According to ESPN Sports Analyst, Dr. Jack Ramsay, believes that Tim Duncan is an incomplete player. Here is what he said regarding Tim Duncan in a Live Chat. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Fan: Dr. Jack, first of all do you regard Team USA as favorites to win the gold medal? (I do.) Secondly, do you acknowledge Tim Duncan as the best player in the world, barnone? (I do.) Thanks! Dr. Jack Ramsay: I had thought so...until I watched them struggle against the zone defenses that the international teams play. The wins over Serbia-Mont, and Turkey weren't as satisfying as they may have seemed because those teams didn't play zone D. The US must improve its zone offense to win the gold...if they do, they can...and will. TD is a great player...no question. Among all players, however, I rate KG and Kobe as more complete...but not by much.</div> <div align="center">Chat Transcript</div> Do you agree with Tim Duncan being an incomplete player or Kobe and Garnett being more of a complete player than Duncan?
Thanks for forwarding the transcript, some good stuff in there. I think he may be saying that Duncan is not a flawless player. Teams don't take advantage of his horrible free throw shooting (as bad a Shaq). And while he has great moves, I don't think his low post moves are as unstoppable as Shaq. It's just a little easier to deny Duncan from doing the things he likes to do. Duncan is really a team player, that's his biggest strength. KG is probably a more complete player, hard to fault him. But is he better? I don't think so. Kobe is more talented, but not flawless (shot selection, teamwork). Is he better? I don't think so. Shaq has tons of flaws, don't even need to list them. Is he better? Yeh, he is, definitely.
^^lol funny how that works isn't it? Kobe is definitely not better than TD and KG. More talented? Yeah probably but not more complete. Well it doesn't really matter how complete you are if you get the job done (Shaq). So basically I'm agreeing with SunshineR.
Wow that is total BS. Tim Duncan and Shaq IMO are the 2 best players in the world at this time. Since Shaq is not playing in Athens(he'd destroy the competition as noone would have an anserwer for him.) Tim Duncacn is the best player playing in the games. No way is Kobe better than Timmy. KG is close but Timmys better by a little just because he can win with role players and KG can't win with 2 all-stars. KG and Kobe are probbly more rounded than Timmy overally but Tmmy is a better player and much more valuable to a team than KG or Kobe alone. TImmy automatically makes his team a top 3 seed as does Shaq.
Duncan is complete, but I agree with Ramsay in that he is not as complete as Kobe or Garnett. Duncan can't shoot free throws very well, and he lacks the intensity and emotion that makes other players great. If Jordan didn't have his desire to win, he wouldn't have been half as good as he was. It's not that Duncan doesn't want to win, but he rarely voices out his opinions, and also never criticizes his teammates. To be a leader, you have to let them know their flaws in order to not let them hold you back.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Trip:</div><div class="quote_post">Duncan is complete, but I agree with Ramsay in that he is not as complete as Kobe or Garnett. Duncan can't shoot free throws very well, and he lacks the intensity and emotion that makes other players great. If Jordan didn't have his desire to win, he wouldn't have been half as good as he was. It's not that Duncan doesn't want to win, but he rarely voices out his opinions, and also never criticizes his teammates. To be a leader, you have to let them know their flaws in order to not let them hold you back.</div> You don't need to scream like a little girl to be a great player, Duncan has proved that over the years. He chooses not to shout at players and get in their faces because thats not the way he was tought how to play the game. Doesn't make him any less of a leader than anyone else. Infact Duncan often has plenty of opinions about whats good or bad, I have never thought criticizing your team-mates does much good. It gets players down and gives them no real confidence. There's more to being a leader than shouting. It's about showing by example on the court.
Jack Ramsey is an Idiot he has something against Tim Duncan and various other players, he once said T-Mac couldnt finish near the hoop.
There is absolutely no basis for saying Duncan isn't a leader. Read this: HE WON CHAMPIONSHIPS. Sure other players won championships while criticizing their teammates. Duncan did it without. He leads by example and as a result the Spurs are probably the most effective and professional team in the league. No crybabies there. As for Ramsay's comment.. He's absolutely right that Kobe and KG are more complete players. Both are able to score inside and out, are very strong defenders, and are leaders. Duncan can do all that but isn't effective from the line and is less athletic. Looking at it from an individual standpoint, yes those two players are probably better.. But stick them on a team and that basically eliminates Kobe (until he proves himself anyway) and it's a tossup between KG and TD; with Tim getting the edge thanks to his rings.
