where should the raps go for a center? chris mihm and brian skinner are on the market, and could come at a decent price. skinner's play really impressed me last season. he's a beast down low...i think he'd like the idea of starting on a team. mihm is kinda sketchy, hot and cold, but iv seen flashes of brilliance. other then that, pickins are pretty slim for centers. what does everyone think? ps mods...i know this could have gone in the 'official offseason thread' but i wanted to start a thread strictly on the center position
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting dj_premium_plus:</div><div class="quote_post">where should the raps go for a center? chris mihm and brian skinner are on the market, and could come at a decent price. skinner's play really impressed me last season. he's a beast down low...i think he'd like the idea of starting on a team. mihm is kinda sketchy, hot and cold, but iv seen flashes of brilliance. other then that, pickins are pretty slim for centers. what does everyone think? ps mods...i know this could have gone in the 'official offseason thread' but i wanted to start a thread strictly on the center position </div> i've been pushing for skinner for a long while.
We only have a little bit of our MLE left and LLE left, only about 1.5 mil a piece, so whoever we get we'll have to sign for really cheap. We may have a little more, maybe we can sign Jason Collier for minimum?
Collier? I remember he had a great game versus the Raps last year in Rose's comeback game. He's a 3. I don't really think Skinner would want to come back to TO, because he actually got let go by the Raps, and that gave him the oppurtunity to blossom in Milwaukee. He's a little bit harder than Alston, because Alston really loved TO. It won't be as easy to bring Skinner here than it was with Alston.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting banks3:</div><div class="quote_post">Collier? I remember he had a great game versus the Raps last year in Rose's comeback game. He's a 3. I don't really think Skinner would want to come back to TO, because he actually got let go by the Raps, and that gave him the oppurtunity to blossom in Milwaukee. He's a little bit harder than Alston, because Alston really loved TO. It won't be as easy to bring Skinner here than it was with Alston.</div> true say...but the raptors team we have now, is much different then the raptors team we had back then. including managment, and coaching which has strong ties to milwaukee. skinner might like the idea of comming to play for sam, who im sure had at least SOMETHING to do with his development. He barely saw any burn when he was on the raps, and was shipped off pretty quickly. the idea of starting for coach mitchell im sure over-bears his short stint with the raps as for cap space, im sure the raps are going to free up some more, by shipping off one of our huge contracts ie: alvin or donyell, and maybe buy out/waive palacio. that would give us some more flexibility.
I want Brian Skinner from my heart. He probably doesn't care if he was booted from the Raptors. He said he loves Toronto, and if he is offered the money, he would definitely be a Raptor. Babcock shouldn't be stupid now. If he tried to get Skinner but failed, then I salute him.
thinking about the team with altson and an impressive araujo in summer league while adding someone like skinner would give us a stong team next year. i might be a little bit ambitious, but 44-38 next year.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting banks3:</div><div class="quote_post">Collier? I remember he had a great game versus the Raps last year in Rose's comeback game. He's a 3. I don't really think Skinner would want to come back to TO, because he actually got let go by the Raps, and that gave him the oppurtunity to blossom in Milwaukee. He's a little bit harder than Alston, because Alston really loved TO. It won't be as easy to bring Skinner here than it was with Alston.</div> "Hes a 3" - Maybe I'm confused, but I hope you don't think hes a SF (by the meaning, 3). Hes a legit 7' C who can score inside an out with a good deal of efficiency, hes big and really cheap. He'd be a good fit.
Yea Collier isn't a SF, he's a PF-C. He wouldn't be a bad addition, but defense, rebounding and shot blocking is what I'd prefer from a FA big man acquisition, rather than scoring and shooting. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Duece~2:</div><div class="quote_post">how about lorenzo wright or reggie evans,jerome james,calvin booth.......</div> What about them? Lorenzen, Booth and James are all signed, and Reggie is an undersized 6'7 PF, who's a rebounding machine, and a defensive stopper, but we don't need a PF.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting og15:</div><div class="quote_post">Yea Collier isn't a SF, he's a PF-C. He wouldn't be a bad addition, but defense, rebounding and shot blocking is what I'd prefer from a FA big man acquisition, rather than scoring and shooting. </div> collier confirms every stereotype about the american white basketball player. can't jump and has conditioning issues, skinner is a much better acquisition and helps add toughness to a skinny frontline. i would give him the 1.6 easily.
