I caught this on another board, if this is true, this isn't a bad move at all! KGW in Portland has reported the Blazers and Warriors have made a trade tonight! To Portland: Nick Van Excel To Warriors Dale Davis Filler http://www.oregonlive.com/weblogs/blazersblog/ http://www.kgw.com/sports/stories/kgw_0720...ed.a5a49a8.html
the story was just corroborated minutes ago by jason quick of the oregonian, in which davis' agent reportedly stated that a deal is "very close" involving nve for davis and dan dickau. here is dickau's contract (via hoopshype): Dan Dickau 04/05 - $893,400 05/06 - $1,612,587 (team option) 06/07 - $2,402,754 07/08 - $0
yeh, im not understanding this trade at all...how does this necessarily help either team?? Yall have a glut of PFs already with Robinson/Murphy...Portland has a glut of PGs w/o Van Exel in Stoudamire/Dickau/Telfair...
This trade doesn't help us WTF? We ain't taking Dan Dickau. It has to be Sergei Monya, Khryapa or at the very least Ha Seung Jiin. We want the veteran center and the young talent.
It is for Dale Davis and Dan Dickau. Davis will be backing up the Center position not PF. Dickau is the only player that matches up salaries (Davis has a trade kicker)... plus it's a team option on his contract next year so consider him gone. I think personally that it's a brilliant move.... now we don't have to take New York's garbage for Damp.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Warriors Redux:</div><div class="quote_post">It is for Dale Davis and Dan Dickau. Davis will be backing up the Center position not PF. Dickau is the only player that matches up salaries (Davis has a trade kicker)... plus it's a team option on his contract next year so consider him gone. I think personally that it's a brilliant move.... now we don't have to take New York's garbage for Damp.</div> We're always taking Portland's crap it seems. First the coaches and now the players... Mullin is getting screwed majorly if he's only getting Dan Dickau and Dale Davis and not an athletic forward like either of those Russian rookies or Woods. This is just unbelievable...
i'd much prefer monya, khryapa but the warriors can get rid of dickau's contract next season so i'll take it. bringing in another veteran that can play the four or five position, along with clifford robinson, gives them good flexibility in minutes and lessons the burden on robinson who was asked to play a lot of minutes at center last year. both are solid defenders that could be used effectively in shorter stretches, removing the necessity of a guy like nazr muhammad, which at the very least gives them a lot more leverage in negotiations for any s&t with new york or to just scrap the deal altogether. it also frees up the point guard position for fisher to get "starter-like" minutes, without any questions going into the season about nve and minutes at point guard going into the season...i'd take the knowledge of trading van exel prior to the season than having to wait until some time during the season and allow it to get any kind of traction in the media. it basically comes down to what kind of interest there was for van exel, and given his age, health, and contract (expiring, but very exorbitant) and he probably wasn't getting many takers.
I don't mind it at all, it was obvious that VanExel was gone or else he'd be a major distraction, Dale Davis brings us another veteran, big body, a guy who doesn't need shots but does the dirty work, a guy who has been in the playoffs pretty much every year (sans last) and who Mully played with at Indy. It really solidifies our front line, which is very defensive oriented, smart and tough. Dickau as a throw in is perfect as a last resort point, and a guy who can stroke. My only problem with it is Biedrins minutes will suffer a bit, but I think he can learn a lot from Dale on how to bang, he will get to play against two great powerforwards in practice, and really earn his playing time, also since they are using him at the 3 this summer he can get some run there. I had high hopes for Nick last year, I even bought a replica jersey (drunk), I just wish he had surgery earlier in the summer, didn't try to push it back, and was more of a leader. That game against the Spurs was pretty sweet when he kept hitting all those big shots.
If I remember correctly, Dickau was one of the PGs we were thinking about drafting a few years ago. And Dale Davis is the guy Murphy dunked on a few years ago. I love his strong body. He will definately help us out down low. As far as salaries go, this is a good way to cut salaries, get rid of NVE, and clear some room for Speedy and Fish.
