what current player would you like OFF the RAPS!

Just wondering what current Raptor people would want traded, released/waived or bought out or whatever else can be done to ensure the player doesn't dress for the 04/05 season. So i would just ask people to nominate bums and justify why they would like to see off the team? I expect to here archibald mentioned a few times.

For me its Jalen Rose i think he is cancerous to the team, he's over paid and past his prime. It just seems to me with alvin williams, Rafer alston, roger mason jr, mo-pete, VC. we have some capable 1,2 positional players. also i think it would free up room for marshall to play some 3 and maybe bosh? Also including lamond murray in the regular rotation. I doubt we could trade Rose for much, but for me i would just love to see him and his contract in another uniform.

 

I agree seeing Rose traded would be good if we could get some one that could help. I wonder if there is some way for the raps to swing a deal with Washington to bring in Jamison.

 

^ I would love Jamison on our team but it's not gonna happen. The only player we can trade to match his contract is Jalen's but no team will trade big for small.

As for Rose, it was either him or having AD (who's pretty much done) and I would much rather have Rose. Sure he's overpaid but he's the only decent second scorer we've had for a while. Rose is also good to keep Vince on his game because he'll get on him if he's not playing well.

As for the question, I want Moiso gone, he has not shown me anything in any of the minutes he's gotten. Same goes for Milt Palacio. He has no shot so teams just end up not guarding him at all and he still can't hit a jump shot. We can't have him running the second unit anymore, it's just ugly.

I'm not a big fan of Mo Pete either, he's way too inconsistent for my liking. But he has improved his defence significantly so he could be good in our second team, I just don't want him starting for us.

 

well, first and foremost, I would love to see Jalen Rose gone. He has such a contract worth twice as much as him, and he is one of the players that hinders our success. I know i'm dreaming, but i too would love to see Antawn Jamison a raptor along with Vince, that would be great. I knoww he is the second option on the team though, and that is why I know we cannot trade him.

There are two other players I would love to see gone, Morris Peterson and Milt Palacio. Both are way too inconsistent, MoPete just hoists up baseline jumpers rather than sacrifice his body in the land of the giants and try to draw a foul. Milt Palacio will drop 11 and 5 one night, and 0 & 1 on the other.

At this poinnt, I just want 4-5 players putting up decent numbers and with consistency, not washed-up, 3rd string player(s) who cannot shoot (Palacio)

 

Jerome Moiso. This guy is never prepared for a game. He's not even ready for a pass and he's lazy on both ends of the court. Replace him with a player who is contrary to him. Heck, if it's Joel Prysibilla, so be it.

 

There are two players I blieve the raptors should trade first let be start with alvin williams. Since the 2001 season he has been on a pure down fall in his career do to injuries and other issues his game has suffered badely. He can not even shoot the free throws as good as he used to because he doesnt get to the line nearly as often do to his reluctance to take the ball inside of fear of getting hacked and re-injured.

Another player I want off the team badely is got to be Lamond Murry. He has done nothing for the team in his time there except be out of shape and used sparingly in the offense. He even has had trouble with managment and requested a trade from the team at one point though that I can understand do to the 8 man roatition that the ex raptors coach used.

I believe the raptors could trade either of these players if they wanted to mabye even in a package to get rid of there two contracts and possibly get a big man to play the center spot for them. Or at least someone half decent that could play the 4 as a back up for bosh since marshall isn't that good on defense.

 

I don't see why everyone is hating on Rose's contract, overlooking his production and passing skills in the process. While I don't deny the fact that he is overpaid, Rose is the only guy on our team other than Vince Carter who can score with ease. Without Rose, the Raptors would be basically just like the Celtics with only Paul Pierce being able to score on a consistent basis. Bosh is not at that level yet, and Marshall is streaky.

The guy I would like to see of the team is Murray. He is also overpaid, and is a lazy player with a huge ego. He couldn't cope with coming off the bench last season, so he started bitching and became a cancer to the team. With Mo-Pete matched and Alvin Williams healthy, it's reasonable to think that Murray won't get more than 10 minutes on a regular night.

 

murray and moiso. reasons as above. rose might be past his prime but hes still a support for the team off the court, anddont forget his clutches. hes got the heart and the cool mind you need.

 

money aside...i like rose, i think he brings a presence and energy / attitude that the team needs, and that VC needs for energy...

i like that babcock and mitchell is giving the whole team a fresh start, clean slate to prove them selves....now there's no excuses for anyone on the team, murray had a full year to rebound from his injury / lack of playing time, and let's see how the players respond to a new coaching style and mentality...

i say give the season about a month to determine who stays and who goes...

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Trip:</div><div class="quote_post">... and Marshall is streaky. </div>

Man, i was with you until you said that... Marshall was only THE most consistent Raptor last season (with the exception of the streak towards the end where he struggled).

I'll pick the obvious choice in Milt for my removal... he shoots enough bricks to build his own Palacio Projects... and takes WAY too much time setting up the offense... as stated above, he doesn't demand a defender to play him, thus giving the opposition an advantage...

In terms of Rose... I love him as a player... but hate his contract (like most Torontonians, or Raptors fans). I think his vocal leadership is essential, since that quality's been lacking since the departure of Oak...

I see a resurgence of Lammond... to some degree... he won't avg 16 ppg... but i think he'll be a key component off the bench (he'll be getting more than 10mpg, assured) (the 2/3 rotation will be Jalen + Vince [starters], and Mo + Lammond [benchers])

 

^ agreed, you could pretty much count on Marshall's double-double every single night (with the exception of the couple of bad games he had in a row). He was the most consistent player we had last year, no contest.

