like Pippen, Grant, BJ, Paxson, Kukoc, Kerr, Hodges, etc. your gonna have dope team. There will be players like him, or better...MJ will have the best career and love. I do agree, about him being overrated, but he is great. Be honest with ure self here, MEdia did hype this clown. Worthy was hurt, KJ got fouled, and those east teams were weak, those 10 losses were probably against better west teams. He did get away with fouls, travels, etc. How was he a top rank college player, by hitting that stupid open jump shot, when Worthy was the anchor of that team, and he's the one who stole the ball right before or after, I'm not sure, I think it's after the shot. yeah, there was a couple of seconds left on the clock, and worthy stole the ball to close the game. You guys need to read the "The Jordan Rules"...Good book.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting The Answer 21:</div><div class="quote_post">actually he does have alot of good points think about it if jordan plaed back in wilts era he would have done non of that stuff, he would have been shut down and scored on and would have won one chanpionship if he was lucky. About 45 of the players in the greatest players list are better than him in my opinion. The leauge loved him so much than blew him out of porportion to attract fans and practically gave him all his awards. He is not the greatest player in history Wilt is. David Stern had to say michael is the greatest and MAKE A CONSPIRASY TO LET THE BULLS GO ON THAT CHAMPIONSHIP RUN WHEN BARKLEY CLYDE magic and isah deserved at least one championship in that period more than he deserved them all.</div> thats one of the most idiotic statements i've ever read on this site... 45 players greater than mike?!?!? If stern was in it to fix things, pistons wouldnt have won in 5 games... no way would stern allow the lakers to lose if he was in it to fix it, and definitely not in 5 games... No one deserves rings... rings are earned... learn some bball before you speak such nonsense again...
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Prodigy:</div><div class="quote_post"> MJ had a player who was like T-mac and Ron Artests morphed into one, who just punished the offense. He had all these shooters, oh here comes a double team, and he would dish it off to a shooting robot and hit open shots (Blazer series). If you have guys like Pippen, Grant, BJ, Paxson, Kukoc, Kerr, Hodges, etc. your gonna have dope team.</div> What has Pippen accomplished without Jordan? Not much despite being on some really stacked teams (Houston and Portland were both more stacked the Chicago from top to bottom). Horace Grant was only an all-star when he played alongside MJ because MJ is the ultimate at making his teammates better... No one heard from BJ Armstrong after he stopped playing w/ MJ (i bet you majority of people don't even kno that he played for Charlotte after leaving). Paxson, nothing more than a great shooter, same w/ Kerr. Kukoc isn't even known as a great sixth man anymore, as he was when he played along side jordan... Hodges was so great, after he won his last 3 point contest and was never picked up by any team. And what about Cartwright? Who cared about this guy when he wasn't playing alongside jordan? These schmucks probably don't even know he played in NY before going to Chicago. The people who made this site need to be punched in the face by a ridiculous amount of people.
"Assumptions is the mother of all f ups" is a great quote to describe these sorry people. They don't give credit to what Jordan did, so they discredit Jordan by stating would've, could've, if this, if that. Leave the greatest player of all-time alone. Meanwhile, leave Barry Bonds, Lance Armstrong, and Tim Montgomery alone too. Notice how these idiots have to dispute what these luminaries did for their sport. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">actually he does have alot of good points think about it if jordan plaed back in wilts era he would have done non of that stuff, he would have been shut down and scored on and would have won one chanpionship if he was lucky. About 45 of the players in the greatest players list are better than him in my opinion. The leauge loved him so much than blew him out of porportion to attract fans and practically gave him all his awards. He is not the greatest player in history Wilt is. David Stern had to say michael is the greatest and MAKE A CONSPIRASY TO LET THE BULLS GO ON THAT CHAMPIONSHIP RUN WHEN BARKLEY CLYDE magic and isah deserved at least one championship in that period more than he deserved them all.</div> Quote of the year.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting The Answer 21:</div><div class="quote_post">actually he does have alot of good points think about it if jordan plaed back in wilts era he would have done non of that stuff, he would have been shut down and scored on and would have won one chanpionship if he was lucky. About 45 of the players in the greatest players list are better than him in my opinion. The leauge loved him so much than blew him out of porportion to attract fans and practically gave him all his awards. He is not the greatest player in history Wilt is. David Stern had to say michael is the greatest and MAKE A CONSPIRASY TO LET THE BULLS GO ON THAT CHAMPIONSHIP RUN WHEN BARKLEY CLYDE magic and isah deserved at least one championship in that period more than he deserved them all.</div> If I could come through this computer, Id slap some sense into you. Consider this a digital slap :slap: Conspiracy? The Bulls just won because of great team play. Stern cannot control a series. He could control a few referree calls, but there is no way he can dictate an entire series. For even thinking that is possible....I am at a loss for words. No one can be THAT dumb.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> Why did the Bulls win 72 games in 1995-96 if jordon is so bad? Answer: As I stated before, jordon is worth 2 wins. Without Horace Grant, the "almighty" jordon was not able to win the title in 1995. The Bulls set out to acquire a rebounding power forward to gather jordon's many bricks and correct the mistakes of jordon the albatross. The Bulls added a rebounder and a winner (2 titles) in Dennis Rodman, and they went from an "also ran" to the premiere team in basketball. The next year, they slipped 3 games, but without Pippen this year (1997-98), they swan-dived to the level of what jordon himself called "an expansion team." jordon is dead weight. If, instead of jordon, the Bulls had a legitimate star in their backcourt, like Mitch Richmond, Allen Iverson, Reggie Miller, or Super John Starks, the Bulls would have probably won 78-80 games in 1995-96. </div> Yeah......thats all that needs to be said. This site loses all credibility with this.
