Vince + Jalen + Alvin to Orlando = for Grant Hill, Steve Francis, Cuttino Mobley and Jameer Nelson Why Orlando does this: Orlando just lost a superstar and they have enough trouble selling tickets at the TD center, bring a local marketable hero like Vince would help sell tickets. And ostensibly it removes the stigma that the magic are in a rebuilding mode. Why Toronto does this: it gives the raptors a point and a backup point in nelson while consolidating their backcourt defense with mobley, an underrated defender. grant hill is damaged goods but he has 3 years left with an option to opt out next year on his contract giving the raptors cap flexibility in the near future, something they didn't have with jalen or alvin. in addition, mobley?s contracts expires in two years. Additionally, it makes the raptors younger and healthier.
ummmm i think Francis and Mobley are capable of selling tickets.... and Orlando will probably never do this cuz they just aquired those guys and they want to see what they can do with them
I highly doubt Magic fans will agree to this. They already got rid of one whiner so why would they accept another whiner? Plus I don't think any team would be willing to pick up both Jalen and William's contracts. It's hard enough just to get rid of one of their over-priced contracts.
Finally there's a trade proposal involving Vince that actually compliments Vince's value. If the Magic are giving up Francis, then no way would they give up Nelson because their point guard department will be screwed, but since you just added him to make the deal fair, I'll accept it.
So we trade our whole team for their whole team, would Orlando even do that, and ydo you actually think Steve Francis will stay
I don't think Francis would be willing to come here anyways, I think he has a thing against Canadians
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Gotrunks226:</div><div class="quote_post">ummmm i think Francis and Mobley are capable of selling tickets.... and Orlando will probably never do this cuz they just aquired those guys and they want to see what they can do with them</div> lets put some perspective on this; vince is a good looking, well spoken, degree holder, from a middle class background, with no gang affiliation and he can dunk like dominique. vince sells tickets at an outrageous rate, i detest him but he draws peripheral fans and u need that in a market like orlando with a displaced citizenry and no civic pride. remember orlando is an amalgamation of retirees and latino immigrants, civic pride ain't big in orlando.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting og15:</div><div class="quote_post">So we trade our whole team for their whole team, would Orlando even do that, and ydo you actually think Steve Francis will stay </div> "our whole team"? u're forgetting cb4, donyell and that rafael dude. and its not their whole team, since only grant hill played a game for them and even he only played a few. but screw grant, he's salary just makes the trade work. in the trade we are getting the entire playoff rocket backcourt and arguably the best college player in nelson.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting banks3:</div><div class="quote_post">I don't think Francis would be willing to come here anyways, I think he has a thing against Canadians</div> a lot of revisionist history and myths here. francis said he didn't want to go to vancouver not toronto, in fact he said he wouldn't mind being here. and a little history for u, toronto actually had a better package then Houston. However, stu jackson the dude that ran vancouver into the ground didn't want to start an inter-country rivalry and so he accepted the rockets offer.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting deception:</div><div class="quote_post">"our whole team"? u're forgetting cb4, donyell and that rafael dude. and its not their whole team, since only grant hill played a game for them and even he only played a few. but screw grant, he's salary just makes the trade work. in the trade we are getting the entire playoff rocket backcourt and arguably the best college player in nelson.</div> So you think the Magic would do that?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting og15:</div><div class="quote_post">So you think the Magic would do that?</div> well i wouldn't have proposed the trade if i don't think they wouldn?t agree to it. somebody suggested that they just traded for mobley and francis which means they wouldn't do it. stupid reason? they were coerced into doing so by the obnoxious trade demands of superstar who threatened to leave without an reciprocal exchange of talent for him. Nonetheless, I see think the Watson+ bonzi+ swift trade for = vince + donyell is the best option for the raptors.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting deception:</div><div class="quote_post">lets put some perspective on this; vince is a good looking, well spoken, degree holder, from a middle class background, with no gang affiliation and he can dunk like dominique. vince sells tickets at an outrageous rate, i detest him but he draws peripheral fans and u need that in a market like orlando with a displaced citizenry and no civic pride. remember orlando is an amalgamation of retirees and latino immigrants, civic pride ain't big in orlando.</div> One question, why do you think Vince would sell more tickets than Tmac did? Tmac can do everything Vince can do but way better, sending Vince to the Magic would not help them more than Tmac did. Also I doubt they would trade Francis just after he said he would like to play there, if he wanted to leave it would be understandable. This leaves the Magic with two big contracts (Vince and Jalen) plus with absolutely no point guard. I still don't see this trade working out for either side.
