Duncan is better fundementally. But I think Garnett has more fire in him than anyone in the NBA. His desire to win cannot be matched. And whoever said Duncan played with just role players better get their head out of the gutter. David Robinson was one of the best centers of this era. In his fourteen NBA seasons he won a Rookie of the Year Award, a rebounding title, a scoring crown, a Most Valuable Player Award, a Defensive Player of the Year Award, ten All-Star selections, four selections to the All-NBA First Team and four selections to the NBA All-Defensive First Team. Although back and foot injuries limited him to just six games in 1996-97, he bounced back to All-Star status in 1997-98, averaging over 20 points and 10 rebounds a game and shooting better than 50 percent from the field -- something he has done in each of his healthy seasons. In 1998-99, he modified his game so that Tim Duncan could fully blossom, and the result was the most effective Twin Towers in NBA history and the Spurs' first NBA title. He was still averaging 18pts with Duncan as the "Main Focus". 1999 & 2003 NBA World Champion NBA MVP 1995 College Player of the Year in 1987 Named one of the NBA's 50 Greatest Players of All-Time 1996 NBA Defensive Player of the Year 1992 NBA Rookie of the Year 1990 5 time winner of the IBM Award: 1990, 1991, 1994, 1995 and 1996 1994 NBA Scoring Title 1991 NBA Rebounding Title 1992 NBA Blocked Shot Title All-NBA First Team four times (1991, 1992, 1995 and 1996) All-NBA Second Team twice (1994 and 1998) All-NBA Third Team twice (1990, 1993 and 2000) Only player in NBA history to be named to both an All-NBA Team and an NBA-All Defensive team in each of his first seven NBA seasons. A 10-time All-Star Named NBA Player of the Week 15 times and NBA Player of the Month 4 times Won the NBA Rebounding Title in 1991, the NBA Blocked Shots Title in 1992 and the NBA Scoring Title in 1994 (he and Kareem Abdul-Jabbar are the only two players in NBA history to win each of the three titles) Named to the NBA All-Defensive First Team four times (1991, 1992, 1995 and 1996) and the All-Defensive Second Team four times (1990, 1993, 1994 and 1998) Only male basketball player in U.S. history to appear in three different Olympic Games; was the leading scorer on the 1996 Team which captured gold in Atlanta, was a member of the 1992 Team that won the gold in Barcelona and the 1988 Team that won the bronze in Seoul. 1987 Pan American Team and the 1986 USA World Championship Team 1999 Montblanc de la Culture Award, the first athlete and youngest recipient in the award's history Member of both the San Antonio Sports Hall of Fame and the Texas Sports Hall of Fame Honored with the 2001 NBA Sportsmanship Award Sporting News 1999 Good Guys in Pro Sports Awards 1998 Inductee World Sports Humanitarian Hall of Fame Scored 71 Points in 1994 Registered Quadruple Double in 1994 The Spurs all-time NBA leader in games, rebounds, blocked shots, assists and both FT made and attempted and is second in franchise history in points and both FG made and attempted
Oh give me a freakin break...1999:noone believed a team with Avery Johnson as their starting PG would ever win it all , Elie was in his last yrs of his career and noone wanted him , Elliott was on the downside as well , Rose was not the same player he is today trust me he couldnt make a jumpshot if his life depended on it back then , samaki walker sucked like he does now , do I even have to say anything about Jaren Jackson and Jerome Kersey?They werent very good lets leave it at that...Robinson was solid at that time but he was far from being the guy who once scored 71 points in a game and won multiple awards , he was losing his athleticism and his back problems were beggining so stop bringing up all his previous acomplishments which by the way he got before TD arrived. 2003arker was inconsistent even more so then he is now-are we forgetting what happened to him in the finals? , Stephen Jackson-be honest did any of u even know this guy prior to 2003?He was a journeyman that noone wanted , Bowen is all defense , and like all the "great spot-up shooters" that have played alongside TD , gets open looks from the double teams Duncan draws , and lets be honest 2003 Robinson wasnt any better then Rasho.The bench had Manu , Rose , and Speedy the rest were hardly even used-Kerr had his moment in the Dallas series but he didnt do much more. Put KG with the Spurs and they suck , cause KG doesnt draw as many double-teams...which is what those "great spot-up shooters" rely on.Bottom line is TD has won titles and KG hasnt , he had talent this yr and didnt win anything either so all ur "he didnt have any help..." arguements are useless. By the way , what the f' does their style of play have to do with whos better?Yeah KG is flashier and more exciting , but last time I checked that doesnt make u better. Just ask the greatest basketball mind in the world , Larry Brown , who the best player in this planet is...
