<div class="quote_poster">Quoting jiggax23:</div><div class="quote_post">Like previously stated, tmac was a kid when he was in toronto, and he didnt get a chance to play right away like kobe. And to say he sucked until he went to orlando because only did good cuz he HAD to is a compliment to the guy showing how he carried the team to multiple playoff seasons with a squad that was pretty much crap. Pair him on a better team and he becomes crap huh??? never heard that theory before... i guess cassell had his worse season ever this year cuz he was paired with a superstar in KG, and in turn that made him a worse player right? good logic, you've shed the light on us all</div> Go check my other post...you're wrong.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting realdealbneal:</div><div class="quote_post">In fact, McGrady started 17 games his rookie year, averaging 18 minutes a game. His scoring average was 7.0 PPG. Kobe's rookie year, he started only 6 games...averaged 15 minutes, 7.6 PPG. That's with a scoring monster on his team named Shaq. So what? McGrady was young? That doesn't mean much. If McGrady is scoring 30 PPG by himself, and Kobe is close behind him (in 2002-2003 especially)...then I wouldn't be bragging much if I was T-Mac, because he can't share the ball. His average is shot up...once he's with Yao, he'll average under 22 PPG, especially with Jim Jackson around. Kobe had Payton, Malone and Shaq...putting in 24 PPG is incredible, when Shaq had 20 & Payton/Malone had about 28 together.</div> who cares what they did their rookie year, lebron averaged 20+ ppg his rookie year, that must make him better than kobe right away. and with stars on your team, it makes it easier for you to score... whether u realize that or not, its true... talk about what they can do individually... tmac has shown he can carry a team by himself, kobe has not.... 1 bad year for tmac does not nullify the 3 other years he took his team to the playoffs
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting realdealbneal:</div><div class="quote_post">Only a kid? So what? LeBron was only a kid when he joined the league, also. Garnett was. What is your point? Are you trying to say that a young star can't enter the league and be good? Kobe was right out of high school, right? He didn't get hardly any opportunities to play his first two years, yet in the Rookie game during the All-Star break, he set the rookie game record with 31 points. What's your excuse for that? Wait...Kobe was just a kid then.</div> Don't you ever care to think some players take a while to show their true skills? KG, Kobe and Mcgrady all did around the same as rookies, and did decently as rookies. But for you to say If Mcgrady was so good why didn't he start dynasty in Toronto? don't you realise how stupid that sounds? he was a kid just like Kobe and Garnett and they certainly didn't have any dnyasties. You seem to forgot Kobe never got any titles till L.A hired Jackson Whats Kobe's excuse for not winning as "kid"? hmm...try thinking before you make such statements. What Kobe did in a rookie game is totally pointless, those games are all about high flying dunks. No defense and basically It's just for the fans. Pointing that out just to try and prove a point is completely worthless. If you keeping making statements like you have in this thread people will think "ah, Kobe groupie...his opinion should never been listened too"
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AllNet:</div><div class="quote_post">Don't you ever care to think some players take a while to show their true skills? KG, Kobe and Mcgrady all did around the same as rookies, and did decently as rookies. But for you to say If Mcgrady was so good why didn't he start dynasty in Toronto? don't you realise how stupid that sounds? he was a kid just like Kobe and Garnett and they certainly didn't have any dnyasties. You seem to forgot Kobe never got any titles till L.A hired Jackson Whats Kobe's excuse for not winning as "kid"? hmm...try thinking before you make such statements. What Kobe did in a rookie game is totally pointless, those games are all about high flying dunks. No defense and basically It's just for the fans. Pointing that out just to try and prove a point is completely worthless. If you keeping making statements like you have in this thread people will think "ah, Kobe groupie...his opinion should never been listened too"</div> Agreed all players develope there skills at different speeds. Jermaine Oneal didnt perform well at all his first couple of years playing under a deep bench in portland. Yet he is really good now. Tmac is a all star player and will do well in houston of course not average as many points still in the high 20's though. Saying he isnt a good player like realdealbneal is saying is basically doing what he previously stated that he hated when another user posted something. Kobe is a great player no one is denying that. Who cares what happened a players first couple of years in the NBA its history. Jordan his second NBA season only played 18 games do people call him injury rittled because that happened earlier in his career. No ! Because he proved he wasnt with the other seasons in his career. Mcgrady had to play under VC in toronto not being able to display his true talents. Sonce then he has gotten 2 scoring titles to say he will become a medicore player now is ignorent.