Yea I don't see why the Magic would want Jalen and Alvin in any deal, even if they were getting Vince, it's like Juwan Howard and Tmac having Jalen and Carter, and Alvin is a Grant Hill but not as good and injured less lol Also they give up a young PG, I think it would be a bad trade on the Magic's part, why not just go with the team they have now.
I'd just liek to say that Vince never asked to be traded. And I believe it. I was just browsing, the unmaintained http://raptors.realgm.com and it gave a link to http://knicks.realgm.com and the link said "Vince never asked to be traded" go to http://knicks.realgm.com and then go to July 2nd news and there you will find it.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting nkwu:</div><div class="quote_post">I'd just liek to say that Vince never asked to be traded. And I believe it. I was just browsing, the unmaintained http://raptors.realgm.com and it gave a link to http://knicks.realgm.com and the link said "Vince never asked to be traded" go to http://knicks.realgm.com and then go to July 2nd news and there you will find it.</div> I saw that, too... but it doesn't make it any more right or wrong than the initial reports indicating he wanted out... it's just some guy saying "no he didn't." Mind you, if you'll believe one report... why not the other? Regardless, I'm pretty sure Vince will be in a raptors jersey this coming season...
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting thefranchise3:</div><div class="quote_post">One question, why do you think Vince would sell more tickets than Tmac did? Tmac can do everything Vince can do but way better, sending Vince to the Magic would not help them more than Tmac did. Also I doubt they would trade Francis just after he said he would like to play there, if he wanted to leave it would be understandable. This leaves the Magic with two big contracts (Vince and Jalen) plus with absolutely no point guard. I still don't see this trade working out for either side.</div> i never suggested that vince would sell more tickets than tmac thats too arbitrary for me to declare that. however, i know vince can sell more tickets than francis. and do u really think francis is the ideal representative of team to have in a rebuilding situation? vince doesn't care about winning, we know that from his efforts in toronto and he gets to play in his hometown, so his mom will put a muzzle on him. and jalen has been on losing teams for over 3 years now, i still love the dude but u have to give up something to get something. and the no point guard dilemma isn't that big of a conundrum since we didn't have a natural point either last year. Plus, they have a hockey guy as their gm, which should give u a clear indication that they only care about the bottom line in Disney Land
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting og15:</div><div class="quote_post">Yea I don't see why the Magic would want Jalen and Alvin in any deal, even if they were getting Vince, it's like Juwan Howard and Tmac having Jalen and Carter, and Alvin is a Grant Hill but not as good and injured less lol Also they give up a young PG, I think it would be a bad trade on the Magic's part, why not just go with the team they have now.</div> what? i didn't get that.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting deception:</div><div class="quote_post">i never suggested that vince would sell more tickets than tmac thats too arbitrary for me to declare that. however, i know vince can sell more tickets than francis. and do u really think francis is the ideal representative of team to have in a rebuilding situation? vince doesn't care about winning, we know that from his efforts in toronto and he gets to play in his hometown, so his mom will put a muzzle on him. and jalen has been on losing teams for over 3 years now, i still love the dude but u have to give up something to get something. and the no point guard dilemma isn't that big of a conundrum since we didn't have a natural point either last year. Plus, they have a hockey guy as their gm, which should give u a clear indication that they only care about the bottom line in Disney Land</div> Steve Francis is my favorite player, but I can easily say that he would not make this team win more than Vince (or help at all for that matter). This organization can win next season if we add a few key parts, I don't think this would make us any better. Cuttino is overrated because of his scoring numbers, I've heard Rockets fans complain about his poor shot selection and decisions (something we can't use). I think both the Magic and Raptors would deny this trade, because I still can't see how it works out for both teams in any way. If you say Vince can sell more tickets that Francis (if thats true), that would be a plus for Orlando and a negative for us, along with that we don't get any better in terms of talent, and they don't get any better in terms of winning. We wouldn't use Jameer to his full ability because hed be coming off the bench, and Grant Hill is another big contract. The Raptors are looking to get in the playoffs next season because our core group of guys can be productive when healthy, the NY daily post reported that Vince didn't ask for a trade, which is as credible as the source that said he did. If thats the case this trade doesn't even need to take place.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting deception:</div><div class="quote_post">what? i didn't get that.</div> Sorry, my fault I was in a hurry, getting Vince and Jalen for the Magic would just be like getting Juwan and Tmac back except with bigger contracts (Jalen makes more than Juwan), and them getting Alvin would just be like having Grant Hill again except he gets injured less and when not injured isn't as good. What are the benefits really? Ticket sales which will only rise if they win not if they have Vince, and they can win with their current players. Also in the trade the Magic give up a young PG in Jameer Nelson, it makes mroe sense for them to just go with the team they have now and make minor changes but not anything major.