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Vintage:</div><div class="quote_post">^ Hey.....respond to my post as well. Id like to see what you have to say to my post, in which I replied to yours....</div> I don't really want to reply to your response, but I suppose I have to. About the all the 1st round exits and KG having a good team, I will answer by saying " If you switched the 2, and Duncan was on the Wolves, are you saying he would have led them further?" I'd like to know. "I don't care if Garnett hoists up a prayer thru all 5 defenders. Its still worth the same amount as a Tim Duncan bank shot." Really? What you said there makes no sense when I was comparing the two's skills. Duncan can't do half the stuff KG can!!! That says something about the skill, but you apparently aren't paying attention to what I was talking about, you just wanted to say that TD was better. Are you stupid , or do you just have to disagree with me? Did I say he was Reggie Miller? NO. It was just a little comparison, no need for everyone to take it so damn seriously. " KG will dunk on anyone. So could Harold Minor. Or JR Rider." Can you please explain what those 2 have to do with this? I though we were talking about Duncan and Ganett, in which case Garnett is definetly a capable post prescence. Just because he doesn't stay in there doesn't mean he wouldn't be good at it? Do you not realize that? Do none of you realize that? They don't have the same play style. Their post skills vary, and I happen to think that the way KG plays post is much more skillful and better than TD's. I happen to respect a player who does more moving/ fast paced post game. More dunking and blocking. Not staying in the same general area and doing little hook-shots. "Who cares if Garnett puts more energy into a rebound. In fact, I am not sure thats a good thing. Id rather have my player make a simple rebound and exert his energy elsewhere" Who cares? Apparently only his fans. Garnett always gets the rebound because he catches it about 2 feet above everyone else. If you don't repect that or think it's valuable I really don't even care. "Dynamic shotblocker? For his career, Garnett averages 1.78 bpg. Duncan averages 2.53 bpg. Id rather have my player make a simple block shot, keeping the ball in play, knocking it to a teammate(much like Bill Russell did) than send a ball into the 5th row." Whoa, an entire 1 block more! Heh, ok. FIrst, not many people can or even want to control where the ball goes after they block it. About the averages, Garnett's are aways at the right time, at a crucial time, where the block really matters. If your gonna block the shot, hit it hard, I say. Thats just one part to the dominant player KG is, the blocked shots he lays down can be a huge moral effect on both teams, and any player that can shape the attitudes of the other players is a good one. KG takes a shot the player is sure is going in, and sends it into the 5th row. Is there something wring with that? That is nothing but a benefit in every way! "Perhaps Garnett could show Duncan how to lead a team to a mass collection of first round exits.....?" Again, go ahead and switch the 2, and well see how far TD gets. Go ahead and disagree with all of that, I don't care.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting 9SA21SPURS20:</div><div class="quote_post">Oh give me a freakin break...1999:noone believed a team with Avery Johnson as their starting PG would ever win it all , Elie was in his last yrs of his career and noone wanted him , Elliott was on the downside as well , Rose was not the same player he is today trust me he couldnt make a jumpshot if his life depended on it back then , samaki walker sucked like he does now , do I even have to say anything about Jaren Jackson and Jerome Kersey?They werent very good lets leave it at that...Robinson was solid at that time but he was far from being the guy who once scored 71 points in a game and won multiple awards , he was losing his athleticism and his back problems were beggining so stop bringing up all his previous acomplishments which by the way he got before TD arrived. 