Since I figured this would be a highly debated topic from Chicago fans, I figure I'll start it. I'm wondering which one of the 2 you would start, as this is assuming they each battle for the starting SF job. I go with Nocioni. He's got more experience, as he's been playing overseas for a few years now. From what I hear, he's got great range and is very explosive. And, to me, Deng might not be ready. He came out after his freshman year and really didn't get a taste of what it was like. I think he can produce, but, I'm not sure. He's a great shooter and all, but, is he going to have the big playmaking ability to do things off the dribble and what not? I go with Nocioni cause he has proven himself overseas and is regarded by many as the best player that was not in the NBA. I think he's NBA ready, or at least moreso than Deng. Go with him. If it doesn't work out, you could always switch, but, go with him first.
Well since the question is who would I start that you are asking I will say I start deng. I dont know much about this other guy or how he will fit in with the nba game his first season. With Deng I have seen him in college and through out his career so i know what he will give me. Also Deng was a lottery pick at 7th overall and he is coming out of duke a school known for winning tradition he is averaging 15 points in your summer league and dominating all compatiton also from the little I have heard form this other guy I get the sence he is a shooter. So he would be a good guy to give some instant offense off the bench for the bulls. Deng on the other hand has a good post up game so if he starts he will be able to work on that and get confidence to get into the flow of the game and perform well. IDK about everyone, but I like the front line of Chandler, Curry, and Deng or Chandler, Davis, and Deng better because they offer more size and versitility and can offer matchup problems for the other team in favor of the bulls.
i say nocioni i saw nocioni play many times with the argentina team and for his spain team tau ceramica and he is more prepared than deng to go starter is a athletic sf he is a explosive player with a lot of athletics atributes he give to the game presence, thougness and a super defense he is a pure shooter who can shoot in all the perimeter he has a shoot like Rip Hamilton like and he can score 3 pointers he is like a european vince carter
I agree with your thoughts, but, I think Deng should have stayed another year. With Nocioni, he's been playing professionally overseas for a long time now. Also, Deng may be averaging 15 points in the summer league, but that's against people who are either fighting for a contract or rookies like him, there is no real great NBA talent in the summer league. Nocioni has been playing good players overseas and is actually going to compete come Olympic time. So, he has experience against some really good overseas talent, whereas Deng has really only played college kids. I think Nocioni will get the nod just for that thought, because he has more experience playing the game and will give them a much better athlete at the small forward position.
Well, when you're dealing with guys from Euro leagues, Argentina, etc...you can't mention how well they performed, because you just never know. The style of play is so different. Peja was a steal in the draft back in 1996...but some international guys turn out to be dissapointments also. I will say Deng, but it's a tough decision...because I too have seen Nocioni, and he's not a bad player...but Deng's work ethics and his body will put him as a starting SF.
Nocioni has a tendency to dunk or try to dunk the ball every time, and Chicago needs help scoring. Deng is just a basketball player, only way to describe him he's not the greatest athlete or the greatest ball handler, etc but he has balance he is good at everything if not great at some things. Deng has better all around game so Im going to say Deng for the last half of the season, see how Nocioni works in the first half and Deng will work his way to the starting line.
Nocioni, for several reasons: -More expirience -More physically developed -Relieves pressure off Deng Deng will have an important role in the rotation, however at this point i don't think he should start. In 1 or 2 years, i give him the starting nod over Nocioni, and by then, Deng will be more developed and ready to take on a new role.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting ObieCent:</div><div class="quote_post">Nocioni, for several reasons: -More expirience -More physically developed -Relieves pressure off Deng Deng will have an important role in the rotation, however at this point i don't think he should start. In 1 or 2 years, i give him the starting nod over Nocioni, and by then, Deng will be more developed and ready to take on a new role.</div> Off-topic for one post...man...did you make that signature before mine? Because I've had this one for a while...I just don't want you to think I stole your idea or anything because yours looks pretty good IMO.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting realdealbneal:</div><div class="quote_post">Off-topic for one post...man...did you make that signature before mine? Because I've had this one for a while...I just don't want you to think I stole your idea or anything because yours looks pretty good IMO.</div> Well, you had that sig before this one, but i made a carmelo one like this a while back, around the same time i saw yours, lol. And thanks. Sorry, get back to the topic.
