Damn should Williams be included in crawford deal to NY.

Well as it is pared now the trade for crawford to new york would work out like this

Knicks get:
Jerome Williams
Jamal Crawford

Knicks lose:
frank williams
Dikembe Mutombo
moochi norris


Bulls Get:
frank williams
Dikembe Mutombo
moochi norris

Bulls Lose:
Jerome Williams
Jamal Crawford


IDK about everyone else, but to me the bulls are getting robbed in this deal. Norris is a horrible contract to pick up for any team, mutombo is a good defender, but wont see many minutes in the lineup with curry and chandler and davis at center. He will though provide cap room when his contract ends at the end of the year. Then Frank Williams is a guy with potential to be a good back up guard imo, but never a starter sort of like a tyrone lue imo.

Then we are giving up jerome williams 6'9" was a rising star in tornto, but lost minutes here in chicago when he was traded here because of the depth at that position he is still gona be a monster talent that can be a good spark off the bench and very athletic. Also we lose crawford a good lose because he shoots under 40% and with gordan on the team he becomes expendable to the team as well as duhon, hinrick, and the possible return of jay williams.

Bad trade overall if it becomes official for the bulls what do you guys think?

 

Yeah Chicago would be getting robbed bad...trading for 2 point guards when they already have 3???

 

2 Words For You Guys: Deekembay Muuthahmbo!

I say JC and JYD for Penny, Stephon Hogbury, and Ewing.

 

According to the NY Post, we offered that we'd take Moochie. On the other hand, the chicago sun times said that Paxson WILL NOT take Moochie. And one of the writers who wrote the NY article was Peter Vescey. Who are ya gonna believe?

Dikembe comes over and gives us a veteran presence, and a mentor to Curry and Chandler. Paxson said he wanted Othella Harrington, but Isaiah won't send him, because they want to use him as bait in the Dampier deal.

Jerome Williams doesn't want to play in Chicago. So ship him off. Why keep anyone on the roster like that, thats a distraction to the team.

 

I don't know what good Williams and Moochie will do sitting on the bench in Chicago. It'll give them 4 PG's. Gordon is a PG too, and will likely play the PG posistion when Hinrich is on the bench. I think they should waive one of them to see if their contracts will be picked up, more specifically, Norris, because Williams can be a trade asset near the deadline.

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Pure Skillz:</div><div class="quote_post">Well as it is pared now the trade for crawford to new york would work out like this

Then we are giving up jerome williams 6'9" was a rising star in tornto, but lost minutes here in chicago when he was traded here because of the depth at that position he is still gona be a monster talent that can be a good spark off the bench and very athletic. Also we lose crawford a good lose because he shoots under 40% and with gordan on the team he becomes expendable to the team as well as duhon, hinrick, and the possible return of jay williams.

Bad trade overall if it becomes official for the bulls what do you guys think?</div>

Since when was Jerome Williams considered a rising star? He didn't get the nickname Junk Yard Dog from creating his own shots and calling people on defense and cleaning up the boards. He does the little stuff. Guard, Hustle, Rebound, box out, create space for other teamates and get a few put backs here in there. But by no means was he ever considered a rising star or star in the makings.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Banks:</div><div class="quote_post">Since when was Jerome Williams considered a rising star? He didn't get the nickname Junk Yard Dog from creating his own shots and calling people on defense and cleaning up the boards. He does the little stuff. Guard, Hustle, Rebound, box out, create space for other teamates and get a few put backs here in there. But by no means was he ever considered a rising star or star in the makings.</div>
When I say rising star I mean a player who was developing into a very talented force in the nba he was athletic and had huge play for toronto. I remember a play were it was him and alvin williams alvin wlliams missed the layup with a guy in his face Jerome is running behind him with time running out and raptors down by 1 he just hammers the ball down. Though the stupid refs say o it was after the time had expired and raptors lost.

