Whether we overpaid Foyle and Fisher or not, the signing is done and we will live through it. So, this is a rough rough view of Warriors. `You have starting center and backup PG. `You have 40 mils to work with. 54 mils is luxury tax threshold and I seriously doubt that Cohan will go over that line. And, we just spent 14 mils on Foyle and Fisher. `Next year, you have to decide on Richardson and Murphy `2 years from now, you have to decide on Dunleavy and Speedy `3 years from now, you have to decide on Pietrus `4 years from now, you have to decide on Biedrins `If you manage to sign all of them, you still need to fill at least 4 roster spots with remaining money, if any. It' s quite obvious that we will not retain all of our young players, because even if we give 6 mils per year for all of our young players, we will have measy 4 mils to deal with 4+ roster spot. Somebody will net a big signing and somebody will be let go. Or, we can screw everything and be a totally different team. What would you do in this circumstance?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Kwan1031:</div><div class="quote_post">Whether we overpaid Foyle and Fisher or not, the signing is done and we will live through it. So, this is a rough rough view of Warriors. `You have starting center and backup PG. `You have 40 mils to work with. 54 mils is luxury tax threshold and I seriously doubt that Cohan will go over that line. And, we just spent 14 mils on Foyle and Fisher. `Next year, you have to decide on Richardson and Murphy `2 years from now, you have to decide on Dunleavy and Speedy `3 years from now, you have to decide on Pietrus `4 years from now, you have to decide on Biedrins `If you manage to sign all of them, you still need to fill at least 4 roster spots with remaining money, if any. It' s quite obvious that we will not retain all of our young players, because even if we give 6 mils per year for all of our young players, we will have measy 4 mils to deal with 4+ roster spot. Somebody will net a big signing and somebody will be let go. Or, we can screw everything and be a totally different team. What would you do in this circumstance?</div> I think I'd shoot myself at this point. No actually I would try to sign Richardson and Murphy both at all costs (we need a big tough PF that can score and rebound and we need a good shooting guard that can create his own shot). Richardson I'd keep for insurance in case Pietrus doesn't pan out as the Ron Artest type player with the whole offense/defense. And if Pietrus becomes a Bruce Bowen type player (which I highly doubt because Pietrus can be a scorer in the mold of Ricky Davis) Here's the thing this year's Spurs even wished they had Stephen Jackson to go with Bruce Bowen because of the lack of scoring. A tough power forward/shooting guard combo can be deadly if you look at (Tim Duncan/Malik Rose with Stephen Jackson/Giniboli and Bowen at SF guarding the best opposing backcourt players) 2 Years So after the Jrich and Murphy signing, I would Drop Dunleavy, Drop Speedy (because I project his injuries will probably get worse as he ages and then he'll probably slow down some too) Hopefully get a young Jameer Nelson in the year's draft maybe or maybe from the previous year. Have Biedrens play small forward on defense with Murph playing small forward on offense. CALL ME CRAZY but it could work since Biedrens is supposed to be the lightning quick Darko Millcic player who is fast enough to guard smaller players. If not play Pietrus as a small forward and hope his long arms make up for his lack of height. 3 Years Sign Pietrus. Maybe sign and trade for a defensive minded forward. Or if he's more awesome than Jrich in every way try to move Jrich. Otherwise wait for the next athletic defensive guard to come along. It's hard to tell what Pietrus can do unless he gets more playing time so I can't make up my mind on whether I want him or Jrich because you know I love defense, but Jrich is one of the best finishers I've seen, especially while in the air getting body bumped. 4 Years Sign Biedrens . Move Foyle (if someone wants the rest of his 2 year contract which I doubt or maybe...) or put him on the bench so Biedrens can shine at Center (he'll probably be a different player with a different body by this time. Hopefully 7'1" and 290 lbs at least). Trade Jrich if Pietrus is the whole package that Jrich wasn't. Oh man we still got Fisher and he's 34. WHY I WOULDN'T SIGN SPEEDY OR DUNLEAVY So even though I love Speedy's game I just couldn't gamble with his health problems it'd be like Grant Hill or Alonzo Mourning situation. Or it would be like getting an old ferrari without insurance and you know old ferarri's can break down pretty easily if you drive it long enough. And Dunleavy I just don't see any value other than