It sounds like the Suns are trying to trade Marion, and acquire a bigman. I would like to keep Dampier, but if the Warriors are looking to do a sign and trade, I would consider a trade for Shawn Marion, as it looks like he could be available since they have a ton of guards and forwards. I wouldn't mind a Dampier and Dunleavy or Clifford Robinson for Marion and one or two of their young guards. I like Barbosa and I hear great things about Vujanic. So Maybe there could be some type of deal such as Dampier and Cliff(or maybe Dunleavy) for Marion, Barbosa, and Vujanic or Lampe(to add some height to the Warriors roster). Speedy/Barbosa/NVE JRich/Pietrus/Barbosa Marion/(Dunleavy) Murphy/Lampe/Biedrins/(Cliff) Foyle I don't know if it would work capwise, but it would be an interesting deal for both teams. I think the Suns might just have enough cap flexibility right now to make the deal, if Damp resigns at the right amount. And the Suns would be strong with Nash/Johnson/Richardson/Amare/Dampier while getting rid of Marion's contract(which is sorta making me think twice about doing the deal). And the Warriors get a very athletic and growing roster, and they would still keep some cap space with NVE's expiring contract, and I think could possibly have some flexibility next offseason to add some good pieces, while also compete pretty well with the West for the playoffs. Add a Chris Mihm or something, and maybe it could happen this year for the Warriors.
Damp isn't a one year wonder. He's always performed anytime he's gotten 8-10 touches in the post. Although I don't know if he'd get that with Nash, Johnson, Maggette, and Stoudemire on the team. I'd prefer a trade for Artest, but I'd do a Damp and Dunleavy for Marion and a future first rounder.
Yeah Damp never had a pure point guard on his team that could give him the ball. Plus they'd just shoot the ball the minute they cross the halfcourt line and then Damp started pouting while Murphy got all the boards.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting wtwalker77:</div><div class="quote_post">Damp isn't a one year wonder. He's always performed anytime he's gotten 8-10 touches in the post. Although I don't know if he'd get that with Nash, Johnson, Maggette, and Stoudemire on the team. I'd prefer a trade for Artest, but I'd do a Damp and Dunleavy for Marion and a future first rounder.</div> Maggette? Q-Rich? Yes I know he's a decent Center, but a few things we have to note, contract year, and he had Cliff as his PF, now nothing against Cliff but whenever he's the PF on a team the team's center always rebounds better then previously. Look up Ben Wallace when Cliff was there, and even this year he (Ben) had Rasheed for a while another weak rebounder. Dampier is good but definately not worth Marion, not even close.
The point is Dampier can score, shotblock, rebound, and play some tough interior defense, something the suns lacked with Voshkuhl, White, and who was it... Scott Williams?
Yes but if you had Marion, assuming Foyle wasn't a Warrior, would you trade him for Dampier so you could get someone like Q-RIch?
Maybe for cap reasons. Plus you got Joe Johnson at small forward and you want to get the ball to Amare Stoudamire. So you got Nash, Q. rich at shooting guard, Joe Johnson at Forward, Amare, Dampier That's not a bad lineup. Plus you got lots of shooters so Amare and Damp and can work down in the paint or choose to kick out to any of these players for a 3 or a long 2.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting og15:</div><div class="quote_post">Maggette? Q-Rich? Yes I know he's a decent Center, but a few things we have to note, contract year, and he had Cliff as his PF, now nothing against Cliff but whenever he's the PF on a team the team's center always rebounds better then previously. Look up Ben Wallace when Cliff was there, and even this year he (Ben) had Rasheed for a while another weak rebounder. Dampier is good but definately not worth Marion, not even close.</div> Whoops, yeah, I meant Richardson. And yeah, the Robinson thing is pretty well documented, he's a horrible rebounder for his size. But still, Damp led the league in offensive rebounds, and that's not something that you can really say was influenced by Robinson's relative lack of rebounding prowess. Also, the Warriors were in the middle of the pack in terms of fg% and fg attempts, so it wasn't like Damp was getting a lot more chances at offensive boards. And if the question is whether I would trade Marion if it meant being able to acquire Richardson and Damp, given the Suns make up I'd definately make that trade. Marion is sort of like an upgraded version of Jamison. While he's unlike Jamison in that he has a definate position, he's like Jamison in that he isn't really capable of taking a game over offensively. Perhaps I'm wrong, but I don't think Marion has a go to move that would make him a clutch scorer. He's a 20/10 guy that will give you more than enough on the defensive end, but I don't think he'll ever be a guy who can put a team on his back to get a win. Just look at his game log from last year, the Suns were 4-15 (.210%) in games where Marion scored 23 points or more, and they were 9-17 (.346%) when Marion was their leading scorer and this is compared to their total winning % of .353%. That tells me that a couple of things are going on 1) Phoenix doesn't win a lot of games when Marion is taking a lot of shots, and 2) Phoenix can rely on Marion to keep them in games in the 4th quarter. You know, the more I think about it, the less I want Marion. og15, you follow the Suns a lot closer than I do, so tell me if I'm wrong here. But, I do put a lot of faith in stats because they can tell you things that you may not realize just watching games.
