Kobe won't win more titles without Shaq

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  1. Ice

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    <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Kobe Bryant will play the rest of his career with the Los Angeles Lakers, but he won't win another NBA title.

    His ride to a championship has left town.

    Bryant won the battle to control the storied Lakers, helping send Coach Phil Jackson and center Shaquille O'Neal packing, but he's about to discover what Penny Hardaway learned in Orlando eight seasons ago.

    Basketball without Shaq isn't so easy to play.</div>
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    Read all of it before you comment, it's worth it.

    It's not fair to compare Kobe to Hardaway, but the article was food for thought.
     
  2. CWEBBIZZLE '04

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    yeah i reckon kobe wont wim again, he is a FANTASTIC player i men FANTASTIC but he wont win
     
  3. bbwtrench

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    He'll get another title. Not in the next couple years but he will. They will find him a supporting cast to win. Its too early to say he wont win another title. The guy is just 25. Saying he wont is just being naive.
     
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    agreed. Maybe in the 4 or 5 years down the road, the Lakers would have already been built around Kobe making them championship-contenders,maybe even champions. One thing is for sure, Kobe will not be like Penny.
     
  5. mike18946

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    As long as Duncan, Garnett and Yao (If he lives up to expections) are playing, Kobe won't win a title. Big men dominate the NBA, I don't suddenly see that changing.

    As good as Kobe is, he will need another low post threat If he wants to get another ring.
     
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    ya, they probably wont win another ring without shaq, kobe maybe good but i dont see them winning again unless they have another big man that is a good player like shaq or duncan or garnett and etc. but one thing is that i dont think he will be the next penny, well you never know, but i dont think he will turn out to be like that.
     
  7. Ice

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    Allnet pretty much summed everything up.

    It's already a proven fact you need a big man to win in this leauge, unless your name is Michael Jordan. Ever since the Jordan era, it's been all about Duncan, Shaq, KG, etc.

    Unless Kobe gets a big man sidekick, or one helluva a supporting cast, it will be VERY hard for him to win by himself. Lets face it, he's not Michael Jordan, and there will never be another player like him.
     
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    Funny how us Laker fans should read an article from some Orlando ambyssal still trying to get over the Magic's lottery season, sobbing over the loss of his precious Tracy McGrady, so he tries to make himself feel better by smacking Kobe and the Lakers? Very interesting. I don't need to read that piece of crap, but my personal opinion is Kobe won't win a championship this year, that is a fact. Even with the acquisition of players we received from Miami, and Divac now coming to LA, the pieces just don't fit in the puzzle right now, and I expect this Laker organization to go out and get some quality players to fit around Kobe so that he can have a better chance of winning another championship in the years to come.
     
  9. iceman

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    i think kobe wins at least one title [​IMG] (kobe is not hardaway....kobe is better [​IMG])
     
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    Perfectly said.

    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting trenchteam:</div><div class="quote_post">He'll get another title. Not in the next couple years but he will. They will find him a supporting cast to win. Its too early to say he wont win another title. The guy is just 25. Saying he wont is just being naive.</div><u>my opinions fellas</u>

    I also agree that Kobe will get another ring before he retires. and I'm optomistic as Kobe is to go ahead and say he might win two more.

    I mean i believe the Lakers as a tem have so much history that guys will flock to the Lakers in the future.

    And also i believe money and the recognition that players can recieve while in lLos Angelas will probally force guys to move there.

    I truly believe the core guys that the Lakes have now in Kobe, Payton ( veteran leadership), and L.O. could be quite dangerous with a few more tweeks to the roster.

    <u><font size="4">[​IMG]</font></u>
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    <u><font size="4">Kobe will get another ring period.</font></u>
     
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    The Lakers are one of the best Franchises in all of sports. They have always found a way to get things done. I don't see why that would change now. Kobes is much better then Penny ever was but it'll still take him a while to get used to playing with out Shaq.
     