his size and the fact he knows where to be when the ball clanks off the rim. He can't hit free throws even though he's a pure shooter, he can't finish over the smaller forwards in the lane at times, he can't hit open shots, he can't defend against quicker forwards, and he turns every team we face into 3-point shootout champs with the way he runs out to contest a shooter. I'd rather have Joe Johnson beause he does all the same things that Dunleavy does (dribbling, passing, court awareness, scoring, everything except for 3 point percentage or rebounding) and he's a better defender. It's too bad Boston wouldn't trade him to us for "the second coming of Larry Bird" or we couldn't get Mike Miller from Orlando for him (although they've already got that Pat Garrity guy so maybe Mike Miller from Memphis for Dunleavy Jr.?). WHY THE LACK OF NUMBERS Anyway, I'm not creative enough with the compensation estimates on future contracts because I don't know how much these guys will go for. So look to Walker/Zhone or one of the other experts who can come up with a good hypotheis for market prices on these guys. Because I won't bother trying. It's a waste of time for me because I'd probably go way too low. You just can't rely on guessing the market anymore with Boozer, Foyle, Giniboli, Everybody getting big long contracts.
next season- depending how Pietrus develops, i think richardson is expendable, plus good shooting guards are easier to find then big men. I would do a sign and trade with richardson. Murphy, is also expendable and I just don't like Murphy becuase I think he's a selfish player, looking to pad his stats. Last season thats all he did was shoot when he touched the ball. Plus he's not a great a defender. If the warriors could sign them for cheap then I'd do it, obviously. But thats not going to happen year after next Sign dunleavy to a small contract, because he's not going to get max. I sign because he could be a great player off the bench, with his ballhandling skills and decision making. I like Claxton, but his injuries scare me so, probably to another 3 year contract, if he doesn't take it he can leave. year after that. Sign pietrus. Its getting hard to predict this far ahead. THe problem I see is if they don't sign Richardson or Murphy next year their going to a lot of talent and their going to be a mediocre team again, but if they do sign their going to want a big contract, one that they probably don't deserve, thats limits the teams abilty to sign their other players to extensions.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Kwan1031:</div><div class="quote_post">Whether we overpaid Foyle and Fisher or not, the signing is done and we will live through it. So, this is a rough rough view of Warriors. `You have starting center and backup PG. `You have 40 mils to work with. 54 mils is luxury tax threshold and I seriously doubt that Cohan will go over that line. And, we just spent 14 mils on Foyle and Fisher. `Next year, you have to decide on Richardson and Murphy `2 years from now, you have to decide on Dunleavy and Speedy `3 years from now, you have to decide on Pietrus `4 years from now, you have to decide on Biedrins `If you manage to sign all of them, you still need to fill at least 4 roster spots with remaining money, if any. It' s quite obvious that we will not retain all of our young players, because even if we give 6 mils per year for all of our young players, we will have measy 4 mils to deal with 4+ roster spot. Somebody will net a big signing and somebody will be let go. Or, we can screw everything and be a totally different team. What would you do in this circumstance?</div> It's 2 in the morning, and I'm buzzed on caffeine... may as well do this tyill I fall asleep. Alright, first, as far as this year goes... As I see it right now, the Warriors have a big decision. That decision is what sort of offense they want to run. Whether they want to rely on speed and fast break ability, or half court sets and superior passing. The major turning point there, I believe, is Mike Dunleavy. I was at the Indiana game, the first game he played PG. I remember thinking, huh, he seems much more interested at that position. Then, he snagged a rebound and brought it to half court. There were two defenders back, I believe, and Richardson was weaving behind them towards the basket. Mike kind of hunched over, cocked his arm back, and snapped the ball a half-courts length directly betwen two converging players for the dunk. After seeing him make that play, you'll never be able to convince me that if he had stability, if he knew he were the point guard, he would be on of the best passers in the league. I liken it to the Oakland A's. They have a shortstop, Bobby Crosby. The beginning of the year, he was doing awful. But because they