ME this trade will turn around the fortunes of the raptors. my trade about this: dampier (resign 5yr/65 million)+ troy murphy+clifford robinson +speedy claxton for = vince+ donyell marshall+ milt palacio+ jerome moiso here's my idea with murphy and c.robb using the experimental notion of playing cb4 at the three starters dampier © murphy(pf) cb4 (sf) jalen (sg) altson (pg) murphy's natural position is pf but he's a 6 '11 and appears to a bad enough dude to get some controlled minutes at the center spot. and i would play araujo a few minutes of course varying on the competition, i'm guessing he would play more against miami. dampier doesn't have the durability in my opinion to play arduous minutes so i would monitor his minutes closely and play him around 30-33 minutes a game. and pietrus is too much of a talent for them to give him up especially considering that j.rich might leave them in free agency next summer and he?s the contingency plan. bench c.robb aruajo mo pete speedy Raptors.COM Thank you for your feedback. We cannot comment on any personnel transactions; we will have to wait and see what happens with any changes that may be made to the existing team. We at the Raptors are very excited about this upcoming season and are expecting good things from the team under the new management team led by Rob Babcock and head coach Sam Mitchell. Thank you for being a fan of the Toronto Raptors! <font color="red">Title edited. -Franchise</font>
exactly. they took one look at your insane trade idea, and had a good laugh, and humored you with a politically correct response. frankly im surprised they even did that. you want to trade an all-star, a ticket seller...a 22, 5 and 5 a night performer, and a double double machine who can block shots...a couple throw ins all for a handfull of role players??? a point guard, when we already have two...and two more power forwards, one of which is about 2 seasons away from retirement. THEN to top it all off, you want cb4 to play out of position, and stick to the perimeter? plus the main componant in the vince trade is us getting dampier...who you yourself says doesnt have the durability to log big minutes in the middle...and you want to throw 65 million at him??? once again, your hate on for carter has totally clouded your judgement
Man, you gotta stop posting your ridiculous trades just because you hate Vince so much. You not liking Vince is one thing but at least post an intelligent trade that would benefit both teams and not just because you want to get rid of Vince. Dampier has never had a good season in his life aside from last season when it was a contract year. Ask around in the Warriors forum and you'll find that most fans will say that they're not at all upset that he's leaving as they have seen him put little or no effort day-in-day outside of last season. Even though Foyle has a lot less talent, he plays hard and gives 100%. Not the same can be said about Dampier.
This trade would be reasonable if Bosh didn't have to play the 3. Dampier and Murhpy are solid players, and do a great job rebounding, but we still don't have a player on that roster than can score with a fair amount of ease and take over games. Not to mention that would force Bosh to play the 3, which I don't like at all (especially when he said he wants to gain 12 pounds this summer). You have the worth for Vince correct, but we would still be in the lottery because of lack of scoring (remember, Dampier and Murphy average 10-12 pts each). This deal doesn't suit us at all, it would if we could have a legit scorer in return, and a mediocre center. In no way can Bosh play SF for 82 games, he only experimented it for about 10 minutes in a summer league game. His natural position is PF and I'd like him to stay that way.
its a brilliant basketball trade, we acquire size while giving us roster and cap flexibility. u guys don't understand trends, the new trend is depth and this basketball decision would give put us in the top 3 in depth behind detriot and memphis. superstars especially manufactured superstars are so yesterdays news. nevertheless, my intention of the post was to fill u in on their reply, i was intrigued by it.
