Page 2 Interesting trade. Im a big Chris Mihm fan and i feel your pain in losing him. Payton isn't a bad addition. At least he will bring some leadership and will run the team effectively without having to play any type of triangle as he did in LA. Fox is a has been bum and I believe Marcus Banks was going to have a real solid career in Boston. He will probably break out now that he is a Laker, something about wearing a Laker jersey automatically makes you a star.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">P.S. WWAD is a bad thing. I know exactly what he would do</div> IIIIIIMMMM BACK!!!! Well I understand, No wait I dont understand how i was banned before but im really mad. Hey I dont want to say i told you so but if the cookie crumbles (COOKIE IS CELTICS) I probably have to be here to see it. For you people that dont know me I was on 1 forum A-I-N-G-E and every single person disagreed with me. I dont think I'm seeing strait everyone who disagreed with me just said they might not like Ainge anymore. Well try to respond without banning me will you.
cool so now Payton and Pierce, both will have alot of what they usually do. Payton more assists and Pierce more Dunks lol
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Infante:</div><div class="quote_post">Page 2 Interesting trade. Im a big Chris Mihm fan and i feel your pain in losing him. Payton isn't a bad addition. At least he will bring some leadership and will run the team effectively without having to play any type of triangle as he did in LA. Fox is a has been bum and I believe Marcus Banks was going to have a real solid career in Boston. He will probably break out now that he is a Laker, something about wearing a Laker jersey automatically makes you a star.</div> Hasn't happened to Devean George in his 5 years as a Laker.
Guess I owe Caron1 an apology. Apparently he got this one right. Money move, but I'm skeptical to say the least. 12 mil next season off the books is all nice and good, but we better be competitive this season. We lost our stop gap at pg. Lost what was supposed to be the future pg, before Allen and West got here. Lost a 7 fter, who could pan out, but doesn't appear to be ready to just yet. All that for GP, who I think has 2 more years on the tank, too bad we'll only get one out of him. Rick Fox? Allow me to start booing that PUNK MF right now. (My apologies for the language) And a draft pick that won't be any good for at least 3 years, unless packaged in a trade. However, I can live with this, even though I'm not a fan of the move. We're taking a hell of a chance here and turning our backs on at least 2 guys who could end up coming back to bite us. Right now, that prospect doesn't worry me from them and I'm hoping it never does.
Ainge basically did it for the draft pick and the caproom...but was it worth losing Marcus Banks and Mihm?
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Hasn't happened to Devean George in his 5 years as a Laker.</div> True, but you got to admit that it helped him to get noticed. 2 years ago people saying Devean who? Since almost every game was nationally televised, everyone at least knew he existed. BTW DG actually played great for the Lakers in the beggining of last season.
It's taking me while to take all of this in.... I can't believe it. But, I will have to deal with it. I hope Rick Fox retires, so we don't have to deal with him. I think Payton will flourish in Boston and will temporarily fix our PG problems. Now that it happened, I am coping with it better than I thought I would. But I need to hear an explaination from Ainge before I accept it completely. I wasn't a big Mihm or Atkins fan, so I'm not upset about losing them. Banks, I think will be a great PG one day, and I wish it was in a Celtic's uniform.
I seriously don't think Ainge has any idea what he's doing. Gary Payton and Rick Fox? Jesus. And cap space? Who exactly do we think we're going to get FA-wise next season? Can we please just draft somebody (anybody) and actually keep them long enough to see if they'll be any good? This franchise is clueless, and has been for about 15 years.
An NBAWire rumor turned true. For Shame! Talking about the trade, I share the views of many others: The Celtics Made An Extremely Dumb Move. They traded away a young PG destined to be the future of the Celtics at point guard, a young center too who still has a lot of potential left in him, and a veteran who probably still has a few years of productivity left in him. What do they get in return? A down-and-out has been, and an injury-prone guy known more for the punch he got from Doug Christie than his exploits on the court. Payton and Fox can't play anymore, that is a fact. Come to think of it, the Celtics just became more popular. Think of the Vanessa Williams fans who'll jump on the Boston bandwagon! :mrgreen:
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting GREEN17CHAMPION:</div><div class="quote_post">IIIIIIMMMM BACK!!!! Well I understand, No wait I dont understand how i was banned before but im really mad. Hey I dont want to say i told you so but if the cookie crumbles (COOKIE IS CELTICS) I probably have to be here to see it. For you people that dont know me I was on 1 forum A-I-N-G-E and every single person disagreed with me. I dont think I'm seeing strait everyone who disagreed with me just said they might not like Ainge anymore. Well try to respond without banning me will you.</div> Every person disagreed with you? Think maybe you should read between the lines and get some new material?