Marion is definately not an offensive take over guy, but he'll put up points for you, and he's very good on defense and on the boards, but he's no Kobe, Tmac, Iverson, Pierce, Allen, Carter type player on offense. The thing is that Q is a horrible defender, and Marion and JJ are both very good ones. The Suns could build a defensive team with the exception of Nash, with Barbosa, Marion, JJ, and Amare, but with Q that's just another defensive liability. Well, no Kobe so Q is likely going back to the Clippers, so this porbably won't happen anymore.
The only thing I like about Marion is that he is an exciting dunker. But then again, I have not watched him play very much.
I like Marion because he gets to the foul line and he defends and rebounds. And that'll be important when playing against small forwards that aren't as quick... like Dunleavy for instance.
Marion doesn't get to the line, he uses his athleticism to avoid contacts a lot, just so you know, but he's an amazing rebounder for a SF, crashes the boards on both ends, can hit the outside shot, is great on the break, and is a very good defender.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting og15:</div><div class="quote_post">Marion doesn't get to the line, he uses his athleticism to avoid contacts a lot, just so you know, but he's an amazing rebounder for a SF, crashes the boards on both ends, can hit the outside shot, is great on the break, and is a very good defender.</div> No, but I meant he gets to the line by driving the ball in. Any chance you drive the ball you can get fouled. No one fouls a perimeter shooter unless they're really on a roll. I can understand why Marion wouldn't want to try and inititate contact because he can finish easier without the possible no-call foul or offensive foul if someone bumps him or he tries to bump the defender.
I love Marion, but for all his strengths, he just shoots jumpers too much. If he'd focus on his strengths, he'd get to the line and get a lot more points over the season.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting custodianrules2:</div><div class="quote_post">No, but I meant he gets to the line by driving the ball in. Any chance you drive the ball you can get fouled. No one fouls a perimeter shooter unless they're really on a roll. I can understand why Marion wouldn't want to try and inititate contact because he can finish easier without the possible no-call foul or offensive foul if someone bumps him or he tries to bump the defender.</div> Yea, it's a little annoying at times though, he only gets to the line 3.4 times a game for a guy that can get to the basket, I mean people rip Vince for not getting to the line, but he went 5.7 times a game last season.
Marion would be a good addition to a team that already has a couple estabilshed stars, simply because he doesn't need plays called for him to score. He gets a lot of garbage points because of his athleticism, and he rebounds the ball real well and plays good D.
I think a JRich/Marion duo with a little Pietrus would be scarey, especially if you add Murphy, Claxton, a little Fisher and either Cliff or Dunleavy. But then again that's just my opinion. And I'm not sure if the Suns would do that type of a deal. I just read the Suns are hoping to get Quentin Richardson, and if they got him they'd be willing to shop Marion around for a big man, sorta like Dampier(even though the one year wonder label is sorta going through their minds with Dampier, and that he could just be a stiff again next season). So I was thinking maybe with the addition of Nash the Suns would part with Dampier and Cliff or Dunleavy for Marion and maybe Barbosa, Vujanic, Lampe or some draft picks(some type of a combination of those possibly). Maybe it's just wishful thinking though.
Well I think the Suns offered Q-Rich a contract but the Clipps can still match it and probably will now that Kobe resigned with the Lakers.