2003arker was inconsistent even more so then he is now-are we forgetting what happened to him in the finals? , Stephen Jackson-be honest did any of u even know this guy prior to 2003?He was a journeyman that noone wanted , Bowen is all defense , and like all the "great spot-up shooters" that have played alongside TD , gets open looks from the double teams Duncan draws , and lets be honest 2003 Robinson wasnt any better then Rasho.The bench had Manu , Rose , and Speedy the rest were hardly even used-Kerr had his moment in the Dallas series but he didnt do much more. Put KG with the Spurs and they suck , cause KG doesnt draw as many double-teams...which is what those "great spot-up shooters" rely on.Bottom line is TD has won titles and KG hasnt , he had talent this yr and didnt win anything either so all ur "he didnt have any help..." arguements are useless. By the way , what the f' does their style of play have to do with whos better?Yeah KG is flashier and more exciting , but last time I checked that doesnt make u better. Just ask the greatest basketball mind in the world , Larry Brown , who the best player in this planet is...</div> What does the rings have to do with it? Some may think its everything, but thats truly wrong. Put KG on the spurs and they suck? He doesn't draw as many double-teams? Are we talking about his rookie season? Or did you mean that KG draws triple-teams instead of doubles? Sorry, but they coudn't win right off the bat with their new players, and the team was a lot more injurey-plagued last year than most people realize. Everyome will be healthy next year, so maybe we can talk more baout the 2 teams when the season starts.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Really? What you said there makes no sense when I was comparing the two's skills. Duncan can't do half the stuff KG can!!! That says something about the skill, but you apparently aren't paying attention to what I was talking about, you just wanted to say that TD was better.</div> Wait, so KG is better than basically every big man to play the game because he can do things they can't? So I guess Ben Wallace is the worst Center to ever play the game... Duncan doesn't do the things KG does because he's better in the paint. He doesn't have to speed by opponents or throw up turnaround fadeaway jumpers with 3 guys in his face. You think if Garnett could get two points like Duncan can he'd still go through all that trouble? They're different players, and you have to acknowledge that. If Garnett's post play was on par with Duncan's then KG would be better no doubt. But he isn't as good, and if you think he is you better pay more attention. Anytime you compare two players you compare their effectiveness, not what they can and can't do. Until KG scores a boatload more, shoots a better percentage, gets more blocks, lead his team somewhere, whatever, he's not gonna be "100% better than TD". <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Whoa, an entire 1 block more! Heh, ok. FIrst, not many people can or even want to control where the ball goes after they block it. About the averages, Garnett's are aways at the right time, at a crucial time, where the block really matters.</div> So he just saves all his shotblocking powers until a really crucial time?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Herbal-Tea:</div><div class="quote_post">Wait, so KG is better than basically every big man to play the game because he can do things they can't? So I guess Ben Wallace is the worst Center to ever play the game... Duncan doesn't do the things KG does because he's better in the paint. He doesn't have to speed by opponents or throw up turnaround fadeaway jumpers with 3 guys in his face. You think if Garnett could get two points like Duncan can he'd still go through all that trouble? They're different players, and you have to acknowledge that. If Garnett's post play was on par with Duncan's then KG would be better no doubt. But he isn't as good, and if you think he is you better pay more attention. Anytime you compare two players you compare their effectiveness, not what they can and can't do. Until KG scores a boatload more, shoots a better percentage, gets more blocks, lead his team somewhere, whatever, he's not gonna be "100% better than TD". So he just saves all his shotblocking powers until a really crucial time? </div> WTF? Where did I say that he is better than every big man in the game? WTF are we bring Ben Wallace in here for??? I don't know what your talking about and I'm not sure you do either. KG needs to score a boatload more and get a better %? WTF!? Are you crazy? I don't know if thats possible. Saves his shotblocking powers untill a crucial time? What? You are stupid. PLease come back when you have accurate facts and even know what the subject is.
KG-MVP its obvious your a KG bias. So TD on the wolves would suck? nice one. Ya you also said KG saves his "dynamic " shot blocking abilty when his team really needs it. Thats just retarded. The true sentence of a KG fanboy.
LIke I said. Duncan better fundamentals. KG. Plays with much more passion....... Both great players, had to compare the two....