Wow...that site is ridiculous. First off, about the Pippen argument...Jordan necessarily didn't need Pippen to be successful. However, he needed a coach to apply the triangle offense and base it around MJ, and this is where Phil Jackson comes to play. Pippen was drafted in 1987...for three seasons, Pippen and Jordan didn't come close to a championship. Then along comes Phil Jackson, in the 1990-1991 season...his first season as head coach. He brings with him the triangle offense. He puts Jordan as the captain, and pretty much lets him run the offensive sets (just like Kobe did all his years). That season...the Bulls are champs. Actually...they become three time champs until Jordan leaves...at that time, Pippen takes over the team, right? Wrong. The Bulls miss Jordan, and don't win a title. Sure, they had a similar record, but this is the Eastern Conference, guys. Who cares? Jordan comes back after the Rockets win two straight, and the Bulls go on and win three more. Jordan controlled that team, and thanks to him and Phil Jackson, they won titles. Jordan is overrated? No way. Without Jordan, there would be less kids out there playing basketball. I grew up on MJ...wanting to be like him, watching him show kids how to play basketball on television, and watching him "fly" through the air. He did commercials, ads, and eventually a movie. He sold tons of merchandise, so kids and younger guys could walk around on the court and play like Mike. When I was playing in the recreation league when I was little, I would watch stuff I recorded on television that had him on it, and I would feel invincible before a game. This guy gave me hope that I could play good, and he did that with alot of kids. Okay, about Wilt Chamberlain. Who thinks that Wilt could play today's style of basketball and score 100 on a defensive team like the Pistons? Basketball of the 60's, 70's and 80's had alot of talent, but today's athletes are more poised and athletic. Kids coming out of high school (yes, I know Wilt was drafted as a high schooler, but he didn't play in the league for a few years)...these kids are young, but they have potential, and they grew up watching these guys and have learned and evolved from them. Jordan's athleticism and his ability to create and manipulate shots in mid-air would make Wilt look like Michael Olowokandi in the paint. Jordan deserved all six of his rings. He fought through his father's death, a bad case of the flu, and an injury early in his career...even coming out of retirement after a bad and short baseball career...he still performed like the greatest player alive. Tell me another athlete who could do all that and still be the greatest. Iverson schooled Jordan? With what? He crossed him over, but it wasn't much. Did he drive on Jordan? No. Jordan merely jumped to block the shot. Yeah, it did look bad, which is the bad part...but I guess nobody saw the game, because I started liking Jordan when I was 12, at about that time, and throughout the whole game, Jordan was hitting jumpers out of nowhere on Iverson, and he was driving right past him and laying it in. Guys hit shots on other guys all the time...but sure, if someone does it to Jordan, they suddenly become BETTER than him. Okay, whatever. The site is stupid, and just a cop-out to not liking MJ. Someone commented on seeing Jordan in his prime...I'd second that. Some people need to go buy the Jordan DVD collection. It's cheap on the net, so get it and take a look...Ultimate Jordan. You guys will respect the man who made basketball what it is today if you watch the content. Without Jordan, there would be no hype for young players coming into the league because there would be no comparisons to MJ, and there would definitely be fewer fans. Face it...no matter how you look at him, you're still staring in the face of success.
I'm pretty sure that that site is more of a joke site. The more logical argument comes in that guy's tribute page to Wilt Chamberlain where he argues why Wilt was the best ever. I like the points the guy brings up in the Wilt Chamberlain site. Anyway, I've been in too many Wilt/MJ arguments on this board and on other boards. I'll just continue to let the kids disrespect Wilt's game in attempts to make Jordan look better and better. Not saying that Jordan isn't the greatest, he is ONE of the greatest. To limit the NBA to have one greatest player is a slight to the other legends that play the game. All legends are great in their own right. The thing I don't like is how people make Wilt's career look like garbage in an attempt to reassure themselves that MJ is the greatest and any other opinion is wrong.