Maybe you guys don't understand something. When I say, "The Lakers will do good in 3-4 years" or be that next dynasty, that's my opinion. You don't have to go attack me about Kobe Bryant. That's all you guys do. If I changed my signature and avatar, you guys wouldn't even have commented on what I said. On the other hand, you assume that everything I say is based on Kobe Bryant. I am the one that doesn't need to listen to opinions, because all I do is state what I believe to be true. If that's a target for you all to change the thread into a Kobe vs. McGrady topic, that's fine with me. Don't go putting the blame on me for it. And for jiggax23, who cares what they did their rookie year? Well...you're the one that said McGrady didn't have any opportunities his rookie year...so obviously you did care, until I proved you wrong. Some of you need to get your heads fixed. Back on topic...obviously the dynasty will be McGrady and the Rockets because McGrady is the king of hoops. He succeeded tremendously in his years as a Magic superstar, and as his stint as a Raptor. Only time will tell how great this guy will be. Now is my opinion cherished by everyone? Yay.
mediocre <div class="quote_poster">Quoting realdealbneal:</div><div class="quote_post">Maybe you guys don't understand something. When I say, "The Lakers will do good in 3-4 years" or be that next dynasty, that's my opinion. You don't have to go attack me about Kobe Bryant. That's all you guys do. If I changed my signature and avatar, you guys wouldn't even have commented on what I said. On the other hand, you assume that everything I say is based on Kobe Bryant. I am the one that doesn't need to listen to opinions like yours, because all I do is state what I believe to be true. If that's a target for you all to change the thread into a Kobe vs. McGrady topic, that's fine with me. Don't go putting the blame on me for it. </div> People shouldn't care If you say Lakers may be really good in 3-4 years the problem is you discrediting how good a player T-mac is and how he will fail in Houston. I had no problem with your Laker statement even though I don't agree that the Lakers will be a championship team in that time. I had no problem with what you thought will happen. It's the fact you try and act like Mcgrady only puts up the numbers because of the lack of talent that was around him in Orlando. And how he will suddenly become a mediocre player when quite frankly will not happen.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AllNet:</div><div class="quote_post">People shouldn't care If you say Lakers may be really good in 3-4 years the problem is you discrediting how good a player T-mac is and how he will fail in Houston. I had no problem with your Laker statement even though I don't agree that the Lakers will be a championship team in that time. I had no problem with what you thought will happen. It's the fact you try and act like Mcgrady only puts up the numbers because of the lack of talent that was around him in Orlando. And how he will suddenly become a mediocre player when quite frankly will not happen.</div> Then you're talking to the wrong person...because I ONLY said that the Lakers could do it. There are others saying Kobe will be the loser...what do you expect me to say back? I'm used to this though...that's fine.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting realdealbneal:</div><div class="quote_post">I'm going to say the Lakers again, within 3-4 years.</div> <div class="quote_poster">Quoting jiggax23:</div><div class="quote_post">im going to say... HAHAHAHA to that next dynasty will probably be houston... since tmac, being better than kobe to begin with, has the next best thing not named lebron to play alongside</div> There you go.
Just to clear this up a Dynasty is a team that has won atleast 3 consecutive Championships. If a great combo, such as T-Mac and Yao. do great and dominate in the regular season 3 years and only win 1 one championship, and get a couple of division titles in there...it does not make them a dynasty. Just felt like making this clear.
One person laughed at the idea but the uproar you started was you stating Mcgrady would be a mediocre player in Houston purely down to the fact he was on a team in Orlando that only had 1 scoring option which meant there was no one else to score. You didn't factor in the great skills the guy has and thats why he was still successful.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AllNet:</div><div class="quote_post">One person laughed at the idea but the uproar you started was you stating Mcgrady would be a mediocre player in Houston purely down to the fact he was on a team in Orlando that only had 1 scoring option which meant there was no one else to score. You didn't factor in the great skills the guy has and thats why he was still successful.</div> Whatever...like everyone saying Kobe was a champion because of Shaq, right? When McGrady never wins another scoring title ever again, I'll be smiling. Kobe almost did two years ago...with Shaq on his team. Haha...oh well, I better get a new favorite player so my posts will become credible once again...back to topic.
[quote name='realdealbneal'] And for jiggax23, who cares what they did their rookie year? Well...you're the one that said McGrady didn't have any opportunities his rookie year...so obviously you did care, until I proved you wrong. Some of you need to get your heads fixed.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting realdealbneal:</div><div class="quote_post">There you go.</div> I personally think that kobe and tmac are equal players. Taking out the shaq factor of the problem. People should not under rate kobes play because of shaq and you should not under rate tmac's talent to try and further support your case in tring to defend kobe. Personally I dont think that peoples opinions on the players they like should ever have a factor in a statement made by the person. I just think its best we get this topic back on track now before it becomes a tmac kobe arguement.