promised him, "you're our guy," he calmed down and came out of it. So the issue then becomes, are you willing to give up Speedy's, well, speed, in order to capitalize on a possibly all-star caliber point guard in the 6-9 Dunleavy? Because of the fact that the Warriors pick up a solid backup in Fisher, I make the possibly unpopular decision of keeping Mike at the point. The advantage is that you're able to trade Dampier, NVE, and Claxton, all of whom have very high to moderate value. Dampier is an elite center, Claxton is a bright young point guard, and Nick Van Exel if healthy if still every bit the playmaker he's always been. The issue becomes picking up quality players who aren't making too much cash. Portland right now is in dire need of a point guard, much as we are in need of a backup center, unless you want Eschmeyer in there. After a few moments of searching, I can'ts find salary info. So this is all theoretical. GS trades PG Claxton for C Dale Davis Dale Davis is 35, I believe. However, in limited minutes, he's still an extremely good rebounder who can score a little, and he wouldn't wear down as much in a backup role. With Ratliff in Portland, I suspect Dale realizes his days of starting are over, and he could be a big piece here in GS. Now, playing Dunleavy at PG means you need to have Pietrus in to take the opponent's PG on defense. On reason I like that idea is because it allows the athletic Pietrus/Richardson duo to play together, whereas with their evident abilites, it would be a heartbreak to lose one of them due to talent overflow at SG. However, you still need somebody to come in as a backup SF to Pietrus, since you don't want to make Mike uncomfortable by moving him all over the place. Under this plan, he becomes a straight up PG, with Fisher behind him. With Pietrus at SF, you then need a backup SG. Now, at this point, I had two thoughts. LA currently has a pretty good young SF in Caron Butler who I bet they'd sacrifice if it meant netting their new Center in Erick Dampier. The downside is that that makes the Lakers dangerously strong. Kobe and Dampier isn't realistically that much less potent than Kobe and Shaq, since Dampier runs better alongside him. Because of this, I feel it makes more sense to move on the Grizzlies. While a very good team last year, the Grizzlies don't rely on superstar play, and will hence be less threatening to the Warriors on a limited basis. Also, Jerry West has always been a huge fan of Nick Van Exel's game instincts, and I believe he's smart enough to know that Dampier's going to produce for him. GS trades C Erick Dampier and G Nick Van Exel to Grizzlies for SF Shane Battier and G James Posey Posey takes the backup SG spot, and Battier sits behind Pietrus on the depth chart. While Battier is a prime talent, his time in Memphis has probably taught him that you don't need to be a starter to win games for your team. This trade also makes sense for the Grizzlies in that it gives them a great center and a great three point shooter and passer in NVE. While Jayson Williams is also great in those areas, WIlliams is notoriously nervous, while Van Exel is a dead eye in clutch situations. Also, Memphis lacks three point depth. Van Exel gives them that. I heard that Jon Barry is a free agent again. He's currently 35 years old. At his age, and given how much he's bumped around, he can likely be had cheaply. Warriors pick him up as a utility guard. With him behind Richardson, Dunleavy, and Fisher, as well as Pietrus, Robinson, and possibly Murphy, you have an excellent three point shooting team, as well as a tougher defensive team. The Warriors go forward with this lineup. If Montgomery is a good coach, which I pray he is, they win games with this team. They make the playoffs as the Lakers are unable to continue their dominance, and the Kings get weaker with a furthur demoralized Webber and the likely retirement of Vlade Divac. That's my year 1 plan. Next year, you've got Murph and Richardson up. Also, I believe... (?) that Robinson is out that year? As much as I love him, if Biedrens can handle it, he's the 2nd PF. Robinson walks. Murphy should be resigned first, because if Richardson walks, the loss can be smoothed over by moving Pietrus to SG and starting Battier. If it's possible to sign them both, I do it, but I deem Murphy more valuable as this team has developed, as I forsee Pietrus to be on the fringes of excellence at this point, with the work ethic and shadows of superstar capabilities he exhibited at the end of last year. At this point, I have no clue what FAs are on the market, so I can't continue. I think I've conceived a team that can not only be competitive, but mixes young guys with veterans reasonably, and a team that can play defense, shoot, and rebound all exceptionally well.