I can deal with Murray just because of who we traded to get him (his name escapes me right now but he was even more useless than Murray), which is saying a lot.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">agreed, you could pretty much count on Marshall's double-double every single night (with the exception of the couple of bad games he had in a row). He was the most consistent player we had last year, no contest.</div>
Wasn't that when Carter and Rose were out, and as we all know, Marshall can't vreate his own shot well, he had no one to pass to him, couldn't do much.


Jalen Rose would be my first option, I didn't even want him when we were trading in the first place, yea it's harsh but I just didn't.
I don't think that will happen, so I want us to get rid of Milt Palacio and Robert Archibald.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Eclipse:</div><div class="quote_post">I can deal with Murray just because of who we traded to get him (his name escapes me right now but he was even more useless than Murray), which is saying a lot.</div>

As if Michael "Yogi" Stewart isn't the most memorable player in the NBA... definitely headed for the H.O.F...


<div class="quote_poster">Quoting og15:</div><div class="quote_post">Wasn't that when Carter and Rose were out, and as we all know, Marshall can't vreate his own shot well, he had no one to pass to him, couldn't do much.

Jalen Rose would be my first option, I didn't even want him when we were trading in the first place, yea it's harsh but I just didn't.</div>

Everyone was already back... and we were making a push to sneak back into the playoffs (fighting neck and neck with Philly, Cleveland and Boston...)... He was consistent all year, except when we needed him most... and he knew it... just couldn't get outta the funk.

In terms of the Jalen comment... would you rather have AD and his sulking/aging knees?? I know I wouldn't. I wish we had Jalen for his true value... about $5M.

(oh... and I'm pretty sure Arch is a FA, not expected to be back with the squad)

 

can we get rid of 15 players here?!
anyway top five:
1 - lamond murray (someone would take him for a future pick)
2 - milt palacio (alvin, rose, and strickland can hold down the point)
3 - jerome moiso (if he opened his eyes he may make a shot)
4 - alvin williams (used to be my number one but declining fast)
5 - ?michael curry? (don't mind him but retire already)

As for the Jalen Rose haters out there, who was the only one to be injured on the sidelines for every game cheering and giving advice to players. Ya that was Jalen. Who was the only one to wear raptors headbands and shoes, once again that was Jalen. I agree that he is overpaid but there is such a thing as a salary increase as you become a vet. This guy lives basketball and if we get rid of him along with VC i think i will become a WNBA fan.

 

why does everyone want rose gone?? a player who can play 3 positions and is probably the second most talented player on the team and who can drop 20 points any given night, give you 8 assists any given night, and probably put up about 7 boards if used right. Jalen will be a key part to this team having success next year, he can drive shoot and pass, Jalen Rose will be a team leader if Carter is injured, and you need to realize that this guy can ball, why trade someone like jalen. if you ask me, the player we need to get rid of is Milt Palacio, terrible shooter passer he's slow and he's fat, get him outta here, we have rose, alvin, strickland, and skip to hold down point, every time he gets in the game, it slows down to a point where raptors play boring n out of control, he has no purpose on the team. but never ever should you say to get rid of jalen rose, no matter how much you hate him, if you didnt kno wat whu he was but watched basketball, you wouldnt say "oh lets take a guy off the team who puts in a solid 16 ppg and drops about 5 apg and start some one who has career averages of 4ppg and 3apg(Milt)
think about wat your saying, if your a raptors fans, u'll suk up ur jalen hating and realize that without him, our record wuld b worse

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Man, i was with you until you said that... Marshall was only THE most consistent Raptor last season (with the exception of the streak towards the end where he struggled).
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I hardly think he is consistent. Marshall went on fire when he first came to the Raptors from three, but after our winning streak was halted, he basically lost it, hardly having 20-point games anymore, even though he was still a strong rebounder. Marshall lacks the ability to create his own shot and has no back-to-the-basket game, so I wouldn't say that he would be fit to be our secondary scorer, even if he was able to make 5 threes every game. He is nothing more than a strong rebounder on defense, and a spot-up shooter on offense.

 

how can u guys say rose! hes the 3rd best player on the team. if he didnt hae that injury then the raptors would of definatly of been in the playoffs. anyways i would say mosio he is jus so lazy

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Swiftnicity:</div><div class="quote_post">As if Michael "Yogi" Stewart isn't the most memorable player in the NBA... definitely headed for the H.O.F...
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Yogi!...that was his name, still can't believe we signed him to that 3yr/12 million contract.

 

I would want to trade Lamond Murray. Even though his contract is up soon, I don't like his approach and mentality. Last year, even though he had nothing to play for because he knew he would play for KO next year, when he entered late in a blow out game, he just jacked up shots. He had open teammates, and all he does is take a couple of a steps and shoot. If not that, he'll drive, draw an offensive foul or try to make a crazy layup that Vince Carter wouldn't make.

Everyones hating on Jalen because of his contract. The fact is, the guy helps you wins game. Without him there is no 2nd option. He's our best post player, maybe 2nd best now with Rafael, and he has good passing skills. He has a very good mentality towards the game and can play multiple posistions fluently. If we were to trade him, we wouldn't have a 2nd option to Carter. As Trip said, we'll be just like the Celtics with only Paul Pierce being able to score on a consistent basis. The players we would get back in his deal wouldn't be worth Jalen Rose, and we would be worse off and not among the elite in our division.

 

i dont want lamond murray, cause it doesnt seem likr he wants to be on the team. well we have a new coach but still i want him gone. also moiso, he's useless, same as palacio, all they do is hurt our team. also i dont know why everyones hating on jalen like Banks above said, he's our second to third option and he makes the team keep on track like when he always cheered on when he was injured.