whats so great about A.I.

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  1. Hot Sauce

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    See? AI has heart for the game. He wants to defend his country while some other big names of the NBA dont...
     
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    AI doesnt suck i doubt anyone would be stupid enough to say that. True he does have a low FG% but factor in that no one on his team can create there shot. hes forced to take long fadeaways and thats wat causes his low fg%. Alot of players on that team can make the open shot. Fact is that the sixers would have made the playoffs if they hadnt had the injury bug. AI and the Big Dog was out for significat amounts of time. AI has a huge heart and he does all he can to help his team win. He doesnt do the smartest things but he can still flat out play. is there anyone else in the League who can defend iverson 1v1? Is there anyone else in the league who can take all the beating he does in the lane and still make the impossible layup or floater. And a guy his size take fadeaways at the 20 fts jumpers and 3pters with a guy several inches taler then him gaurding him and still make it? no There isnt many guys who can do that. But hes also getting old, i think hes 30 now or maybe younger so his play is gonna deteiorate cause of the way he plays so even though hes really good..hes not a guy i would trade for
     
  3. InNETSweTrust

    InNETSweTrust JBB Philippines' Finest

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    I used to have the greatest respect for AI. But after the "practice" and the "I'm an All-Star so I should always be a starter even if I came off an injury" incident, I lost some respect for him.
     
  4. og15

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    AI isn't bad, he's a good player, but also about his team being bad, it's because of how he plays, he had to be surrounded by defensive players, role players, guys who could score off the bench and average guys who didn't need the ball in the starting lineup, unless their would be conflict. He has had other good 2nd option guys but he doesn't work well with them, you can't have AI with other guys than need to score, thats why Stack, and even KVH left (traded), and Hughes, Harpring and Thomas left before they could show their offensive skill.

    Also about his shooting, even with playing the 2 and having taller defenders, he's not really a good shooter, not bad though, and he has PG's on him a lot too because he can easily blow by SG's so coaches don't put them on him.

    About defense, it's true that man to man even at the PG spot he's not really a good defender, just average at most, but he can get steals, but a thing I say a lot is statistical defense isn't good defense.
    Also about being clutch, yea it's true he doesn't hit too many game winners, isn't really the most clutch guy around, man never really thought of it, but I'll try to find a time he's hit one.

    Also I read about him coming from the ghetto and growing up hard, but a lot of NBA players can also attest to that in their lives, I don't think we can name it any excuse for a players behaviour, his mom did seem to pamper him a lot though.


    Now about trading for him, no I wouldn't want him on my team, I won't want to have to trade all my other guys for average or role players just to accomodate him, and his contract is a little big and lengthy when he reaches his older days.



    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting "Mr.Wade":</div><div class="quote_post">The argument is the same over and over again, he shoots too much, has a bad attitude, doesn't pass, doesn't listen. That's pretty much what everyone is saying in a nutshell, just putting it in different wording.

    How bout we all go home happy saying he's a great player. No, he doesn't listen to coaches and sometimes mouths off, but what's that got to do about his playing ability, and why should we judge him solely because of that. IT'S HOW HE IS PEOPLE, JUST SUCK IT UP AND DEAL WITH IT, A.I IS WHO HE IS.
    If he doens't wanna listen, then let him not listen, he plays fine anyways.
    Your complaining about his FG%? Lebron's is crap, his 3pt is waht like 28%. Does that make him bad? Melo's isn't that great, does that make him crap. T-macs isn't that great does that make him crap? Double P, JKidd, VC, Jalen ETC.

    People please, stop arguing.</div>
    The only problem with that is Iverson's FG efficiency is 41.3%, also Lebron and Melo are rookies, but their's are 43.9% and 45.1%, McGrady's was 47.2% (three's = more points), Pierce's 44.1%, Carter's 45.2%, even Kidd's was 43.2%, and I don't know why you added Jalen, but his was 44.1%, so yes his shooting wasn't impressive.


    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting "KG-MVP":</div><div class="quote_post">He has a bad shooting %, so do have the other players in the league, and he still manages to average more PPG than them.</div>
    I don't know if this is valid, those players likely don't take as many shots as he does so the obviously won't score as much.


    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting "KG-MVP":</div><div class="quote_post">He shoots many shots for his PPG, and still averages 6 assists. Though he averages many turnovers, its but a small setback due to his height. When compared to the rest of his resume, its irrelevant.</div>
    Not taking anything away from him, but he also plays a lot of minutes, so he'll get higher numbers than some other guys in those categories (including turnovers), but if you have the ball than much you'll get the dimes, look at Pierce's increase in APG, it wasn't because he became a much better passer.