He was also developing into a great sixth man spark plug off the bench for any team in fact ealier in the off season there were rumors going around philly that they would make a trade that would involve getting him for arron mckie, but that was shot down when the bulls got a couple guards in the draft and pargo performed well.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Pure Skillz:</div><div class="quote_post">When I say rising star I mean a player who was developing into a very talented force in the nba he was athletic and had huge play for toronto. I remember a play were it was him and alvin williams alvin wlliams missed the layup with a guy in his face Jerome is running behind him with time running out and raptors down by 1 he just hammers the ball down. Though the stupid refs say o it was after the time had expired and raptors lost.

He was also developing into a great sixth man spark plug off the bench for any team in fact ealier in the off season there were rumors going around philly that they would make a trade that would involve getting him for arron mckie, but that was shot down when the bulls got a couple guards in the draft and pargo performed well.</div>

lol, you got a weird definition of rising star. And I remember the Jerome Williams put back dunk off ADubb's missed lay up. It was the right call by the refs, so I don't think they should be called stupid for making the right call.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Banks:</div><div class="quote_post">lol, you got a weird definition of rising star. And I remember the Jerome Williams put back dunk off ADubb's missed lay up. It was the right call by the refs, so I don't think they should be called stupid for making the right call.</div>
Thanks. I guess you can call my definition weird because you dont agree with it. Say what you want the truth is his career was on the up swing before his minutes were cut when he went to chicago there for the term of "RISING star" is rightfully used because his star was RISING. Notice the words in all caps they are the words I am stressing in this post.

Also the ruling the refs made on that play was only right because when he touched the ball the time on the clock was under .4 seconds meaning that the rule you cant touch the ball with to hands only guide it was in use. He tried to slam the ball that is the only reason it was not counted which sucks, but if he had guided the ball into the hoop it would have counted.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Pure Skillz:</div><div class="quote_post">Thanks. I guess you can call my definition weird because you dont agree with it. Say what you want the truth is his career was on the up swing before his minutes were cut when he went to chicago there for the term of "RISING star" is rightfully used because his star was RISING. Notice the words in all caps they are the words I am stressing in this post.</div>

So I guess you would call Jerome Williams a star if he kept doing what he was doing in Toronto in previous, for the Raps if he stayed, in 2003-2004? All he was doing was getting around 10 and 8. He was not improving. Even if he might of stayed in Lennys system, he was not improving dramatically, that he would become a star. Your view point on a rising star is weird IMO, because you believe someone like Jerome Williams, with no offense, not amazing rebounding skills, or defensive skills can become a star or considered a rising star.

 

Jerome Williams isn't going to get any better. At this point he is what he is. He has very limited offensive skills and he is a defensive liabilty, especially with his size at the power forward position. PF's would routinely beat him off the dribble or post him up in Toronto so we always needed to get someone to help him out.

He works hard to rebound and will get you the occasional garbage point but that's about all he can do. He's a good guy to have on the bench but by no means is he a "star" or a "monster talent".

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Eclipse:</div><div class="quote_post">Jerome Williams isn't going to get any better. At this point he is what he is. He has very limited offensive skills and he is a defensive liabilty, especially with his size at the power forward position. PF's would routinely beat him off the dribble or post him up in Toronto so we always needed to get someone to help him out.

He works hard to rebound and will get you the occasional garbage point but that's about all he can do. He's a good guy to have on the bench but by no means is he a "star" or a "monster talent".</div>

I was waiting for someone to post a comment like yours regarding JYD...I wouldn't think many of these people on JBB would believe that JYD was a rising star during his 2 and a half year stint in TO.

 

No I Don't Want Frank Williams Included In The Trade...
Anyway It's Gonna Be Official Tomorrow...

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Banks:</div><div class="quote_post">So I guess you would call Jerome Williams a star if he kept doing what he was doing in Toronto in previous, for the Raps if he stayed, in 2003-2004? All he was doing was getting around 10 and 8. He was not improving. Even if he might of stayed in Lennys system, he was not improving dramatically, that he would become a star. Your view point on a rising star is weird IMO, because you believe someone like Jerome Williams, with no offense, not amazing rebounding skills, or defensive skills can become a star or considered a rising star.</div>
Rising star in my view point is a rising star as a player who was improving who did the little things his team needs to do for his team to win and could spark the team off the bench. You may be thinking that I am tring to say he would become a all star or something or a player who would be a top scoring option on the team when I say rising star.

