I think being the most "classy" works only if the other teams in our conference implode out of bickering and childishness and then suddenly we scoot up ahead because there's Warrior Harmony on the road and at home. I guess I'm getting impatient... Just have to wait and see I guess. But dang this small forward problem needs to be taken care of because Dunleavy couldn't even guard my grandma driving to the hoop. She'd put Shaq points over him. p.s. the trade's gotta be for woods or another player from a third team if a third team is involved. I like Woods's potential, but isn't he a player that needs to refine his offense and defensive game? I'd rather get Darius Miles.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Warriorfansnc93:</div><div class="quote_post">I would love it if DMiles comes here, but I dont think we have the cap space.</div> Dmiles sign and trade with Dampier? Nah that's too hasty. But hey if you want a player that can play 4 positions I think D miles is your guy. He can play some point like Dunleavy, pass, defend, and he's a good shotblocker. I like how his midrange shot improved when he was at Portland.
a television website in oregon is announcing the trade...you have to be a member to read the article, here is the headline and first paragraph... http://www.kgw.com/ Blazers trading Davis & Dickau for Warriors' Nick Van Exel In what is their most significant trade of the off-season, the Portland Trail Blazers are trading center Dale Davis (pictured top left) and guard Dan Dickau to the Golden State Warriors in exchange for guard Nick Van Exel (pictured top right). Van Exel has been described as one of the most exciting backcourt players in the NBA and Davis saw little game time in Portland last season
Does anyone know the rules for signing your own FAs, restricted and unrestricted. Do we need cap room to sign Murph and JRich next year? I think we have to make a qualifying offer to retain rights, but can we match anything offered? I ask because it might make more sense to let Damp walk then to take back contracts, especially if Davis can back up C. We also can get some minutes at C from CRob and maybe Biedrins.
dickau was with the blazers during warmups before their summer league game, but then didn't come out of the locker room... http://www.oregonlive.com/weblogs/blazersblog/ Van Exel to Portland? Update: I arrived at the gym about 30 minutes ago, and Dan Dickau was working out with the Blazers. The team went into the locker room to get dressed, and when it returned, Dickau did not emerge. This indicates to me the deal is done. The trade could blow up in both team's faces if Dickau hurt himself in today's game. The fact that he's not out here is telling.
You do not need a caproom to sign Richardson or Murphy. However, if we go over certain line (like 54 mils this year), we have to pay luxury tax, and that's something Cohan or 85% of owners will avoid. Therefore, we cannot spend money freely...
This trade was good. NVE is a bum and would have been collecting 12 million never even playing. Not only that but this gives us a backup to Foyle. Davis is one strong guy. With Shaq gone in the west, he can hold his own. Not only that but we have a very solid front court. Due to Mullin pulling off this trade, we don't have to take Nazr and Harrington.
GS could of got alot more for Nick than this, Dale "has-been" Davis? and still no good talent back? Has Scott Layden joined the Warriors front office?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AllNet:</div><div class="quote_post">GS could of got alot more for Nick than this, Dale "has-been" Davis? and still no good talent back? Has Scott Layden joined the Warriors front office?</div> Exactly what? As a player, not many teams were knocking the door for NVE. As a salary cap cleaner, Davis is virtually same as NVE...
NVE's only real value was as an expiring contract, so in a sense they've just traded 1-2 mil in cap space to Portland in order to resolve the pg problem. Davis will have just as much trade value as NVE when it comes to the February trade deadline.
not without taking on bad contracts in return, this way we get what we need this year, a tough bruising, scrappy, dirty work type big man who can play minutes as the backup 4 and 5, and he still comes off the books next year, and we get an insurance policy as our 3rd string point, who can nail some j's. I'm sure VanExel's value would have been higher come February, but at a huge detriment to our squad and their overall development and happiness.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AllNet:</div><div class="quote_post">GS could of got alot more for Nick than this, Dale "has-been" Davis? and still no good talent back? Has Scott Layden joined the Warriors front office?</div> <font size="3"><font color="navy">What are you talking about? This was a lateral move as far as salaries AND talent go. Now we have a back up center for Foyle this year and leaves us bargaining from a postion of strength with Dampier/Fegan. How is this even remotely Scott Layden like? </font></font>
That guy was drunk. NVE has skills but is washed up. All we need Davis to do stay healthy, bang the boards and play D. He's in great shape and Van Exel is not. Not only that we still have 9 million dollars expiring. Van Exel is a loser. He has more skill than Fisher but he's like Paul Newman in the hustler, he just knows how to loose. Let Claxton and Fisher work hard and get that Van Exel out of Oakland.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Warriors Redux:</div><div class="quote_post"><font size="3"><font color="navy">What are you talking about? This was a lateral move as far as salaries AND talent go. Now we have a back up center for Foyle this year and leaves us bargaining from a postion of strength with Dampier/Fegan. How is this even remotely Scott Layden like? </font></font></div> A back-up center who is no longer effective, how does this help the Warriors? you got no real talent back for a very good when heathly point guard. Houston, Dallas and New York were among the teams who were looking to trade for Van Exel. He can add alot of different things to a team who are contending. Signing Foyle to a 40 million contract, signing Fisher to 6 years and 37 million were both Layden like moves. Now I see why GS havn't been in the playoffs in a long time. what are you expecting back from NY for Dampier? nazr and Harrington? two back-up big men at best. Certainly not an impressive off-season for the Warriors, wasting their money on very average players and making two very bad trades. Guess Mullin must be well focused on the 2005 NBA draft.
