<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Before you bash Chris Mullin on the assumption that he grossly overpaid Adonal Foyle and Derek Fisher, be advised of two very crucial caveats. Fisher got nearly $40 million from the Warriors because Mully is trying to change the culture there. So he paid top dollar to beat out Houston for a veteran of three championship teams. As for Foyle, who I, like you, previously considered the most overpaid free agent of the summer ... we're all wrong. Turns out the sixth year of Foyle's controversial $42 million deal is a team option. Which means Foyle will most likely never see that money. Which means Foyle's five-year deal is really worth slightly more than $30 million, which means he's only getting slightly above the league's average salary. Knowing it was going to lose Erick Dampier, and knowing that Foyle can at least block shots, Golden State giving him $30-plus million over five years doesn't sound nearly as unreasonable.</div> Link
Nice snooping there, Rude. Adonal must have been pretty optimistic if he thought that in 5 years he could be worth $10 million. Without that last year, it's a great deal, especially for a big man, and in comparison to all the other horrible contracts out there.
That sounds much more reasonable because that extra 12 Million had me pretty uneasy bout how long our cap would be hit by his contract. Is there anyway Fisher's 6th yr is a team option for 17 Mil? hahah maybe we can put him in the game every 0.4 secs so he can win us the game nd run out the stadium just as fast as he signed our contract offer.
That sounds much more reasonable because that extra 12 Million had me pretty uneasy bout how long our cap would be hit by his contract. Is there anyway Fisher's 6th yr is a team option for 17 Mil? hahah i can dream cant i?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Zhone:</div><div class="quote_post">Nice snooping there, Rude. Adonal must have been pretty optimistic if he thought that in 5 years he could be worth $10 million. Without that last year, it's a great deal, especially for a big man, and in comparison to all the other horrible contracts out there.</div> I actually found the article
What a relief! Good job Banks on finding the article and thanks Rudeezy for bringing it on the board.
No, I was wrong about Mullin being a fool for the first time last year when he made that 7 man deal with Dallas. I don't want to be wrong again. Plus gotta love St. Jean for that Pietrus draft. (one of the) Fastest guy(s) in the NBA.
actually muss wanted a athletic, defensive stopper at the 2/3...so he deserves the credit for pietrus...
Oops, sorry Banks, nice job. I'm sure they can find a way to get rid of Fisher if he gets too old. They got rid of NVE with his aching knees, eh? And even the Lakers found a way to trade Rick Fox, who said he would probably retire if traded from the Lakers. It's certainly a problem, but it's not the end of the world when there are (now) a glut of players that have similar contracts who we could probably swing a deal for in the future.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Map1986:</div><div class="quote_post">actually muss wanted a athletic, defensive stopper at the 2/3...so he deserves the credit for pietrus...</div> I don't buy that because otherwise Pietrus would have seen more playing time. Muss sounded like he wanted a point guard.
the pg he picked up then was speedy(also a very good defender) but it's true he wanted a defensive stopper to back up jrich and dundun...
For the 48,593,342nd time, how hard is it to accurately report Foyle's contract?!? Didn't someone else on espn report Foyle's contract started at 6.5 mil with 12.5% increases that worked out to 40.6 mil over 5 years with a partially guaranteed sixth year? This is just absolutely ridiculous. I'm not looking forward to another three months of conflicting reports, but I'm expecting it.
I believe all multi year contracts increase 12% after each year...Foyles Average salary per year in that contract is 6 Million. So I'm assuming his starting base salary would be in the 4 Million dollar range, with his last year of his contract paying him in the 7-8.5 Million dollar range due to the 12 annual increase%.
they can have an anual raise of 0-12.5% w/ foyle....it doesn't have to be a max raise and doesn't have to be a raise at all...come on guys...don't you know the CBA???
I don't know the CBA. I've got no idea how those little rules work. I'm sure math wise with 12.5% annual increases, the final amount over 6 years with increases could possibly be about 20-30% of the entire contract itself. So in essence, you save maybe about 20-30% of the entire contract itself based on not executing the team option on that sixth year? I don't know I'm guessing based on the 41/30 million equation. But whatever, the whole thing is that Foyle's 41 million is like really 30 something million. Cap wise can we still afford all the players we want and keep future guys we know will be important like Pietrus and Biedrens and keep favorites Murphy and Richardson? I'm still wondering if we're screwed. I'm sure Zhone and Walker will help me out on the actual cap limit and how much we can spend each year.
Like Map1986 said, the Warriors could offer Foyle annual increases of up to 12.5%. The CBA isn't all that complicated when it comes to salary increases. There are only three rules to keep in mind: 1. Teams signing their own free agents can offer annual salary increases of up to 12.5% per year. 2. Teams signing another team's free agents can offer annual salary increases of up to 10% per year. 3. The salary increase is only calculated off the first year. So if the Warriors signed Foyle to a 5 year contract starting at 6 mil a year and having 10% annual increases (even though they could give him 12.5% increases...this is just for simplicities sake...) his contract would be as follows: Year 1: 6 mil Y2: 6.6 Y3: 7.2 Y4: 7.8 Y5: 8.4 total value: 36 mil I don't know how many other people care, but I find this Foyle thing utterly frustrating because there hasn't been a contract signed this offseason that has been more scrutinized than Foyle's. Yet here we are, over a month later, and no one seems to know what the exact terms are. Mullin and the Warriors have been getting a ton of negative publicity because of the size of the contract, but if it is really a 5 year 30 mil deal with a team option for a 6th year, then it isn't a bad contract. I'm very pessimistic about those being the actual terms, because if they were, there's no reason why Mullin didn't just call up the local media and disclose the terms of the deal. The only possible reason I can think of is very far fetched. And that is that Mullin doesn't want to disclose the terms of the deal because he wants Damp, Fegan, and the other NBA teams to think that Foyle signed a bigger contract than he did. That way Damp is going to hold out for a bigger contract and be less likely to take the MLE with some team, and thus keeping the chances of Damp working out a sign and trade that benefits the Warriors. Of course the big problem with that is that Foyle and Damp are good friends, and Damp could easily find out the terms of the deal by just asking Foyle. Oh well, I guess it's just an irratating situation and when I remember that there's nothing I can do about it no matter what, it's not such a big deal.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting custodianrules2:</div><div class="quote_post">But what is the actual salary cap limit per year? Isn't it 44 million with exceptions?</div> I believe its 43.5 mil this year (though I'm too lazy to look it up right now), and there probably won't be a luxury tax line this year, but if there was, it would be about 53 million. Of course that's irrelevant if we're just talking about Foyle, since the team has his Bird rights by virtue of him being on the team for more than 3 years. (I know you know that custodian, I'm just explaining it for anyone else reading this who is a cap novice.)