Honestly I don't think T-Mac will do very well in Houston. It looks great on paper, but I'm not sure if he has the qualities that the Rockets need to become a dynasty. They need a Kobe-like player, and McGrady is the closest they're gonna get. But he's lacking in determination and mental toughness, which is a very big deal. Houston needs a strong leader, someone who inspires and makes his teammates better. And I'm not sure McGrady is a great candidate when he's lacking all of those qualities. Not to mention he might not wanna share with Yao. Remember how he left Toronto to get out of Vince's shadow and run his own show? Then again, I've only seen him play in Orlando, with no talent around him. Maybe he'll flourish in Houston. I just don't think the T-Mac/Yao combo can beat the Sam/Spree/Garnett trio, or the Parker/Duncan duo...
HEheheheh a T-Mac vs Kobe argument. WEll actally a argument where Kobe fans say T-Mac sux. KOBE = T-MAC FOR CRYING OUT LOUD! On-topic: I think the Spurs are still a dynasty. They already started it and will only continue as Tim Duncan is around. Tony Paker and Ginnobili will only get better. Brent Barry only adds to it. The Spurs are the Dynasty now not the Lakers.
next dynasty....well the closest one i can think of is the Spurs no one seems to like them but they can win 3 in a row i believe even though i dont want to see that cuz they make for some really boring finals Tmac/Yao will flourish not this year but a cpl of years down the road....right now, their depth is really weak and Yao isnt even completely developed yet....hes good but hell be much better down the road as for tmac, this guy seems like someone who gets moody depends on if hes losing or winning.....what if the rockets have a losing year, is he gonna start moaning and crying again? that is one of the reasons i do not like his personality his game howver is a diff topic and i think he is a very talented player but i dunno how he will handle Yao cuz he will have to give the ball to him....Yao should also deman it more....i see him avging 24 just like Kobe last year as for the kobe vs. tmac thing, u guys just need to give it up, that could go on forever, it all depends on opinion but to say that Tmac will be just a mediocre player in Houston is proposterous.....i will guarantee u he will be an allstar
The next dynasty is the Pistons. I dont have to say how, and why they won it this year, we already know. But the fact is, we'll be a lot better next year, and the next. Set aside a couple of bench players, the whole team is young, and still getting better. Not to mention in a couple years, Darko will be playing. Theres no reason why the Pistons shouldn't be the next dynasty. They should dominate the league for the next 7 years.
May sound far fetched, but I reckon Denver: C- Marcus Camby PF- Kenyon Martin SF- Carmello Anthony SG- Voshon Lenard PG- Andre Miller They were good without K-Mart, theyre gonna be great with him. Heat will be another I reckon
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting NTC187:</div><div class="quote_post">May sound far fetched, but I reckon Denver: C- Marcus Camby PF- Kenyon Martin SF- Carmello Anthony SG- Voshon Lenard PG- Andre Miller They were good without K-Mart, theyre gonna be great with him. Heat will be another I reckon</div> Maybe, but you'll have to give them atleast 2 years to win it. That team can't contend with strong defensive teams right now though, and they lack perimeter defense.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting realdealbneal:</div><div class="quote_post">Let me ask you something. You've got a problem with guys that have Kobe as their favorite player, and you call them a Kobe nutlicker. Well, what if my favorite player was someone else you didn't care for? Just because you don't like a player doesn't mean you have to run your immature mouth to everyone that does like that player. When are you ever going to control what you say? All you ever do is go around and try to intimidate posters that don't agree to your opinions...well, that's pretty sad. It only shows your mentality, that you can't debate a topic without shooting for someone's throat. To argue anything with you is just a waste of time, because everyone knows what to expect from you...and it's all BS.</div> Funny how you say that you only expect BS from me when you yourself throw up some serious BS like Tmac = mediocre player.... I don't go around intimidate people that are reasonable Kobe fans. Only those who are blinded by his nuts. I mean come on, how can I take whatever you write with any degree of seriousness nor intelligence when you write crap like Tmac = Mediocre player? That's like saying, take AI to a team with a big man and he's a mediocre player. Give Pierce to a real big man and he'll be a mediocre player. Are you kidding me? Nobody will ever call Tmac a mediocre player wherever or whoever he plays with. And I'm not even a Tmac fan! I'm actually a little skeptical about him being in the Rockets. Oh, and I don't need a 'mature debate' when the topic I'm debating really is something as obvious as the earth is not flat.
