Shaq vs. Kobe in the post-season as the leading scorer. <u>NBA Finals vs. Detroit</u> Game 1 -- Shaq 34 / Kobe 25 -- Lakers lose Game 2 -- Shaq 29 / Kobe 33 -- Lakers win Game 3 -- Shaq 14 / Kobe 11 -- Lakers lose Game 4 -- Shaq 36 / Kobe 20 -- Lakers lose Game 5 -- Shaq 20 / Kobe 24 - Lakers lose <font color="Blue">Record with Shaq leading the way 0-3 Record with Kobe leading the way 1-1</font> <u>NBA Conference Finals vs. Minnesota</u> Game 1 -- Shaq 27 / Kobe 23 -- Lakers win Game 2 -- Shaq 14 / Kobe 27 -- Lakers lose Game 3 -- Shaq 22 / Kobe 22 -- Lakers win Game 4 -- Shaq 19 / Kobe 31 -- Lakers win Game 5 -- Shaq 17 / Kobe 23 -- Lakers lose Game 6 -- Shaq 25 / Kobe 20 -- Lakers win <font color="Blue">Record with Shaq leading the way 3-0 Record with Kobe leading the way 2-2</font> <u>NBA Semi Finals vs. San Antonio</u> Game 1 -- Shaq 19 / Kobe 31-- Lakers lose Game 2 -- Shaq 32 / Kobe 15 -- Lakers lose Game 3 -- Shaq 28 / Kobe 22 -- Lakers win Game 4 -- Shaq 28 / Kobe 44 -- Lakers win Game 5 -- Shaq 11 / Kobe 22 -- Lakers win Game 6 -- Shaq 17 / Kobe 26-- Lakers win <font color="Blue">Record with Shaq leading the way 1-1 Record with Kobe leading the way 3-1</font> <u>NBA Round 1 vs. Houston</u> Game 1 -- Shaq 20 / Kobe 16 -- Lakers win Game 2 -- Shaq 7 / Kobe 36 -- Lakers win Game 3 -- Shaq 25 / Kobe 21 -- Lakers lose Game 4 -- Malone was the leading scorer Game 5 -- Shaq 12 / Kobe 31 -- Lakers win <font color="Blue">Record with Shaq leading the way 1-1 Record with Kobe leading the way 2-0</font> People always debate Shaq without Kobe and vice versa, but comparing their stats from last seasons playoffs when they were on the court together. Kobe produced more wins for the Lakers when he lead the team in scoring. The Lakers were only 5-5 in the playoff games Shaq led the team in scoring, while Kobe posted a record of 8-4 as the leading scorer.
nice find and post shape, I think this team has the potential to be good..I htink Odom and Caron have the ability to match Shaqs offensive production, not his presence on the court but they should be able to average 21 ppg combined...Odom is a good rebounder, Caron can pull down some boards...dont be surprised to see this Laker team as a top 5 in the west.
You Are Way Off My Friend Is Not Kobe Stats Vs Shaqs Stats It Is Kobe Without Shaq If Shaq Didn't Play I Would Say You Have A Point But As Long As Shaq Was There You Don't Why Are Ya Laker Fans Keep Saying That The Lakers Are Going To Be In The Top 5 In The West Are Dead Wrong If You Think About It How Will They Beat The Spurs, Min, Houston, Dallas,denver, Sacraento And Phoenix At Least 2 Times Or More To Became In The Top 5 In The West
^ Phoenix?? I agree it will be difficult for the lakers to be top 5, but surely they will be better than Phoenix...