i wanna stick up for KG-MVP, but i can't.... he's sounding like SCBrian right now... come on KG-MVP lets be real here
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting KG-MVP:</div><div class="quote_post">WTF? Where did I say that he is better than every big man in the game? WTF are we bring Ben Wallace in here for??? I don't know what your talking about and I'm not sure you do either. KG needs to score a boatload more and get a better %? WTF!? Are you crazy? I don't know if thats possible. Saves his shotblocking powers untill a crucial time? What? You are stupid. PLease come back when you have accurate facts and even know what the subject is.</div> Look, it's not that hard to understand what I'm saying is it? Read my two posts on this thread. Don't try to sidestep them by saying stuff like WTF!??!?!?! If you really need an explanation for what I said.... You said KG is better than Tim Duncan because he can do so many more things than TD right? Because he can make throw up those crazy turnarounds right? I was responding to your statement that "Duncan can't do half the stuff KG can!!! That says something about the skill..." You were basically saying that KG is better than Duncan because he's versatile and can do a lot of things Tim can't right? I responded by saying that just because you're versatile doesn't mean you're more effective than others. Therefore I said KG must be better than most of the big men to have ever played because he's more versatile according to your logic. That's where Ben Wallace comes in because he's not versatile, but he's still effective. It was an example. I then went and explained again the differences between the two players and why I think Tim is more effective. Then I said KG needs to do more to be "100% better than Tim Duncan" as you stated earlier. Therefore he needs to score more, rebound more, block more, win more, etc. As for the shotblocking comment... You said that KG's blocks are dynamic and that he doesn't get as many blocks because his come at crucial moments. Get real, a guy that has the ability to supposedly make crazy blocks whenever the game's on the line decides to not block as often because he wants to save it? Do you understand all of that? You should take your own advice about accurate facts, because I've provided them in my arguments. Until you can fully respond to my posts with something constructive you're just gonna come off as a KG biased fanboy.
That's ok, I am a KG biased fanboy BUT I can do nothing but laugh at how stupidly most of you interpret things and make them out to be something else. "As for the shotblocking comment... You said that KG's blocks are dynamic and that he doesn't get as many blocks because his come at crucial moments" ok, dynamic is just an adjective, if it somehow offends everybody, or they dont know what is means replace "dynamic" with "good". I really don't know wtf you guys are talking about with "makes shot blocks at crucial moments" DO.....you.... understand....that.....? What I said was that he often makes -o wait I better replace the big wording- "GOOD" shot-blocks and often they are "HELPFUL" because they are often more than a block on some random, relatively unimportant shot....o..k..? I Never said anything about some "amazing shot-block power" that he turns on in "clutch". If you guys maybe go back and look you'll realize its a figment of your imagination. MAybe if you can go back and look maybe if you read it again, and maybe use the dictionary, get out the Thesaurus, get help from a parent,phone a freind, maybe even ask Jeeves, untill you actually undestand what was written, then maybe we can talk. Because no one yet has instead just been able to peacfully and constructively disagree with me. INstead you would rather think im an idiot fanboy who knows nothing. My post was an opinion, and you all have gotten way to worked-up about it , whether because your are incapable of understanding it, or are in turn a Tim Duncan fanboy.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Ace2k2:</div><div class="quote_post">KG-MVP its obvious your a KG bias. So TD on the wolves would suck? nice one. Ya you also said KG saves his "dynamic " shot blocking abilty when his team really needs it. Thats just retarded. The true sentence of a KG fanboy.</div> The tru post of an idiot. Tell me now, did you really not read the posts or are you just a moron? MAybe you'd quote where I said that Tim Duncan on the Wolves would suck? And maybe you can go get a little help on in what way I said that KG has a cluthc shot-blocking ability? Thanks in advance.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting KG-MVP:</div><div class="quote_post"> or are in turn a Tim Duncan fanboy.</div> Herbal-Tea aint a Tim Duncan fan boy. See his favorite play thing? His favorite player would be Tim Duncan if he were possibly. Your name says it all. KG-MVP. Im not a Duncan fanboy either. I mean I like him but hes not my favorite or anything. I have never seen a Duncan fan boy on this site yet. I have only seen Kobe fan boys and KG fan boys. Imo Tim Duncan is better BECAUSE OF HIS EXCELENT POST PLAY. KGS post play isnt that great ya know. KGs more of a oversized SF than a PF anyway.