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    One the most recent poll on ESPN with an excess of 40,000 votes, 51% says Shaq wont win another title in Miami. [​IMG]
     
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    well, i think kobe will win another title because the thing about kobe is that hes good, i mean hes great but the only problem with him is he is inconsistent and if he cud work on it and.....well he will be better then jordan cuz when he is on, he scores 40+ points a game and he just takes over and u know what, if he can go out and do it every game he will undoubtely be the best player in the nba and also when at least 2 rings if he can come out and be more consistent

    but i think he will win at least 1 more ring i mean he is only whu 24-25? hes got 10 years left you know so i think chances r in his favor

    but for shaq, in my opinion he is going to go miami and well die out i mean, who is in miami that can be a supporting character

    yes miami will now be a major contender in the east because its the east you know

    but

    shaq-no more rings
    kobe-yes he will get more rings
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting AllNet:</div><div class="quote_post">As long as Duncan, Garnett and Yao (If he lives up to expections) are playing, Kobe won't win a title. Big men dominate the NBA, I don't suddenly see that changing.

    As good as Kobe is, he will need another low post threat If he wants to get another ring.</div>

    Valid point, but other than KG and Yao (if he lives up to expectations), Kobe has a legit shot at the title, just as any young superstar does. I left Duncan off the list, because big men tend to break down faster than the guards, and he's 3 years older than Kobe. Not much of an age difference now, but once Duncan gets past 30, it's going to be downhill for him, while Kobe should be hitting his prime at 28.

    The trend set by the Pistons was to have depth and not necessarily a dominant C or PF. I think the Lakers will find away to build around Kobe, and hopefully he matures more into a team player, like Jordan did, and how KG has done the last couple of seasons.
     
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    ^^^
    but Duncan and KG are basically the same age, so you can't take Duncan off and leave KG on.
     
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    I think KG is a bit younger. He did come into the NBA out of high school. Duncan came in out of college. Im not too sure though. Dont quote me on this.
     
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    That is really fu**** up to say kobe wont win another title in his career and really not true. He has all the talent needed to win another title . He can easily do it if he has a good supporting cast. If he is truly the air apparent to michael jordan he will. Of course imo it wont be this year, but he will win one eventually in a couple of years by him self. I think with the laker team now if they get chemistry they could get a home field advantage seed. Then possible advance in the playoffs.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting trenchteam:</div><div class="quote_post">I think KG is a bit younger. He did come into the NBA out of high school. Duncan came in out of college. Im not too sure though. Dont quote me on this.</div>
    KG is 28 not sure how old duncan is though.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting shapecity:</div><div class="quote_post">Valid point, but other than KG and Yao (if he lives up to expectations), Kobe has a legit shot at the title, just as any young superstar does. I left Duncan off the list, because big men tend to break down faster than the guards, and he's 3 years older than Kobe. Not much of an age difference now, but once Duncan gets past 30, it's going to be downhill for him, while Kobe should be hitting his prime at 28.</div>

    How can you leave Duncan off when he is the same age as Garnett? 2 years difference is basically nothing. I don't see how thats a valid reason why Kobe will win a ring. And I think you have it the other way around, guards are the ones that break down much quicker than big men. That has been proven over the years. Duncan will still likely dominate at age 32/33 as will Garnett. So that point is not really true.

    No guard will ever lead a team to an NBA title, they will need low post help. The NBA isn't like what It used to be.

    I also don't see Kobe becoming that much better than he already is, he will likely stay at the 28/30,6 and 6 level his whole career and should continue to lead his team to the playoffs and get deep into the playoffs many times. However he will need another really good low post threat to win an NBA title. Lets face it, He's no Jordan...no one ever will be. So he doesn't have the abilty to lead a team to a title on his own, you need big men these days to do so. Just like big men can't win titles without decent guards to get them to the ball and knock down open shots.

    <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">The trend set by the Pistons was to have depth and not necessarily a dominant C or PF. I think the Lakers will find away to build around Kobe, and hopefully he matures more into a team player, like Jordan did, and how KG has done the last couple of seasons.</div>

    Depth was a big key to winning the championship but as a PF/C duo, Ben and Rasheed did dominate. Thats why the title is now in Detroit, with Ben and Rasheed being monsters on defense while Ben also showing signs of the offensive end. That was the key in winning it all.
     

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