Ok so the Mavs (Celtics) traded Walker and Delk to Atlanta for Terry, Henderson, and a 2007 first round pick. Not getting in depth with it, that seems like a better deal than Raef, Jiri. Am I wrong in thinking this. With Terry, I think the C's would've been better, but what I'm amazed at is that Atlanta gave up a first rounder. The way things are going, that could be a No.1 overall pick! Unless Raef is in Danny's plan, the Celtics missed out. And also, Terry has higher market value, and could be traded ALOT easier than Raef. What do you guys think?
^Thats hilarious I never thought of that. But Jiri can turn in to something special so it's not like you got nothing. And Raef didnt play a lot of the 2004 season so you should keep your hopes up. But in choosing in having... Raef n' Jiri Walker n' Delk Terry n' Henderson I'd probably choose Terry. But it is funny....well from MAVS perspective
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting samoan-maverick:</div><div class="quote_post">^Thats hilarious I never thought of that. But Jiri can turn in to something special so it's not like you got nothing. And Raef didnt play a lot of the 2004 season so you should keep your hopes up. But in choosing in having... Raef n' Jiri Walker n' Delk Terry n' Henderson I'd probably choose Terry. But it is funny....well from MAVS perspective</div> I never thought about this untill u meantioned this was a funny article of such. but i dont think the hawks would have traded jt and henderson to the Celts last year in which was the year the celts just "had " to get rid of walker. because was it not only the mut depart year for walker it was also the supposed "playoff lock " year for atl. In which we had Shareef at power, theo center, glen robinson at sf. Jt point sg Stephen jackson if i'm not mistaken. Well i believe henderson is injury prone as is Raef so form there you are looking at a 50 50. but form the Jiri and terry i would have to take Terry.
The thing to keep in mind here is that there are alot of different variables in the current market than there was when Dannyboy moved Walker late last off-season. ATL didn't give up any lottery spots if they still suck, because the pick traded was protected and wasn't even ATL's to begin with. They traded a pick they got from, I think, Phila. Edit: Ranter verifies it here: <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">the first rounder is lottery protected and originally belonged to the Sixers</div> Terry's a good talent, but he's not the equivalent of Raef plus Jiri. Allen Henderson is basically a throw in body. He's on the IR most of the time, with little hope(unlike in Raef's case) of recoverying. Henderson is our Yogi. No one's expecting a guy that's going to get on the court much in either case. Raef, on the other hand, could see significant time this season even if he's not fully ready at seasons start. <font color="DarkRed">(which would be a contradiction of what Wyc Grosbesck has told us.) </font> Add that, to what we can only assume would be an improving Jiri (who will hopefully have healed from his hand/thumb injury) and there's no way Terry's worth more, essentially on his own. But again, I have to reitterate what I said earlier in that there are a lot of trade variables that have changed since the time of the Walker deal.
What is so great about Jason Terry? He is an undersized shooting guard who is forced to run the point. I would take Raef/Jiri over Terry/Henderson any day. Not to mention that Terry has been playing for a losing franchise, and you never know how much he can contribute on a winning team.
You can extend this futher. Juwan Howard for Raef/Van Excel. Then Van Excel for Jamison/Fortson, who were traded for Devin Harris, Calvin Booth, Stackhouse, Laetner. Gosh, when you start adding up the number of players that were obtained for Juwan Howard... Amazing... but back to this thread. Jiri Welsh was someone that the Mavs though had a huge amount ot talent and potential. They sent him to Boston in order to dump a big bag of nothing in Raef. Yes, you can hope in one hand and shXX in the other and see which fills first. Raef is nothing but dead weight. The Mavs got Walker's overpaid, but shorter contract. They thought it might turn into something huge, but Walker shot the wheels off that deal by shooting like 10% from three point range last year. If Walker had been a 20-10-8 guy, the Mavs would have gone farther, if not all the way, then he could be traded for just about anyone. It didn't work, so Terry is a very young, talented player. Given the choice between Terry and Welsh, it's a toss up, slight edge to Welsh. Given the choice of Terry/Henderson vs Welsh/Raef, I'd take Terry/Henderson since Henderson will be gone after this year and Raef will linger for the next five years. Oh yeh, Atlanta got screwed.
Great article regarding this trade.... <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">The Mavericks got Jason Terry, a decent guard, and Alan Henderson, a decent guy who has not been able to play because of injuries. That was it. That makes Ainge's acquisition look like outright theft. And you could argue that Walker was even more appealing as trade bait this time around because of his contract. He still didn't fetch much.</div> http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/stor...eter&id=1852615
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Wink23:</div><div class="quote_post">Ok so the Mavs (Celtics) traded Walker and Delk to Atlanta for Terry, Henderson, and a 2007 first round pick. Not getting in depth with it, that seems like a better deal than Raef, Jiri. Am I wrong in thinking this. With Terry, I think the C's would've been better, but what I'm amazed at is that Atlanta gave up a first rounder. The way things are going, that could be a No.1 overall pick! Unless Raef is in Danny's plan, the Celtics missed out. And also, Terry has higher market value, and could be traded ALOT easier than Raef. What do you guys think?</div> Ummm..can we mention the entire trade? Walker and Delk netted the C's Raef Jiri Atkins(We aquired Mills in the Walker trade) West(We aquired Dallas first rounder) Allen (We aquired Detroits 1st rounder) 3 mil in cash 3.3 off the cap number (Lindsay hunter) All That ... or Terry and Henderson?? Lets face it..cuban got fleeced
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">The Mavericks got Jason Terry, a decent guard, and Alan Henderson, a decent guy who has not been able to play because of injuries. That was it. That makes Ainge's acquisition look like outright theft. And you could argue that Walker was even more appealing as trade bait this time around because of his contract. He still didn't fetch much. </div> Ainge isn't the idiot that many make him out to be, just look at the post above.^^^^^