I am frankly tired of all the moaning and complaining about these possible trades. NVE was going to rot on the bench anyways. Now we are getting something for nothing. Same thing with Damp. He is as good as gone anyways, why not get something for nothing. It is when we have to include Jrich or Speedy that I get frustrated.
Who is available at SF if we just let Damp walk and not do an S&T? Theoretically it still gives us 8+mil to hunt for someone, right?
Another positive is both of those contracts can end next year if the warriors choose to do so. So basically it gives the warriors temporary help at the center position.
I think this really works for the Warriors. Contracts off the books either way, and Dickau won't complain, he doesn't expect time. If he blossoms under Mully, then we get a bargain. Face it, we were never going to get talent for NVE...if you were Portland, would you include one of your key guys in this deal? Of course not. Meanwhile, we don't need a backup C from NY, so we can hang tough with Damp, and let him walk for cap space, or squeeze NY or Indy for someone good. It's not a blockbuster, but it is a smart trade, and makes sense. My faith in Mully is returning...assuming the deal goes through.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Warriorfansnc93:</div><div class="quote_post">I am frankly tired of all the moaning and complaining about these possible trades. NVE was going to rot on the bench anyways. Now we are getting something for nothing. Same thing with Damp. He is as good as gone anyways, why not get something for nothing. It is when we have to include Jrich or Speedy that I get frustrated.</div> True. I just can't wait for the season to start so we can put an end to the haters' speculation that the Warriors are going to suck more than ever. I think if they got the team chemistry and the coach lets the players come together and play and knows how to organize them when they're struggling, it will be an okay season. We've got the same young core from last year that did well and I think they've learned a few more tricks. They just have to stay healthy and avoid injury like last year.
I sure hope Monty knows what he is doing. If the Warriors bomb, he is going to be my scapegoat. Providing something obvious...
I think NVE would have had more trade value at the trade deadline when teams who are not going to contend want to unload some contracts for capspace, so they can start over. For example last year at the trading deadline, Detroit got Rasheed for nothing. The problem is I don't think NVE would be a good influence to team chemistry if he stayed with the team for the even halfthe season
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting runtmc:</div><div class="quote_post">Who is available at SF if we just let Damp walk and not do an S&T? Theoretically it still gives us 8+mil to hunt for someone, right?</div>I think so. Like Fansince75, Warriorsredux, warriorsfansnc93, Gohn and others are all liking this trade because it creates more options with cap space even after Mullin used about 14 mil this year alone to sign Foyle and Fisher. Then possibly we can hang up on Damp and the Knicks and all other suitors and just grab the last good free agents left maybe. Man we just better get a defensive small forward who is big enough to hang with guys 6'9-6'10. I'm hoping we can get Darius Miles or Rasheed Wallace surprises us and comes on over. We could use a defensive small forward/power forward and then it makes Cliff Robinson a commodity for teams looking to dump cap space by February. I just don't see us getting anything good with Dickau or Davis' short contracts. But I shouldn't complain if its a two for one because NVE is pretty useless when he's not in his right mind. Plus I like giving up on Damp to NY because it makes the NY media look even more incompetent than they usually are. Man I tell you never trust the NY media.
Well, when I first heard this move, I though this as another classic Mullin move; class over b.ball skill. We signed Foyle in a hurry while gave zero chance to Dampier, overpaid Fisher, and now classy Davis over disgruntled and probably more useful NVE. While NVE can play very well, since this is the contract year, we do need a backup center. And, Davis also has one year left, so I guess this isn't that bad deal. I don't know we can make PO next year or not, but we will probably be top 5 classy ball club. Hope that counts for something...
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting runtmc:</div><div class="quote_post">Who is available at SF if we just let Damp walk and not do an S&T? Theoretically it still gives us 8+mil to hunt for someone, right?</div> As far as I know, with Fisher's signing, we will virtually get 0 caproom, if not over the caproom yet...