If Payton has any pride left in him (and I'm sure he has), he will show the world that he's not done yet. We all know he struggled in LA because of the triangle offense, where the role of the point guard is pretty small. Payton is player who needs the ball in his hands, and I believe he will have a good year in Boston, if he doesn't get traded that is.... About Rick Fox..... please waive him
Come on folks, lets not get ahead of ourselves here. GP being washed up is <font color="DarkRed">not</font> fact. Banks being a future great is <font color="DarkRed">not</font> fact. Yes, we're giving up on Banks prematurely. However, I've seen enough of him to be telling people around here constantly that I have major concerns about his ability to play the point in the NBA. With West and Allen in the mix, maybe those concerns that Danny had made him expendable. GP, Well......Yes, he's 36. Yes, his best days are likely behind him. However, he's also still one of the top 10 PG in the game and I watched him in LA last year and while he is slowing down, the triangle offense very much hindered him. Do I think he'll re-emerge this year? Yes I do. Will it be Seattle GP? Probably not, but I'll settle for something in the neighborhood. Rick Fox: <font color="DarkRed">JUST RETIRE NOW</font>. Above all of this, this move doesn't make this team anything less than it would have been this season. We were going to be competitive, but not a title contender. Next season, at least 12 million comes off the books. Moving Mihm, which we all expected to happen anyways, opens up room in the log jam at Center, which allows Perkins to play more. A healthy Raef, which Wyc once again confirmed to the press is healthy and ready to go, means we've got a decent squad here: PG: GP starts, West and Allen back up. SG: Davis/ Jiri SF: TRuth (With platoon of potentials to back up) PF: Raef starts with Al Jefferson backing him up. C: Blount starts with Perkins backing up. Now, that's a decent line up, no matter how you slice it. Not only is it potent, but the Rooks in the post that everyone has been screaming to get PT, look to be getting thier shot now. Remember, moving Banks is only mortgaging the future if he turns out to be good. I know we've had some bad luck in that respect, but Banks still has a long way to go before he can provide anyone with the claim that this was a bad trade, and in fact may never be able to.
I think the Celtics made an okay deal. I can still expect Payton to average 15 point, 6-7 assists, 1.5 steals. Not bad at all considering that Marcus Banks was made expendable with Boston's draft picks. I mean I love the way the kid plays and I think he has a chance to become an above average point guard in the league but....he is just way too erratic. He only has two speeds, which are fast and faster. Who better to be a mentor for Tony Allen then Gary Payton former defensive player of the year? Under Payton's tutelage (similar to how Nate McMillan did for Payton in Seattle) Tony Allen can become a very serviceable player in the league. Payton for Banks is a good trade for both sides. In regards to bringing Fox back to Boston....it stinks. Losing Mihm isn't so bad if you are optimistic about Al Jefferson. He has been tearing up the summer leagues and I can't wait to see how he does against NBA comp.
I didnt watch Banks that much last year in Boston, But I did watch Marcus at UNLV, when they use to show alot of Rebel games monday nights after Sportscenter on ESpn, and imo opinion he never really sowed signs of being a great playmaking point guard. He was always a good Defender tho, But I think that for the Celtics in the future with all the guards Dolante West, Tony Allen, etc who are capable of scoring, The Celtics are going to need a playmaking guard who can make other people better. So while Banks does have potenial to have a great future, it doesnt mean that potenial would have ever been reached with the Celtics. Gary Payton is immediate perimeter help needed for PP right now. PP needed somebody to take some of the pressure of making plays for other people off him. And Gary Payton will that for him this season.And The other guards will be able to learn behind GP like someonelse said earlier. And maybe be ready to take over when GP contract ends next offseaon .Rick Fox should be called cap space because thats all he is. When Fox's 5mill comes off the books at the end of the season it will benefit there cap
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Who better to be a mentor for Tony Allen then Gary Payton former defensive player of the year? Under Payton's tutelage (similar to how Nate McMillan did for Payton in Seattle) Tony Allen can become a very serviceable player in the league.</div> Damn good point CV. With Allens already touted Defensive prowess, adding GP to help mentor him can only be a positive. Give the kid some "Vet tricks" and his learning curve should advance significantly.