you have to realize something...vince is only yesterdays news and manufactured superstar in your opinion. just because you say its that way, doesnt make it so. depth is one thing you need yes...something else you need is scoring and that proposed trade only gives us rebounding. id rather have donyell then either cliff or murphy. id rather have bosh at the 4 and donyell at the 3. at least he's got experience at that position. lol @ brilliant btw
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting dj_premium_plus:</div><div class="quote_post">you have to realize something...vince is only yesterdays news and manufactured superstar in your opinion. just because you say its that way, doesnt make it so. depth is one thing you need yes...something else you need is scoring and that proposed trade only gives us rebounding. id rather have donyell then either cliff or murphy. id rather have bosh at the 4 and donyell at the 3. at least he's got experience at that position. lol @ brilliant btw</div> clearly u haven't seen murphy or c.robb play, murphy can get u 15 boards on any given night while c.robb can get 20 points on any given night. moreover, speedy can share point guard duties with rafer allowing alvin to play at the two. btw, u wouldn't understand brilliance
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting deception:</div><div class="quote_post">clearly u haven't seen murphy or c.robb play, murphy can get u 15 boards on any given night while c.robb can get 20 points on any given night. moreover, speedy can share point guard duties with rafer allowing alvin to play at the two.</div>Murphy is injury prone. C. Robb is a power foward that likes to hang out on the perimetre. Obviously you don't watch enough basketball if you expect him to score 20 a game (that was back in his portland days), 13-15 is what you can expect. Why would we want Alvin at the 2? We cant even count on him to be healthy much less count on him to start at the 2. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting deception:</div><div class="quote_post">btw, u wouldn't understand brilliance</div>And you would? This trade doesn't even work out salary cap wise much less basketball wise. We already have a future stud in Bosh. There is no need to bring in aging foward, and injury-prone 4, an injury prone Speedy Claxton and an underachieving Centre to the Raptors. Not for our two most solid players last year.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting deception:</div><div class="quote_post">clearly u haven't seen murphy or c.robb play, murphy can get u 15 boards on any given night while c.robb can get 20 points on any given night. moreover, speedy can share point guard duties with rafer allowing alvin to play at the two. btw, u wouldn't understand brilliance</div> Sure, Carter's value is right, but the Warriors are still getting raped. They already have J-Rich and Pietrus at the shooting guard spot, so what makes you think they would add another in Carter? Also, who would start at power forward for them? Biedrins is not ready and Moiso should start? Come on... If you're that brilliant, why didn't you get Babcock's job then? <font color="Red">Warning -- PERSONAL ATTACK</font>
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting deception:</div><div class="quote_post">clearly u haven't seen murphy or c.robb play, murphy can get u 15 boards on any given night while c.robb can get 20 points on any given night. moreover, speedy can share point guard duties with rafer allowing alvin to play at the two. btw, u wouldn't understand brilliance</div> i certainly didnt see murphy play last year since he was injured almost the whole season. c.robb is CAPABLE of getting 20 points a game, but hasnt avg'd it in about 8 seasons or come close. "clearly" you havnt watched him play by the same logic, vince is capable of scoring 50 points...so why should we let him go? face it...there is no scoring in that trade idea. ps. im fully aware of what brilliance is...just not when your applying the term to your lame trade ideas. if it was so brilliant, then why is the majority of the people reading it not bowing at your "brilliant" idea?? let me guess...everyone is wrong except you? lol
Yea this would be a good trade if: 1) Positions didn't clash, we're getting 2 PF's in this, and Bosh can't play the 3, stop thinking he can, it will slow his development, Drew Gooden tried it. 2) Positions again, we get another PG, and not only that, he's injury prone too. 3) If we trade Carter to Golden State Mickael Pietrus should have to be in the deal 4) Dampier is considered by many to be a one year wonder, and he's also 30 years old 5) This doesn't really give us hope for the future, and instead of giving us depth it gives us a crowd of players at the PF position, we'll look like New York in the Soctt Layden days. 6) Our depth at the 2 and likely 3 will have decreased a lot from this. 7) Cliff Robinson is close to retiring, and he's a good defensive, but horrible rebounding PF that launches three's all day. Troy Murphy is not injury prone, he just had one injury year, he played 82 and 79 games before this year.