Deng starts.He is more physical and he has been tested about how good he will play againt talent(Xavier & Uconn) no question,Deng starts.
Nocioni because Paxson has already stated that he wants to bring Deng along slowly. And I doubt starting qualifies "slowly."
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting zonebeast:</div><div class="quote_post">i say nocioni i saw nocioni play many times with the argentina team and for his spain team tau ceramica and he is more prepared than deng to go starter is a athletic sf he is a explosive player with a lot of athletics atributes he give to the game presence, thougness and a super defense he is a pure shooter who can shoot in all the perimeter he has a shoot like Rip Hamilton like and he can score 3 pointers he is like a european vince carter</div>No doubt, “Chapu” Nocioni, but he has not rips shoot man!!!! I think his shoot is his worst ability. FLBALLER, Noci?n is very physical too, and Im sure he has played against more talent than deng.
Personally, I'd say Deng. Only because it might take Nocioni a little while to change to the NBA rules, as compared to International rules. If Nocioni catches on quickly, he should start. I think if Deng DID start, he'd have a lot of pressure on him to succeed automatically.
Im not a fan of saying who starts this early I think they both should earn anytime they get and if one plays better then the other then we start either one.Whoever shows that they deserve it they should start.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting King Syxx:</div><div class="quote_post">Im not a fan of saying who starts this early I think they both should earn anytime they get and if one plays better then the other then we start either one.Whoever shows that they deserve it they should start.</div> That is probably what will ahppen as Nociono has had a great european basketball career, but it is yet to be seen how he will ajust to the NBA game and how he will fit in with the different style of offense that the american teams run. Then it is yet to be seen how Deng will adjust to playing with guys his size or bigger each night rather than kids that he can bully around sometimes because of there size. He also needs to show how well he will shoot from the field I think that will be the final point to deside who starts because in size and physical appearences when it comes to height and weight they are roughly equal.
Hey guys. New guy here, I'm a long time Bulls fan. I think Andres will get the nod to start at the beginning of the season. From what I've heard he is very physical and will get down and dirty with the other team's players. On this other board I visit the Bulls fans are praising this guy like none other. I think Andres will start however I would not be surprised at all if Deng is starting by the end of the season. He is going to be a good one.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting FLBALLER:</div><div class="quote_post">Deng starts.He is more physical and he has been tested about how good he will play againt talent(Xavier & Uconn) no question,Deng starts.</div> ^Ditto, But, Im a UConn fan.. and, I remember the game quite clearly.
I've never seen nocioni play but I have seen Deng play and I think he will be a player the bulls can rebuild around to become a super team in the east. He can play numerous positions and is more athletically gifted than people think. If he lifts more weights he could gain some more explosiveness. The kid also has a lot of skills and could play all 5 positions in high scool. He has played in pressure situations so he should be given the nod. He could be very special. BTW, Ben Gordon reminds me of Gilbert Arenas except he is stronger. If he plays the 2 and Hinrich plays the point this team could be awesome. I'm a Golden State Warriors fan but in the deepest darkest parts of my stomach I'll root for the bulls except when you play us.
i say deng. he has had a god summer, and the other guy is averaging only 11 ppg in the olympics. if hes averaging 11 ppg, how will he do against NBA players that are 10 times bigger and better?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting saad:</div><div class="quote_post">i say deng. he has had a god summer, and the other guy is averaging only 11 ppg in the olympics. if hes averaging 11 ppg, how will he do against NBA players that are 10 times bigger and better?</div> By the logic of his stats in the Olympics, think about it this way: Tim Duncan is averaging 15 ppg and AI is averaging 13 ppg.