That is not what I am saying I am saying he way becoming a rising star as in a valuable player with a great energy that would make him a huge spark plug for a team as there sixth man. He would provide offense off the bench and when you got a guy that can get you around 10 and 8 off the bench that is always good for a team.

 

You can't really depend on him for offense though. Sometimes he would get 15 points and other times like 2 or 4. The reason for that is his rebounding is his offense, pretty much the only way he gets points is by getting an offensive rebound so it's very inconsistent.

The things that you can depend on are his hustle, determination and hard work. He will always give you 100%, but unfortuantely you can't always make up for a lack of talent and size with effort.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Pure Skillz:</div><div class="quote_post">when you got a guy that can get you around 10 and 8 off the bench that is always good for a team.</div>Jerome Williams will not get you 10 and 8 off the bench. Sure, he might once or twice, but his bench numbers are most likely 6 and 5. He has limited offensive skills as someone already stated, and can run a defense wild with his gambling for steals and going out of defensive position for a rebound.

 

Yea, JYD gets 10 and 8 when starting but not off the bench. Actually I made a mistake in my previous post by saying he's a 10 and 8 guy when he starts. The best season he had was in the 02-03, the season to forget for the Raptors, where he averaged 9 and 9. He got 6 and 7 last year while starting 44 out of 68 in around 25 MPG. He doesn't play much because he gets yanked when people beat him on defense. He's not a team defense guy.

Would you consider Brian Cardinal a rising star? He averaged 9.6 and 4.2 boards in just 21 minutes last year, but he was a big spark plug off the bench, probably more so than JYD. He's reffered to as The Custodian, and dives for balls and hustles like JYD, so is he a rising star in your view?

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Banks:</div><div class="quote_post">Yea, JYD gets 10 and 8 when starting but not off the bench. Actually I made a mistake in my previous post by saying he's a 10 and 8 guy when he starts. The best season he had was in the 02-03, the season to forget for the Raptors, where he averaged 9 and 9. He got 6 and 7 last year while starting 44 out of 68 in around 25 MPG. He doesn't play much because he gets yanked when people beat him on defense. He's not a team defense guy.

Would you consider Brian Cardinal a rising star? He averaged 9.6 and 4.2 boards in just 21 minutes last year, but he was a big spark plug off the bench, probably more so than JYD. He's reffered to as The Custodian, and dives for balls and hustles like JYD, so is he a rising star in your view?</div>
Actually yeah his star is rising he wont be a super star, but will probably get a decent pay day his next few nba contracts because he does offer that to a team. You saw how big a peace he was to the warriors team last year in providing a bit of offense off of the bench.

Well anyway JW has been traded to new york so this thread is basically over with can a moderator lock it since the person has already been traded. Banks we can continue this debate in another thread or on aim or something if you want.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Pure Skillz:</div><div class="quote_post">Actually yeah his star is rising he wont be a super star, but will probably get a decent pay day his next few nba contracts because he does offer that to a team. You saw how big a peace he was to the warriors team last year in providing a bit of offense off of the bench.

Well anyway JW has been traded to new york so this thread is basically over with can a moderator lock it since the person has already been traded. Banks we can continue this debate in another thread or on aim or something if you want.</div>

That would be nice except I don't have AIM only MSN

 

Why should this thread be locked just because the topic is old? We're talking about Jerome Williams, a former Bull here, and that is off-topic? If anything, you guys can carry on in the Knicks forum, since Williams is a Knick now, but this thread shouldn't be locked IMO.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Banks:</div><div class="quote_post">That would be nice except I don't have AIM only MSN</div>
O well lets just continue anyway. I have msn to just never use it. When I say the term rising star when relating to Jerome Williams I am in no way shape or form saying he was developing into a all star or anything like that. I am saying that his star his individual basketball talent was on the up swing before his minutes got cut.