Yes! I love the custodian. As a Big Ten fan, I've followed him for a while. I never expected him to be this good to be honest, but now that he is I'm extremely happy to have him as a Grizzlie. He'll be backing up Gasol over Outlaw I guess. It must be a backup's dream to be on the Grizzlies because of our ten man rotation. Don't fear Cardinal fans, he'll be getting a lot of playing time despite backing up Gasol. BTW - Custodianrules2, are you going to be posting in the Grizzlies forum now?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Kid Canada:</div><div class="quote_post">6 years 40 million for a guy who has had one ok season?</div> Considering the fact that most free agents are getting overpaid monstrously this season, Cardinal could be a steal for this amount of money. Obviously, the Warriors would have loved to keep him, but they had squandered their MLE on Adonal Foyle, another overpaid free agent. Considering the fact that Cardinal is a good player, but not a star, fits him perfectly into the Grizzlies. He has the ability to bang inside as a three but can also draw defenders outside as a four with his three-point range. This is an excellent signing by West. Besides, how could you doubt any of his moves? Btw Kid Canada, if you feel that Cardinal was overpaid with a salary of $6.5 million per year, what do you feel about guys like Adonal Foyle (6 year, $44 million), and Marcus Camby (6 year, $66 million)?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Kid Canada:</div><div class="quote_post">6 years 40 million for a guy who has had one ok season?</div> Trip said it very nicely. He's making 6.5 million dollars a year. Is that too much for a major contributer? He'll be great in the Grizzlies system. There were a few free agents that I would have rather seen the Grizzlies shoot for, like Bruce Bowen and John Barry. However, what the Grizzlies needed was a bigman - a Power Forward or Center. If you made a list of Power Forwards or Centers in the price range the Grizzlies were looking at, you'd have Brian Cardinal #1. While there's still a chance of a sign and trade for Eric Dampier, I would rather have Cardinal over him just based on salary reasons alone. Dampier would be asking for close to 60 million dollars. Compared to Cardinal's former teammates Adonal Foyle and Eric Dampier, this was a steal for the Grizzlies. Foyle is making millions more and was far less efficient last year, and he has far less youth and potential.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Trip:</div><div class="quote_post">Considering the fact that most free agents are getting overpaid monstrously this season, Cardinal could be a steal for this amount of money. Obviously, the Warriors would have loved to keep him, but they had squandered their MLE on Adonal Foyle, another overpaid free agent. Considering the fact that Cardinal is a good player, but not a star, fits him perfectly into the Grizzlies. He has the ability to bang inside as a three but can also draw defenders outside as a four with his three-point range. This is an excellent signing by West. Besides, how could you doubt any of his moves? Btw Kid Canada, if you feel that Cardinal was overpaid with a salary of $6.5 million per year, what do you feel about guys like Adonal Foyle (6 year, $44 million), and Marcus Camby (6 year, $66 million)?</div> i agree the market is experiencing some hyperinflation probably cause there is a scarcity of quality big men. however, i think foyle and camby are much better players when healthy than cardinal. camby is a dominant shot blocker and foyle is a big body that i really believe is going to be a late bloomer.
Ouch Warrior fans. This is the second straight year they've resurrected an NBA player's career and lost them to free agency, last year of course being Earl Boykins. I don't like the amount of money Cardinal received, but it fits right along with the overpaid contracts we've seen thus far. He is a perfect fit for the Grizzlies, and gives them another hustle player to play alongside Battier and Posey. Does this take the Grizzlies out of the Dampier sweepstakes? Or could we see a possible sign and trade with the Warriors, in which, Cardinal would be dealt back to Golden State along with a big salary like Jason Williams? One thing certain, Swift will not be back next season.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting deception:</div><div class="quote_post">i agree the market is experiencing some hyperinflation probably cause there is a scarcity of quality big men. however, i think foyle and camby are much better players when healthy than cardinal. camby is a dominant shot blocker and foyle is a big body that i really believe is going to be a late bloomer.</div> However, the point is: When have they ever been totally healthy? I agree, Foyle and Camby are above-average big men when healthy, but they have never been able to play a full 82 game schedule. Cardinal does a great job with his conditioning and has been devoid from injuries so far. If Camby and Foyle can be healthy players for the rest of their careers, I'll shut up. But if not, I sure will keep spouting...