SKinner will be getting more than 1.6 million, look at how much everyone is getting paid this off-season, and Skinner a Center (more of a PF), who averaged 10.5 points, 7.3 rebounds, and 1.05 blocks in 28 minutes isn't going to be gotten for that kind of money. Especially since he made like 1.4 million last year, and he opted out of making 1.65 million this year.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting og15:</div><div class="quote_post">SKinner will be getting more than 1.6 million, look at how much everyone is getting paid this off-season, and Skinner a Center (more of a PF), who averaged 10.5 points, 7.3 rebounds, and 1.05 blocks in 28 minutes isn't going to be gotten for that kind of money. Especially since he made like 1.4 million last year, and he opted out of making 1.65 million this year.</div> yeah i agree i think he deserves the mid level exception cause he's certainly better than foyle. but i like him at the center position more than the pf in some controlled minutes at 20-22. although, he could sign a one year deal with us if he felt he wasn?t getting adequate offers in the hopes of showcasing his skills for a year. if i remember correctly he was injured for a good part of last season but so was foyle.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting thefranchise3:</div><div class="quote_post">"Hes a 3" - Maybe I'm confused, but I hope you don't think hes a SF (by the meaning, 3). Hes a legit 7' C who can score inside an out with a good deal of efficiency, hes big and really cheap. He'd be a good fit.</div> Yeah my bad I got him confused with Chris Crawford, his teammate from last year. If Adonal Foyle gets a starting base salary of 6.5 Million from his performances in his career, than Skinner does so too. What a crazy market it is this year.
I don't know, Foyle isn't an offensive juggernaut, but on defense and on the boards, he's better than almost all the big men in the market this year. If he's playing about 32 minutes a game, he'll give you about 8-9 points, 9+ rebounds, and 3+ blocks a game.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting og15:</div><div class="quote_post">I don't know, Foyle isn't an offensive juggernaut, but on defense and on the boards, he's better than almost all the big men in the market this year. If he's playing about 32 minutes a game, he'll give you about 8-9 points, 9+ rebounds, and 3+ blocks a game.</div> But is that worth 40 Million over 5 years ?
Tom (KC, MO): Have GMs gone insane? The Hedo deal with the Magic, Skip to my Lou in Toronto, GS reupping with Foyle (even the Nash deal) all seemed to be a little pricey. Is this just a case of teams having too much cap room for a less than great FA class? Chad Ford: (1:52 PM ET ) Exactly. I'm not sure it's insanity. Teams are impatient. They have needs. They want to lock up guys before they shop themselves around. I agree with you, however, the deals this season seem awfully high. But with so much cash on the market you knew someone was going to overpay. With that said . . . Adonal Foyle for $42 million? Please
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting deception:</div><div class="quote_post">collier confirms every stereotype about the american white basketball player. can't jump and has conditioning issues, skinner is a much better acquisition and helps add toughness to a skinny frontline. i would give him the 1.6 easily.</div> I would much rather have Skinner as well, but the thing is we could most likely get Collier to minimum, hed be a bigger improvement from players we've had in the past, like Archibald, Montross etc. The only reason why I suggested him is because hes really cheap as compared to Skinner or the others who we may not be able to afford. Maybe Pape Sow can show something good in summer league and possibly make the team, hes not a huge scorer but he's pretty good on the defensive side of things, maybe he could spend some time at C this year. We only have about 1.6 from our MLE, and our LLE left, plus minimums. Skinner would be a long shot, as much as I'd like to have him.
bobcock said he was gunna sign a vetern center to help ajuro (how ever u spell his name) he had a talk with dampier but i dont no how that would work and he had a talk with ostertag but he said he wont offer ostertag a contract
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">After losing out on free agent center Mark Blount, who agreed to re-sign with the Celtics earlier Thursday, the Philadelphia 76ers reached an agreement with forward Brian Skinner, ESPN's David Aldridge reports. The deal is to be for five years, $25 million.</div> http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=1836401" target="_blank"> http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=1836401</a> I guess we can kiss Skinner goodbye now....... In order to get a decent center, I think the best chance would be via trade. I don't want to get rid of Marshall but he's our only valuable asset who we're willing to part with (assuming VC wants to stay). So he's pretty much our best chance at getting a big man.