    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting "KG-MVP":</div><div class="quote_post">The fact that the Sixers havent been a good team in awhile has little, if anything, to do with AI.</div>
    I thought the teams were assemble to accomodate him, I heard Croche say it back in the day, this year the team wasn't bad but injuries. Last year wasn't bad either.
    If you look from his rookie year:
    1996-1997: Stackhouse (20.1 PPG), Coleman (18.1 PPG), Spoon (12.9 PPG), good scoring here, Stack traded for Ratliff and McKie
    1997-1998: Coleman (17.6 PPG), Ratliff (11.2 PPG), T.Thomas (11.0 PPG) Joe Smith (10.3 PPG, 30 games), not bad, Coleman leaves via Free Agency
    1998-1999: Geiger (13.5 PPG lol), Ratliff (11.2 PPG), Hughes (9.1 PPG), Snow (8.6 PPG), Hill and Lynch (8.5 and 8.3 PPG), no one else, having your second option as Geiger, this one was just sad [​IMG]
    1999-2000: Kukoc (12.4 PPG, 32 games), Hill (12.0 PPG), Ratliff (11.9 PPG), Hughes (10 PPG, 50 games), Lynch (9.6 PPG), Hughes traded to get Kukoc.
    2000-2001: Ratliff (12.4 PPG, 50 games), Mutombo (11.7 PPG, 26 games), McKie (11.6 PPG), Snow (9.8 PPG), Hill (9.6 PPG), Lynch (8.4 PPG) Kukoc, Nazr, Pepe and Ratliff for Mutombo and McLeod
    2001-2002: Coleman (15.1 PPG), McKie (12.2 PPG), Snow (12.1 PPG), Harpring (11.8 PPG), Mutombo (11.5 PPG), Claxton (7.2 PPG) this one was decent in terms of scoring. Mutombo traded for KVH and Todd.
    2002-2003: Van Horn (15.9 PPG), Snow (12.9 PPG), KT (10.2 PPG), Coleman and Mckie (9.4 and 9.0 PPG), so was this one

    Yup defensive stoppers, rebounders, at most one good offensive player (except 96-97), apart from that average offensive guys, and guys that could score off the bench.
     
  5. 30 standing ver

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    Dag, so many post on this topic already. Well my arms do get tired just watching shoot alot. But he still is the heart and soul of the team. I mean of course you're gonna get really fustrated when your team goes down every year. They bought in Big Dawg for what? This team was suppose to go places but didn't. When a players career is winding down at 29 because lack of size and the team loses alot of games it's natural to make comments that ppl don't wanna hear.

    Anyways, AI has just got to put on those pounds already. Are else he'll be done in the next 2 years. Man I miss the days where AI use to dunk and blow by anybody. He still kinda blows by ppl, but not like before. But AI to me is still a great player. He still has a big heart and like posted so many times before, guarding ppl like T-Mac and Kobe etc... for so many years can take it's tole on anybody. Especially somebody he may not even be 6 feet nothing.
     
  6. Chillz

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    Ai is good not an elite player anymore but he is a good player, and he does need help every day he is guarding a damn 6'6 2 guard who just beats him up now with the addition of AI 2 in the draft they should be fine now he can guard the PG and be fresh for the whole season.....But I would love to see him go somewhere else than Philly maybe he can pull a Rasheed and do a 180 and restore some of that old AI that everyone remembers so hopefully he can go somewhere that has a chance of competing on the east coast. say what you want about shot selection and things like that but on the 76ers if he didnt score who was going to??? snow will give you what 8 pts a game Glen Robinson needs to quit eating and get into shape and Kenny Thomas needs to prove that hes worth what he is getting paid...................and Igoudala will help the 76ers get into the playoffs next year with about a 500 record.
     
  7. og15

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    <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Kenny Thomas needs to prove that hes worth what he is getting paid</div>
    Hey, lay off KT :P he did averaged 13.6 PPG and 10.1 RPG, and he shot 46.9%, so he did good, and he's score more but he doesn't get the rock.
     
  8. Duece~2

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    AI is a great player.....who said there is something wrong with him, must be meant in the good way, or else just not has understanding within the game of basketball.
     
  9. KG-MVP

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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Duece~2:</div><div class="quote_post">AI is a great player.....who said there is something wrong with him?</div>

    Go look though all of the replies, and the original post. A lot of people said theres a lot of stuff wrong with him.
     

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