Love this signing. Seems like a good role player that will fit into a roster that really started to jell last year. 44% for 3-point range, nice.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting shapecity:</div><div class="quote_post">Does this take the Grizzlies out of the Dampier sweepstakes? Or could we see a possible sign and trade with the Warriors, in which, Cardinal would be dealt back to Golden State along with a big salary like Jason Williams?</div> Not at all. In fact, the original idea was to trade Swift, maybe Outlaw, and Watson in a sign-and-trade for Dampier. I still think there's a possibility that Dampier and Cardinal will both be Grizzlies next season. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">One thing certain, Swift will not be back next season.</div> Is that speculation or fact? The fact remains that the Grizzlies still have veto power on any deal Stromile wants to sign with another team. Also, there was a story in the paper yesterday which reported that Swift is most likely staying in Memphis because of several reasons. He and his agent might opt to wait until Swift is an unrestricted free agent and capitalize on a seemlingly bigman-less free agency year. Jerry West might also deal him in a sign-and-trade to whichever team expresses the most interest or even to Golden State for Dampier. Then there's always the possibility of West making a trade to clear cap room to sign him.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Trip:</div><div class="quote_post">However, the point is: When have they ever been totally healthy? I agree, Foyle and Camby are above-average big men when healthy, but they have never been able to play a full 82 game schedule. Cardinal does a great job with his conditioning and has been devoid from injuries so far. If Camby and Foyle can be healthy players for the rest of their careers, I'll shut up. But if not, I sure will keep spouting...</div> we had the black brian cardinal here in toronto, his name is jerome williams otherwise known as jyd. those kind of hustle guys age really quickly in a 82 game regular season, their bodies breaksdown over the physical strain. trust me he's going to retire before his contract expires
But Cardinal can't play PF, I think the one who leaves is Battier, since we have 3 real great SF and just 2 PF. That will give us an insane interior rotation Pau/Damp, Swift/Ren.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting deception:</div><div class="quote_post">we had the black brian cardinal here in toronto, his name is jerome williams otherwise known as jyd. those kind of hustle guys age really quickly in a 82 game regular season, their bodies breaksdown over the physical strain. trust me he's going to retire before his contract expires</div> What are you talking about? First of all, Jerome Williams is not a black Brian Cardinal. Unlike JYD, Cardinal is a natural scorer, while Williams is a great defender. Cardinal can't play much defense on the flipside and neither can Williams score. Cardinal is more bulk than muscle and Williams is the right opposite of him. Cardinal can shoot the three pointer with great efficiency but Williams can't make a 10-foot jumper to save his life. In fact, the only thing they have in common is that they hustle after loose balls, diving to the floor. This is where Cardinal's bulk will help him. His extra padding at the kneecaps and legs will help him preserve his body, and I can almost guarantee he will last in the NBA until he's 36 or older.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting spud:</div><div class="quote_post">But Cardinal can't play PF, I think the one who leaves is Battier, since we have 3 real great SF and just 2 PF. That will give us an insane interior rotation Pau/Damp, Swift/Ren.</div> I didn't know he wasn't a power forward. I was under the impression that he was. If he plays small forward though, and we have to deal someone; I suggest we deal Mike Miller. Shane Battier is 100% hustle. Every GM would kill for the guy. There's so many positives about him. I'd hate to see Memphis lose him just to free up more playing time for Brian Cardinal.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Voodoo Child:</div><div class="quote_post">I didn't know he wasn't a power forward. I was under the impression that he was. If he plays small forward though, and we have to deal someone; I suggest we deal Mike Miller. Shane Battier is 100% hustle. Every GM would kill for the guy. There's so many positives about him. I'd hate to see Memphis lose him just to free up more playing time for Brian Cardinal.</div> He is more of a combo 3/4. He is not quick enough and does not have the handle to play small forward full-time, but has a better shot than most shooting guards, thus making him quite qualified to play the three. At power forward, Cardinal is too small and his back to the basket game is nowhere near refined, but he can bang inside for 20 minutes a game.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Trip:</div><div class="quote_post">What are you talking about? First of all, Jerome Williams is not a black Brian Cardinal. Unlike JYD, Cardinal is a natural scorer, while Williams is a great defender. Cardinal can't play much defense on the flipside and neither can Williams score. Cardinal is more bulk than muscle and Williams is the right opposite of him. Cardinal can shoot the three pointer with great efficiency but Williams can't make a 10-foot jumper to save his life. In fact, the only thing they have in common is that they hustle after loose balls, diving to the floor. This is where Cardinal's bulk will help him. His extra padding at the kneecaps and legs will help him preserve his body, and I can almost guarantee he will last in the NBA until he's 36 or older.</div> first off, huge misconception: jyd can't defend either. and if u believe cardinal is going to play until 36 your delusional. and btw, i wouldn't classify dudes that can only hit an open jump shot a "natural scorer"
First of all, congrats on getting Brian Cardinal... he'll be a fan favorite as he was here in Oakland. I'd like to interject on a few misconsceptions, first of all to the poster that said that the Warriors used their MLE was incorrect... we have Foyle's Bird Rights so we still have our MLE to use. Cardinal does play both the 3 and the 4 effectively... he has a real nose for the ball and hits the glass with ferver giving you extra possesions that you normally wouldn't get. Although he's not fast defensively, he knows postitioning and takes a LOT of charges and frustrates offensive players with his aggressiveness. He's not just a jump shooter either... he takes it to the hole and makes incredible off balace shots (think Kevin McHale) AND more often than not draws a foul and gets to the line were he is a deadeye. Anyway... again congrats on the signing...
This is not a terrible signing by Memphis but do they really need him? don't they have enough swingmen already? 39 million is quite alot for a guy who will be coming off the bench and won't play big minutes. The amount of years is more of a concern. He's Just another guy added to the "overpaid free-agency list" Whats the deal on Stro Swift? now the Grizzles have used the MLE on Cardinal does that mean they won't be able to match any offer to Swift?
