If this doesn't prove that T-Mac is lazy, I don't know what does

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting sportsrock37:</div><div class="quote_post">Well he's got 2 scoring titles on Kobe. That's a start. We will start to compare Kobe and TMac now, when Tmac has a legit big man and Kobe doesn't. As of now though, Kobe is the superior player.</div>

LMAO. Two scoring titles? I would bet my last penny that if Kobe played on the Magic he would lead them to the playoffs, or at the very least, win more than 19 freaking games. Not to mention, you do realize that Kobe had to share the ball with Shaq, Malone, and Payton? Also, don't forget that T-Mac played in the East whereas Kobe played in the West, and yet STILL T-Mac wasn't able to do jack <font color="Red">edit</font>. Kobe has 3 rings and leadership that T-Mac can only see in his dreams.

Tracy Who....?

<font color="Red">Watch the Language - Ice</font>

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Einitials:</div><div class="quote_post">Do you think Shaq had anything to do with that? Do you think he can do the same thing again if he was the only offensive option on the team and had the entire opposing team's defense on him?</div>


Also, the magic were just bad. Howard averaged 17 ppg, Gooden and Lue were in low double figures also. Yes the defense is watching McGrady, but its not 5 vs 1

 

RealDeal- That record is off ONE season. Go do some research and check Kobe's record without Shaq BEFORE last season. You'll prove yourself wrong.

 

<font color="Red">Please keep this thread on topic or I will be forced to close it.</font>

 

back on topic.. i would have to say that its great to c t-mac getting in2 shape.. ima rockets fan, so naturally, id defend him

the truth is, u need a good TEAM to win championships. its doesn't all bare down to one person. look @ isiah's detriot and last yrs detroit, or all championship lakers of the past. look @ the bulls and look at my 94-95 rockets. these teams were not one man teams. They had a great set of role players to help win em championshps. whether or not they had one superstar or not, the hwole team did the job right.

for the last 4 seasons, magic havn't really been that deep. maybe u can blame it on grant hill, or the talentless bench, but u cant blame t-mac for it. he was doing everything in a team that didn't seem to motivate him. at least now he is motivated.

 

Tmac is annoying

 

If TMac's for real, we're about to experience the unleashing of a beast. Too bad it's at our expense.

 

That Magic team was horrible to watch. Losing all the time can take a lot out
of you. And honestly, with the talent on the team, TMac (or Kobe, or Jordan)
would have lost a lot of games too. Hats off to TMac for adopting a new attitude.
Now we wait and see if it pays off.

 

Stop all the bashing guys, Whether Tracy is lazy or not is debateable, ut one thing that every one has to agree on is that when Tracy McGrady was motivated and excited about basketball, he was a beast. The only time I saw him play with that tenacity was in his first year in Orlando , especially in the playoffs against Milwaukee , when he shut down Glenn Robinson and dropped, 33, 8, and 6 on them.

 

its wierd, coz everyone is expecting t-mac to "unleash the dragon" (quoting sisqo) this season. while his work ethic and overall performance is gna be rock solid, i think that his stats will be down this season. the rockets' offense geared towards yao and not t-mac. t-mac will still be leading scorer bcoz he's just that damn good, but yao will level up the stats with his own impressive offensive stats this season.

none the less, t-mac ROCKS!!!

btw, the magic fans out there shuoldn't be pissed off. looking at ur roster now, it's looking great. fancis and mobley have always packed a good 1, 2 punch, and i dno if u guys realise wat your getting in cuttino. he is definitely the most underrated player in the game and IMO deserves to have been in at least one allstar game oredy.. good luck orlando..

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Wink23:</div><div class="quote_post">OK HOLD ON

This had nothing to do with team record or Kobe vs. Shaq.

What I was saying that when Kobe had the string of 40 pt. games in a row, T-Mac was and still is not as good as him. If he had a consistent and hard work routine, he would be the best player in the NBA.</div>

LOL how quickly people forget that at the exact same time, Mac was dropping 36, 40, 50 points in a half, but didnt get as much exposure. This dude has the same if not more athletic ability and and offensive skill, and defensive( if he can get back into his TOR Raptors defensive form) as Kobe.

He has been working out period, now he's just a bit more motivated than he was with a team that sucked and going nowhere no matter how much he did.

 

I think you guys are forgetting how McGrady was when he first came to Orlando. He went to Rollins College (Local college in Central Florida) to take leadership classes, and wanted to take control and lead this team. He also had his personal trainer wake him up every single day around apx. 5:30 AM to begin working out for the day. He and Mike Miller would work out together and bulk up for the upcoming season.

Now look at McGrady - Apparently he needs more leadership classes, and a new workout routine.

It's obvious McGrady has changed, and it's a shame because had he kept up his old attitude Orlando could have gone farther. Instead, he decided to insult his teammates and slack off.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Ice:</div><div class="quote_post">I think you guys are forgetting how McGrady was when he first came to Orlando. He went to Rollins College (Local college in Central Florida) to take leadership classes, and wanted to take control and lead this team. He also had his personal trainer wake him up every single day around apx. 5:30 AM to begin working out for the day. He and Mike Miller would work out together and bulk up for the upcoming season.

Now look at McGrady - Apparently he needs more leadership classes, and a new workout routine.

It's obvious McGrady has changed, and it's a shame because had he kept up his old attitude Orlando could have gone farther. Instead, he decided to insult his teammates and slack off.</div>


Totally agree 100%. T-Mac let all the press go to his head 'Best in the NBA blah blah blah blah...' One of the sticking points of what you say is all the trouble T-Mac had with the zone(and that is directly related to him skipping college and not facing alot of Zone D),yet instead of trying to pass it off or get everyone else involved he took it himself and did poorly the largest majority of the time. And yet he pawned the blame on some of his fellow teammates.