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting KG-MVP:</div><div class="quote_post">That's ok, I am a KG biased fanboy BUT I can do nothing but laugh at how stupidly most of you interpret things and make them out to be something else. "As for the shotblocking comment... You said that KG's blocks are dynamic and that he doesn't get as many blocks because his come at crucial moments" ok, dynamic is just an adjective, if it somehow offends everybody, or they dont know what is means replace "dynamic" with "good". I really don't know wtf you guys are talking about with "makes shot blocks at crucial moments" DO.....you.... understand....that.....? What I said was that he often makes -o wait I better replace the big wording- "GOOD" shot-blocks and often they are "HELPFUL" because they are often more than a block on some random, relatively unimportant shot....o..k..? I Never said anything about some "amazing shot-block power" that he turns on in "clutch". If you guys maybe go back and look you'll realize its a figment of your imagination. MAybe if you can go back and look maybe if you read it again, and maybe use the dictionary, get out the Thesaurus, get help from a parent,phone a freind, maybe even ask Jeeves, untill you actually undestand what was written, then maybe we can talk. Because no one yet has instead just been able to peacfully and constructively disagree with me. INstead you would rather think im an idiot fanboy who knows nothing. My post was an opinion, and you all have gotten way to worked-up about it , whether because your are incapable of understanding it, or are in turn a Tim Duncan fanboy.</div> Oh I'm sooo sorry no one can constructively disagree with you! Give me a break, no one called you KG biased until you started sounding like a fanboy. Read the thread over champ.... I'm not even gonna get into your latest post. You're blatantly ignoring any argument that makes sense and now you're just insulting people because you can't come up with anything. This is what biased fanboys do when they can't convince other people that their player is god. I happen to think TD is better than KG... I have nothing against KG and I'm not a Duncan fanboy. I'm not anyone's fanboy period. You wanna know what I am? I am done with arguing with you. This stopped being a discussion since the first WTF comment.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting KG-MVP:</div><div class="quote_post">I don't really want to reply to your response, but I suppose I have to. About the all the 1st round exits and KG having a good team, I will answer by saying " If you switched the 2, and Duncan was on the Wolves, are you saying he would have led them further?" I'd like to know. </div> My whole point about the early exits was to illustrate the fact that Garnett is not a better leader than Duncan. Duncan is a very, very good leader. As is Garnett. You keep saying how great KG's leadership is....well, I was proving where his leadership lead them. My intent was simple. To show that Garnett isn't a better leader than Duncan, as you claim. Heaven forbid if both could be good leaders. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> "I don't care if Garnett hoists up a prayer thru all 5 defenders. Its still worth the same amount as a Tim Duncan bank shot." Really? What you said there makes no sense when I was comparing the two's skills. Duncan can't do half the stuff KG can!!! That says something about the skill, but you apparently aren't paying attention to what I was talking about, you just wanted to say that TD was better. </div> This was your exact quote: <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> But lets compare their skills in a breakdown. Jumper: No doubt they both have a good jumper but KG's is better, no contest. Take a look at some of the shots that KG takes. He may be tripple-teamed and facing the opposite way to the basket, and throw it up while getting mobbed. And make it. Duncan also has his own array of amazing shots as well, but Garnett is extraordinary. </div> And like I said....I don't care if Garnett does that. Sure, its got more flair than a Duncan bank shot. But its still worth the same. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> Are you stupid , or do you just have to disagree with me? Did I say he was Reggie Miller? NO. It was just a little comparison, no need for everyone to take it so damn seriously. </div> Are you stupid? Did I say that you said he was Reggie Miller? No. I said he wasn't as clutch as Reggie Miller. Huge difference. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> "Who cares if Garnett puts more energy into a rebound. In fact, I am not sure thats a good thing. Id rather have my player make a simple rebound and exert his energy elsewhere" Who cares? Apparently only his fans. Garnett always gets the rebound because he catches it about 2 feet above everyone else. If you don't repect that or think it's valuable I really don't even care. </div> And Duncan doesn't get rebounds? Sure, they may not be two feet in the air above everyone else....but he still is very adept at it...just like Garnett. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> "Dynamic shotblocker? For his career, Garnett averages 1.78 bpg. Duncan averages 2.53 bpg. Id rather have my player make a simple block shot, keeping the ball in play, knocking it to a teammate(much like Bill Russell did) than send a ball into the 5th row." Whoa, an entire 1 block more! Heh, ok. FIrst, not many people can or even want to control where the ball goes after they block it. About the averages, Garnett's are aways at the right time, at a crucial time, where the block really matters. If your gonna block the shot, hit it hard, I say. Thats just one part to the dominant player KG is, the blocked shots he lays down can be a huge moral effect on both teams, and any player that can shape the attitudes of the other players is a good one. KG takes a shot the player is sure is going in, and sends it into the 5th row. Is there something wring with that? That is nothing but a benefit in every way! </div> And thats the problem. Its a lost art. Russell was very good at blocking a shot and keeping it in play to a teammate. It not only prevents the opposing team from scoring, but gives you an opportunity to score. Knocking it to the 5th row gives the opposing team another chance to score. Given the choice, Id rather knock it to my teammate. Let's say the game is tied at 70. Garnett blocks the ball, sending it to Sprewell, who runs the court for a dunk. TWolves lead 72-70. or Garnett sends the ball into the 5th row. The other team inbounds the ball, and the opposing team nails a jumper on the inbounds play. Opposing team leads 72-70. The difference in this scenario is a 4 point swing. That's why I believe its important.