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting og15:</div><div class="quote_post">Yea this would be a good trade if: 1) Positions didn't clash, we're getting 2 PF's in this, and Bosh can't play the 3, stop thinking he can, it will slow his development, Drew Gooden tried it. 2) Positions again, we get another PG, and not only that, he's injury prone too. 3) If we trade Carter to Golden State Mickael Pietrus should have to be in the deal 4) Dampier is considered by many to be a one year wonder, and he's also 30 years old 5) This doesn't really give us hope for the future, and instead of giving us depth it gives us a crowd of players at the PF position, we'll look like New York in the Soctt Layden days. 6) Our depth at the 2 and likely 3 will have decreased a lot from this. 7) Cliff Robinson is close to retiring, and he's a good defensive, but horrible rebounding PF that launches three's all day. </div> interesting analysis, i agree with some of the points u make. however, the ny knicks were flooded with expensive, aging pf?s, whereas the raptors would have a young, inexpensive and much more athletic set of power forwards. if i remember correctly, u would replace c.robb with pietrus, right? thats negotiable but i think pietrus might come at a lofty price since j.rich might flee for greener pastures next summer in free agency. and i don't think dampier?s year was a contract aberration season, this dude is capable of dominating opposing centers especially in the undersized east. i agree, age is a concern but i would give him only a five year contract at the end of which he would be 35, not too old.. if we made the trade, we would only have 2 pg's since i don't consider alvin a point.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting deception:</div><div class="quote_post"> if we made the trade, we would only have 2 pg's since i don't consider alvin a point.</div> Clearly, I'm getting in on this conversation a little late... and really don't have much to offer that hasn't already been said. I just want to point out that just because "you don't consider" alvin a pg, doesn't mean he isn't. Where has he played the majority of his minutes as a rap? And also... that "intriguing" response you got from Raps.com seems as generic as it gets. I'm not so sure a person even replied, as opposed to an automated response. But yeah... good luck with those trade rumours. They make me laugh.
Ya I agree, what's so intriguing about that response? It seems like typical generic response that they send to any roster suggestions they receive. I'm sure if you said I would like to trade Jalen, Vince, and Bosh for Avery Johnson you would get the same reply?!?!?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting jenike:</div><div class="quote_post">Ya I agree, what's so intriguing about that response? It seems like typical generic response that they send to any roster suggestions they receive. I'm sure if you said I would like to trade Jalen, Vince, and Bosh for Avery Johnson you would get the same reply?!?!?</div> lets assume its generic, its a prepared response indicating to me that they often receive trade suggestions. doesn't that surprise u?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting jenike:</div><div class="quote_post">Not really. Does that surprise anyone else?</div> it doesn't surprise me that vince carter is your favourite player either. u vince sycophants are spreading the anti-deception propaganda throughout the forums. i think vince is some kind of extraterrestrial leader and u's are the army assembled to defend him. i'm saving the universe from these alien invaders on the raptors forums all by myself, DIE ALIENS!!!
not really. there are a lot of fans proposing trade ideas which make no sense salry cap or basketball wise for the raptors
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting deception:</div><div class="quote_post">it doesn't surprise me that vince carter is your favourite player either. u vince sycophants are spreading the anti-deception propaganda throughout the forums. i think vince is some kind of extraterrestrial leader and u's are the army assembled to defend him. i'm saving the universe from these alien invaders on the raptors forums all by myself, DIE ALIENS!!!</div> very logical......its all a conpiracy against you
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting deception:</div><div class="quote_post">it doesn't surprise me that vince carter is your favourite player either. u vince sycophants are spreading the anti-deception propaganda throughout the forums. i think vince is some kind of extraterrestrial leader and u's are the army assembled to defend him. i'm saving the universe from these alien invaders on the raptors forums all by myself, DIE ALIENS!!!</div> lmao! your arrogance is pretty funny. if you think anyone cares that much about you or your opinions, give your head a shake. just because everyone here disagrees with your ideas and opinions, that automatically makes all of us "vince sycophants". iv critisized vince plenty of times when its needed...so have plenty of others. your tired repetitive arguments are nothing more then laughable