In my honest opinion the Magic franchise is alot better off without T-Mac because that cat was all about himself and clearly spelled team with an I.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Ice:</div><div class="quote_post">I think you guys are forgetting how McGrady was when he first came to Orlando. He went to Rollins College (Local college in Central Florida) to take leadership classes, and wanted to take control and lead this team. He also had his personal trainer wake him up every single day around apx. 5:30 AM to begin working out for the day. He and Mike Miller would work out together and bulk up for the upcoming season.</div>

Call me crazy, but did anyone notice that ever since the Magic traded Miller away - who was McGrady's best friend on the team - that his work ethic went down the drain? I always thought that it had a really large part to do with why McGrady always looked so unhappy here in Orlando.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting explosive:</div><div class="quote_post">Call me crazy, but did anyone notice that ever since the Magic traded Miller away - who was McGrady's best friend on the team - that his work ethic went down the drain? I always thought that it had a really large part to do with why McGrady always looked so unhappy here in Orlando.</div>
I noticed that as well. I thought about that shortly after the trade was made, and then noticed it in his play. He defiently changed as a player after the trade was done, and I'm still not sure why. He should understand that the NBA is a business, and the trade was a business move.

Also - after Darrell left, McGradys habits changed yet again. And if I'm not mistaken, DA and McGrady were very close.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Ice:</div><div class="quote_post">I noticed that as well. I thought about that shortly after the trade was made, and then noticed it in his play. He defiently changed as a player after the trade was done, and I'm still not sure why. He should understand that the NBA is a business, and the trade was a business move.

Also - after Darrell left, McGradys habits changed yet again. And if I'm not mistaken, DA and McGrady were very close.</div>

Even if they weren't really good friends, anyone Magic fan knows that Darrell was the leader of the Magic in the locker room since the Heart & Hustle days. Even after Grant Hill and McGrady came to town the next year. The thing that I remember reading in the papers was the fact that Doc Rivers had Darrell Armstrong still listed as the team captain, not McGrady, despite his slightly slumping minutes and stats. He was that much of a leader in the locker room.

I liked DA, but I think that the Magic let him go due to his legal problems and him wanting such a long-term deal. In a way, we owed him one, but at the same time, we all know that the Magic organization tries to uphold a VERY high public image and I think that the cap room and legal troubles made it too much of a risk to sign him. But in the end, he's laughing since he's doing great in New Orleans and was acquitted.

In a perfect world though, he would have finished his career in Orlando and we would have retired his number. Something makes me believe that if we had kept DA and not signed Lue, that T-Mac would have gone into the last season with a whole different outlook.

 

Tmac may not have worked hard before as some people say and in articles you read, but he still always came to play. So does kobe both are great players with a lot of talent kobe though is a better leader than tmac you can see he has a better work ethic just by his change physically in the last couple of years and the way he has improved his game from when he was just a dunker.

Tmac on the other hand has improved his scoring each of his years he played for the magic except last season because of the injuries and the fact it is pretty hard to improve on 32 points a game. Both are great players and talents should not go unnoticed. They say that tmac doesnt have a good work ethic yet he is still a mutiple time all star, a 2 time scoring champion, been on the nba first team, and been recognized for a ton of other awards so he must be doing something right.

Kobe as well has no question when it comes to his work ethic. He would have a couple of scoring titles if he didnt have to give the ball to so many good players that have been or are on his team. Yet he has some questions of the court. So neither are boy scout players any more kobe was thought to be before last season yet that got shut down when he admitted to comitting adultry. Neither are perfect off the court, but both get the job done on it. As kobe has 3 nba titles and tmac has two scoring titles.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting !!!23!!!:</div><div class="quote_post">LOL how quickly people forget that at the exact same time, Mac was dropping 36, 40, 50 points in a half, but didnt get as much exposure. This dude has the same if not more athletic ability and and offensive skill, and defensive( if he can get back into his TOR Raptors defensive form) as Kobe.

He has been working out period, now he's just a bit more motivated than he was with a team that sucked and going nowhere no matter how much he did.</div>


Ya McGrady can score a lot in a half or game, but Kobe took over when he was dominating then. Unstoppable. I still say Kobe's the better player, even if he played with Shaq. If T-Mac was smart, he would've stayed with his cuz Vinsanity and that would've been a great duo. But no, he wanted to be "the man" with the ball and the paycheck. Once his would be partner Hill went down it became the shoot-a-thon. Tracy is not the defensive player that Kobe is, and he says its because he has to everything on the team. It looked like he cared more about shooting than winning. J.Howard averaged 17 ppg last year, Gooden wouldve been better if he played more, Lue CAN be a servicible player. The Magic were better than they showed last year, they came from nearly knocking out Detroit the year before, a team cant get that bad that fast. If T-Mac tried trusting his teamates and distributing the ball, he would be the best player in the NBA. His game isnt complete, he can shoot, score, get threes, and get over 5 rebounds. It seems like a player like McGrady should be able to steal and shut down players more. Maybe he will become that complete player in Houston. What I hate is that once you see one bad season that partially your fault, you bail out. You dont play with the #1 draft pick, you request a trade to someone already on the verge of a title. Its funny that T-Mac's first choices were Houston and San Antonio. What has happened to the league that when someone wants out just because, the Franchise does it. Seems like the players are running the office, (Kobe too). Yes TMac said he was going to opt out, but that is another threat to get of Orlando. TMac was too selfish enough to look toward the future.