KG-MVP, i think alot of the reason why people are "attacking" you is because you totally downplayed duncan, and used words to describe KG that seemed to mean another thing to those who criticize you, but something else to you... i kinda get what your getting at, but you do have to realize that alot of what you said of duncan is untrue, and alot of what you said about garnett is exaggerated to an extent... like the reggie miller thing, but u clarified yourself later and said you were just using it as an example, but the way you stated it made it sound like you were making him the heir apparant to reggie... the way you words things, i have a hard time figuring out at times, and sometimes dont understand it altogether until you clarify it later.... put some more time into quality posting rather than making quick and lengthy posts that dont give a whole piece of your mind
You guys can keep overrating the players Duncan has played with , but in reality they werent any better then what KG had...KG just wasnt even close to TD until 2003 , all the previous yrs it wasnt even a comparison.Duncan was better period , and thats the reason his teams got further not cause of supporting casts.Now its closer , but KG still hasnt done jack and until he does TD is and should be on top. KG has the athleticism , the versatility , the flashines but boring old Tim Duncan has the jewelry and in the end thats what seperates the great players from the good ones...
duncan doesn't need to take 20 shots to have a good game, this is evident as garnett averaged at least 20 field goal attempts per playoff game. Duncan vs Memphis took 68 shots throught the whole series and made 40 of them. Duncan is a gauranteed 50% shooter. Garnett sometimes has periods where he keep taking shots tilll he gets his flow on. Not taking nething from Garnett, he is amazing period as he shot exactly 50% in the regular season, but duncan can get it done without much touches of the ball. They both got heart, i'd say garnett has more because he shows more emotion but Duncan has a lot too, he's just a lil too shy to show it. Duncan is for sure the guy who you'd want if u started a new franchise as u no that he could average 20, 10, 3-4 every game shooting a gauranteed 50%. Just think about it, more than half ur shots made during an intense playoff game, that is just madness. Garnett has off games once in a while, but duncan only has them when facing shaq. No one can truly beat shaq 1v1, no one not even garnett. Only way Garnett scored on him was to fadeaway. So when duncan faced shaq in semi, he couldn't help but shoot 47% which is not half ass bad. He had malone on him for two games and he got posterized. But when they decided to double team him with SHAQ and malone, it definitly got a lot more difficult. Duncan all the way, not a lot of quickness or hops, but has moves and strength.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting 9SA21SPURS20:</div><div class="quote_post"> KG has the athleticism , the versatility , the flashines but boring old Tim Duncan has the jewelry and in the end thats what seperates the great players from the good ones...</div> not neccasrily.....just cuz KG doesnt have a ring YET u cant possibly class him as just a "good" player they are both great in thier own rights (imagine them on a team)....rings shouldnt even be compared right now, do that comparison after both of thier careers are done Scott Burell and Randy Brown picked up rings with the bulls, does that make em better then KG?
Wow a lot of emotion pouring out here, so I'll keep mine short and simple. TD was the better player over the first five years and reached his prime faster, hell he's a little older. KG is reaching his prime later and will post better numbers. I wait until their carrers are over until I make a final call. Then I will count rings and things of that nature. You can't count greatness in the middle of their carrers, you never know what might happen. You could have said that Grant Hill was one of the greatest his first few years, but we all know he's not going to the Hall of fame. TD is a an old school PF with the fundamentals and whatnot, KG is the new millenium. KG is currently the only 20, 10 and 5 player, TD has two rings. If they would have switch teams they would have produced similar results, so I'm out. Peace!
