The Sonics have apparently talked to the Celtics about a trade for Ray Allen. Am I wrong in thinking Pierce is pretty much untouchable?
Nope, Theres talk of him, Carter,Ray allen all want to be traded. I wouldnt see why he's untouchable he's good and all but..i dont see anything special.
Would Ray sign an extension in Boston/knowing he is being traded to Boston? Otherwise no trade could happen. Boston are interested in Radmanovic too, maybe Ray and Vlad for Pierce and someone? Unlikely I guess.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Nope, Theres talk of him, Carter,Ray allen all want to be traded</div> I have seen nothing indicating Pierce has asked to be traded or wants to be traded. Making a statement like that requires a link for it to have any validity. Just because Paul didn't like losing last year, doesn't mean it automatically means he wants to be traded. Ainge has said that everyone is available for the right price. That also doesn't mean Pierce wants to be traded. As far as trading him for Ray, it doesn't really make all that much sense, IMO.
Well according to my source there is only a chance for Boston to do a deal if Pierce isn't involved, and considering Boston don't really have anything else of enough value to make it work (both by the cap and equal player value), I think we can put this rumour to rest.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Adrenaline:</div><div class="quote_post">Nope, Theres talk of him, Carter,Ray allen all want to be traded. I wouldnt see why he's untouchable he's good and all but..i dont see anything special.</div> I don't understand this at all. I've never read anything that said Pierce has said he wants to be traded. And what do you mean he's nothing special, he's the only player in the entire league to average 20, 6, and 5. IMO Pierce should be untouchable, there's no way Ainge will get equal value for him.
realGM accepts the deal Boston trades: SG Paul Pierce (22.9 ppg, 6.5 rpg, 5.1 apg in 38.7 minutes) SF Jumaine Jones (2.2 ppg, 1.6 rpg, 0.3 apg in 8.9 minutes) Boston receives: SG Ray Allen (23.0 ppg, 5.1 rpg, 4.8 apg in 38.4 minutes) PF Vladimir Radmanovic (12.0 ppg, 5.3 rpg, 1.8 apg in 30.2 minutes) Change in team outlook: +9.9 ppg, +2.3 rpg, and +1.2 apg. Seattle trades: SG Ray Allen (23.0 ppg, 5.1 rpg, 4.8 apg in 38.4 minutes) PF Vladimir Radmanovic (12.0 ppg, 5.3 rpg, 1.8 apg in 30.2 minutes) Seattle receives: SG Paul Pierce (22.9 ppg, 6.5 rpg, 5.1 apg in 80 games) SF Jumaine Jones (2.2 ppg, 1.6 rpg, 0.3 apg in 42 games) Change in team outlook: -9.9 ppg, -2.3 rpg, and -1.2 apg. <font color="Green"><font size="5">TRADE ACCEPTED</font></font> Due to Boston and Seattle being over the cap, the 15% trade rule is invoked. Boston and Seattle had to be no more than 115% plus $100,000 of the salary given out unless trade exceptions were used for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement. :thumbsup:
Another example of it working out on RealGM and not making a whole lot of sense in reality. Just because it can work, doesn't mean it's a good idea.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Celtz34:</div><div class="quote_post">It's makes sense.</div> also sucks though
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">It's makes sense.</div> Sure it does..... Let's trade for a 6'10" PF who spends little time in the paint and shoots alot of 3's. OB would love that.......oh wait.....<font color="DarkRed">OB 3 BALL is GONE.</font> If we're going to go get a PF who shoots 3's and doesn't average more than 5.5 Rebs per game, Then we can just forget this trade and throw Waltah in the game. We've already got Raef and Waltah to fill that role of dragging big men out onto the perimeter. This trade scenario does nothing to alleviate that issue, only create a greater log jam. I like Ray Allen, he's a good player. However, when you think about either Ray or Paul having an off night, Allens a shooter and Paul's a scorer. From an overall perspective, I think you have to give the nod to Pierce, plus he has the ability to get to the hole better, when he's not shooting well. As I said before, there's no good reason to do this trade.
hagrid has told me that The Truth tries too hard to do too mcuh at times. I have to agree fully, he's fully capable but can't really pull off a one man show, most players can't anyways. I'm sure any team would be happy to take him, good attitude, well balanced game and more importantly fun to watch. Good morale booster, such a hard worker. If you're to rid yourselves of him at least get a good slasher. You need toughness, size, strength, D and rebounding.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Rave:</div><div class="quote_post">hagrid has told me that The Truth tries too hard to do too mcuh at times. I have to agree fully, he's fully capable but can't really pull off a one man show, most players can't anyways. I'm sure any team would be happy to take him, good attitude, well balanced game and more importantly fun to watch. Good morale booster, such a hard worker. If you're to rid yourselves of him at least get a good slasher. You need toughness, size, strength, D and rebounding.</div> I disagree that a trade like that makes us worse. I dont want Allen for Pierce but a Radmanovic who is an athletic big would be far more useful than a player like Jones with our glut of wings. Plus,we need more shooting and the teams shooting would improve. If Seattle threw in a draft pick which could turn into a lottery pick,it could be a good idea. Also keep in mind that getting Allen would free cap space as he is going to be a FA. I dont know what FAs could be out there but if there are some intruiguing names,its something that has to be considered.
If stars like Carter and McGrady ALLLLLLLLL get what they want, every single star player will be playing in sacramento, memphis, san antonio, Houston, minnesota, or Dallas by the time the season begins.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> Also keep in mind that getting Allen would free cap space as he is going to be a FA.</div> Great, so in lue of having a dedicated Paul Pierce, we get a rented Ray Allen and a draft pick? Great, when Ray bolts for greener pastures ($$$) then we'll be left with a draft pick for Paul Pierce. Anyone else think that's not a good trade? We did that crap of mortaging the future when we rented ourselves out for Joe Johnson et al. It didn't pay off then and we're talking about <u>ALOT</u> more collateral here. If Dannyboy is too stupid to not consider that, then I'll jump on the bandwagon and start bashing him. Until then,...... this is a bad trade scenario, IMO.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=1833036 It says there that Ainge wants Radmanovic and Allen, but won't deal Pierce. I don't know what type of trade he is thinking about but it must include Ricky and probably Raef.
If we could keep Pierce and Lose Raef's contract.......damn....I'd be willing to lose Ricky or Jiri for that. Doesn't seem all that likely though. I like RD's/Jiri's upside, but neither is worth Ray Allen.