Here are some legitimate points on Michael Jordan. As an NBA fan since '76 I have noticed some things that have changed in not just the NBA but all basketball since Jordan. Some for the better, some for the worse. Before MJ there was "Star Treatment" for certain players from the ref's. As much as I did not want to see Dr J, Magic or Bird etc. get ejected from a game, I have always felt that for a referee to turn a blind eye, and not make a call because the offender was a "star", is opposed to the ethics of the game of basketball. However, my apathy to the sport lets me deal with this relatively small annoyance. In my opinion MJ was one of the most talented players in the history of the game. An excellent defender and one of the best offensive players to ever set foot on the court, perhaps THE best, depending on how you guage offensive ability. Anyways its definitely arguable. That said, this one man has changed the game in a way that I find disturbing. It is now acceptable in the NBA that a player (depending on the player, which is most guards) can carry the ball while dribbling down the court or weaving through traffic to the hoop because Michael made it okay. Half the time when a star player goes for a dunk, they will take 3,4 or even 5 steps to hoop without a dribble. And why not, Michael did it. By the time '93 rolled around, I could not not play in a pick-up game in the neighborhood without some kid after getting the ball in his hands, sticking his tongue out with tunnel vision towards the hoop, spinning, head faking, pretty much using every trick in the book for like 5 min. while traveling, double dribbling, and fighting a double or a triple team and ignoring the wide open guy under the basket or the shootist with nobody near him at the top of the key, only to throw up a fadeway airball. But as long as just one of those shots ever goes in, he felt like he was gonna be on the ESPN shot of the game that night. While the game suffers and the rest of the guys finally give up on calling all the infractions because it just slows the game down and all we want to do is play. But hey, he just wanted to be like Mike. By '95 the courts were filled with kids who wanted to be like Mike. MJ wanted to win more than anything else (good thing) even if it meant on many nights that he thought it neccesary to throw up 45 shots and make only 17 (bad thing) but the next day the papers would say "MJ MAKES 17 SHOTS AND SCORES 50" I mean there are a ton of guys who if they shot 30 or more a night would end up having a higher scoring average than Jordan ever did. But that underminds the fact that most nights Michael did make the ones that counted, so I dont want to trivialize his ability. I am merely making a point. The powers that be in the NBA have created this mess by making it permissible to do what the rule book says is not. MJ was talented enough that if they clamped down on him early on, I am sure he would have been able to accomplish everything he already has, and the game would be alot more recognizable to what it was 20 yrs ago. But they thought that if they dont let this guy do what he wants nobody will watch, or buy NBA stuff. While I feel MJ had some character flaws, he was a handsome and media friendly young man. The NBA saw him as a marketing tool and they ran with it to the fullest. This train of thought has set a precedent with other players like Shaquille, but that is an argument for another day. I always get irrational arguments from guys that blindly love Mike and only decided to like basketball in the mid '90's when they thought it would be cool to wear a Bulls #23 jersey because everyone else was, but they know next to nothing about the state of the game before that time. In many cases (after some prying) they dont know much about the game at all. That is not to say that all Jordan lovers are ignorant of the game alltogether. But anyone who is objective can not deny some of the influences Jordan left are ugly. I do think that he made the game I love more appealing to many folks who otherwise would have been just fine to watch day-time drama for entertainment and the sport has prospered because of that. Okay, go ahead sling the mud. Because I just dared to say anything negative about the mighty MJ. But I hope that folks will want to have a healthy discussion, rather than just lashing out.
Remember the Cliff Robinson incident? Yeah...when Jordan shrugged his shoulders in the playoffs when he couldn't stop shooting threes? Just had to let you know that...Jordan loved the Blazers jk But...I agree on all the shot attempts being a bad decision. Yet I don't understand your argument about the traveling violations. I've never seen Jordan travel like you say...I've seen him take an extra half-step, but not a full one. If anyone travels, it's the guys in the paint...Shaq, Yao, Wallace, etc. when they use their feet to position themselves for a shot because they don't have enough leverage to do it themselves. There's a move called a pro-hop, jump step, whatever you wanna call it...that almost looks like traveling, but some people will disagree all day long about it. I've never seen Jordan do a jump step ever. All I've seen him do in his days with the Bulls is take off from his left foot...which traveling is tough when you are driving the lane, because your momentum leads your dribble to hit the ground with the opposite foot (try it sometime)...so you'll end up picking the ball up while taking your first step with the right foot, then the left (driving right handed). That's where the half-step comes in, but it's not travel. Two steps...