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Oneinpower:</div><div class="quote_post">You Are Way Off My Friend Is Not Kobe Stats Vs Shaqs Stats It Is Kobe Without Shaq If Shaq Didn't Play I Would Say You Have A Point But As Long As Shaq Was There You Don't Why Are Ya Laker Fans Keep Saying That The Lakers Are Going To Be In The Top 5 In The West Are Dead Wrong If You Think About It How Will They Beat The Spurs, Min, Houston, Dallas,denver, Sacraento And Phoenix At Least 2 Times Or More To Became In The Top 5 In The West</div> Obviously the point of the post went way over your head. It has EVERYTHING to do with Shaq being on the court. The point was to show the Lakers are better off in keeping Kobe, because down the end of the season he was the leader for the Lakers, not Shaq. I specifically choose the playoffs because both Kobe and Shaq played on the court and it was during crucial situations. The post-season is the time when players should be at their best, and when Kobe was at his best versus Shaq at his best, in terms of scoring, the Lakers had a better win-loss record with Kobe. Who mentioned anything about the seedings for next season? If you want my prediction you can find it HERE
AS LONG AS YOU ARE COMPARING KOBE VS SHAQ OR SHAQ VS KOBE YOUR STAT CAN'T BE JUDGED WITH THEM BOTH ON THERE SO YOUR Myth Buster IS A MYTH
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Who mentioned anything about the seedings for next season? I DIDN'T BRING IT UP KOBE 8 BALL DID </div>be surprised to see this Laker team as a top 5 in the west.
Phoenix wont be better than L.A....they have Nash, We have Odom...they have Marion, We have Kobe..they have JJ We have Butler...Only thing they have better than us is Amare..and that isnt enough to make them better than us.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Oneinpower:</div><div class="quote_post">be surprised to see this Laker team as a top 5 in the west.</div> One person does not represent the opinions of ALL Laker fans. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Oneinpower:</div><div class="quote_post"> AS LONG AS YOU ARE COMPARING KOBE VS SHAQ OR SHAQ VS KOBE YOUR STAT CAN'T BE JUDGED WITH THEM BOTH ON THERE SO YOUR Myth Buster IS A MYTH</div> ^^ Care to ellaborate what you mean by this? P.S. See the 'Edit' button, try using it sometime.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Oneinpower:</div><div class="quote_post">be surprised to see this Laker team as a top 5 in the west.</div> That is my opinion..Some Laker fans have them as low as 7th in the rankings..I believe they will be a top 5, I dont speak for all Laker fans..
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Oneinpower:</div><div class="quote_post">AS LONG AS YOU ARE COMPARING KOBE VS SHAQ OR SHAQ VS KOBE YOUR STAT CAN'T BE JUDGED WITH THEM BOTH ON THERE SO YOUR Myth Buster IS A MYTH</div> I absolutely have no idea what you're talking about by this quote.
Very nice work, but it doesn't really take into account much. For instance, in the finals, when Shaq was trying to lead the way and Kobe was dead meat, you credit Shaq with an 0-3 record. Couldn't one as easily use these numbers to say Kobe should have helped more in the finals? It's just another example of how you can make numbers say anything you want. How about doing the same chart for Rebounds instead of Points? Or shooting percentage?
[quote name='Oneinpower']<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">One person does not represent the opinions of ALL Laker fans. COME ON YOU KNOW JUST ONE PERSON HAS SAID THAT THE LAKERS ARE GOING TO BE IN THE TOP 5 IN THE WEST. IT KEEPS COMING UP ON ALL YOUR SITES.http://forums.lakersground.net/viewtopic.p...7221&forum=1&12</div> Ok first of all, we don't use that website, and secondly, we don't appreciate spam being presented to our basketball board. Expect to receive a warning.
Personally I see them only finishing as high as the #7 seed with their current roster. Your other statement still does not make any sense. Why can't the stat be judged with both players on the court? Comparing the record of the Lakers with both of them on the court is a more valid arguement then comparing Shaq with or without Kobe. And why? Because the Lakers have never built a team around Kobe and Shaq has not played without Kobe for the last few seasons. So anyone's guess is as good as the next person's. Having Shaq and Kobe on the court, with Kobe as the leading scorer, led the Lakers to a higher winning percentage in the post-season. It doesn't get anymore black and white than that.