You're right AllNet, what the Warriors really needed was a guy who can get the Warriors a double double from the five spot right? Someone who can block some shots and defend the basket the way Damp could, right? Oh wait, Foyle DOES average a double double when he gets more than 30 minutes a game and he blocks about 3.5 shots as well. Is 10.4 points, 10.6 rebounds, and 3.6 blocks in about 32 minutes a night worth 6.5 mil to you? It is to me. I know you're smarter than just harping on the Warriors for signing Foyle because you saw that he only averaged about 3 points and 3 boards last year. Tell me you're smarter than that. Tell me you're basing your opinion on what you've read on Warriors message boards rather than just the opinion of national writers who don't pay attention to the Warriors. I expect more out of my mods than doing that. As for Fisher, sure the Warriors overpaid for him, but Mullin has repeatedly said he wants character guys on his team. It's becoming apparent that Mullin is building a team like Memphis instead of doing the traditional one or two stars and a bunch of role players thing. And now that the Warriors have Davis, there's really no reason to do the NY deal, since they've got their back up center. Now they can either let Damp walk or trade him for a more valuable commodity. So I would say its one decent FA signing (Foyle), one questionable signing in Fisher, and one average to good deal for NVE. And now we have to wait and see what happens with Damp.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">You're right AllNet, what the Warriors really needed was a guy who can get the Warriors a double double from the five spot right? Someone who can block some shots and defend the basket the way Damp could, right? Oh wait, Foyle DOES average a double double when he gets more than 30 minutes a game and he blocks about 3.5 shots as well. Is 10.4 points, 10.6 rebounds, and 3.6 blocks in about 32 minutes a night worth 6.5 mil to you? It is to me. </div> Sorry but I don't believe the "he does this when he plays 30 minutes" rubbish, he hasn't proven he can get consistant minutes and produce consistantly. If he was really worth all this money he would of started more and be worthy of his contract. Dampier was seemed as very average before this year, so again what was holding Foyle back from actually proven he is worth the praise he is getting? a guy who just block some shots in limited minutes has to show alot more than what he has, to get the money he has gotten. In terms of limited minutes he has shown no more than what Chris Anderson did who alot gets alot of blocks in limited time. I wouldn't complain If Foyle was given around 3 million a year, as for a big man thats more than fair but 40 million? He needs to actually prove he can be consistant and be effective. He was hurt alot last year yet still gets a huge deal, Foyle is nothing more than a very soild back-up. Until he can actually go out there and prove his worth. If he does then the signing is a valid one but there's no real signs that will happen. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I know you're smarter than just harping on the Warriors for signing Foyle because you saw that he only averaged about 3 points and 3 boards last year. Tell me you're smarter than that. Tell me you're basing your opinion on what you've read on Warriors message boards rather than just the opinion of national writers who don't pay attention to the Warriors. I expect more out of my mods than doing that. </div> I don't need to take anyone from the media word for what I actually see. Foyle from the years I have taken notice from him...he is nothing to get excited about. Numbers don't always tell the whole story but in this case you have to factor in what he has put up the last 5 years. If you are good enough you will get very good minutes and people will take notice. But apart from blocking some shots he is not the offensive talent or rebounder that he should be for a guy getting over 40 million. I just fail to believe he can consistantly put up 10,10 and 2 through a 82 game season. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">As for Fisher, sure the Warriors overpaid for him, but Mullin has repeatedly said he wants character guys on his team. It's becoming apparent that Mullin is building a team like Memphis instead of doing the traditional one or two stars and a bunch of role players thing. </div> Ah I see, lets get character guys..because that really is better than winning basketball games and giving the fans a reason to support the Warriors. For Mullin to build a team like Memphis, you need to actually have quite alot of talent who can actually produce consistantly. Goldne State just seem like a team heading for a top 10 pick every season.