Every player has flaws , but Duncans is the most fixable...he shot 80% from the line a few yrs ago so hes better then what he did last yr , I think he'll do better this yr.KG doesnt play down low , he prefers 15 foot fade-aways and hes probably too un-selfish he doesnt always take charge when he has to and like it has already been said Kobe is selfish and takes bad shots...to me TD's flaw is the easiest one to fix. Duncan also makes a bigger impact on the game then both , he has the ability make his teammates better...something Kobe doesnt do at all and something KG doesnt do as well as TD.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Trip:</div><div class="quote_post">Duncan is complete, but I agree with Ramsay in that he is not as complete as Kobe or Garnett. Duncan can't shoot free throws very well, and he lacks the intensity and emotion that makes other players great. If Jordan didn't have his desire to win, he wouldn't have been half as good as he was. It's not that Duncan doesn't want to win, but he rarely voices out his opinions, and also never criticizes his teammates. To be a leader, you have to let them know their flaws in order to not let them hold you back.</div> Man it always ticks me off when I hear people say Duncan isnt a good leader , doesnt communicate with teammates , or doesnt have as big of a desire as other players just cause he doesnt show emotion.He does do it but like everything else he does , its done quietly , watch a Spurs game or a USA game if theres a problem he always goes over to his teammates and talks to them about the problem...he lets them know quietly instead of loudly and making them look like idiots.Like what KG did to Rasho when he was in Minny , people say he was always criticizing Rasho and as a result Rasho became very quiet and seemed kind of scared (lost a lot of confidence as well).He looks more comfortable here in SA , cause instead of criticizing him Duncan always tries to help him out. He is as good a leader as anyone in the NBA and he has as much desire as anyone to win , him not showing emotion doesnt change that.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting 9SA21SPURS20:</div><div class="quote_post">Duncan also makes a bigger impact on the game then both , he has the ability make his teammates better...something Kobe doesnt do at all and something KG doesnt do as well as TD.</div> Yeah, KG doesn't make his teammates better . I personally think Tim Duncan and Kevin Garnett are the top of the line in the NBA in terms of greatness. Kevin Garnett is a more complete player than Duncan in my opinion. But the facts speak fof themselves and KG is not on Tim level of accomplishments.
its hard to say which of the two are better (between KG and TD), but ramsey is right in the sense duncan's game is not as complete as KG and Kobes... but as everyone has been saying, his game is on par or better than the two. and for those of you who use the argument that KG can't win with 2 all-stars, remember that duncan didnt win in his first year with david robinson either... and he didn't win in his first year with tony parker. that argument is pretty absurd considering KG has only had a good squad for 1 year. when they go head to head, its never one player completely dominating the other, and the games were split last year (including the last 2 when they were both fighting for the 1 seed in the west). so don't say KG can't win with 2 all-stars until he's been given some time to prove it, because duncan didn't win with one of the greatest centers ever in his first year playing with him.
The only problem with Tim is his mental break down at the line. It's hard to believe such a focused great player has a huge mental block like that from the line. But other then that, he's pretty close to being flawless. He makes his teammates better without having to get at um like MJ. He just leads by example and is being real with himself by not trying to get on guys like say MJ again.
i think what the good doctor was trying to impart is that duncan doesn't have the perimeter game of a kg so he isn't as versatile. the kobe thing is interesting because if it wasn't for his indifference towards the game plan and his teammates he could be the greatest winner in professional basketball today. and btw, i think carmelo anthony is going to steal the show this olympics. the zone is going be used on the perimeter shooting weak US squad and melo is arguably the best shooter on the team.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AllNet:</div><div class="quote_post">You don't need to scream like a little girl to be a great player, Duncan has proved that over the years. He chooses not to shout at players and get in their faces because thats not the way he was tought how to play the game. Doesn't make him any less of a leader than anyone else. Infact Duncan often has plenty of opinions about whats good or bad, I have never thought criticizing your team-mates does much good. It gets players down and gives them no real confidence. There's more to being a leader than shouting. It's about showing by example on the court.</div> Many other players get knocked for not being a leader because they don't scream all over the court, or for not having passion due to the same reasons. ...but when you win it's jsut how you are, that's your personality, when you lose it's because you have no heart and are a bad leader
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting og15:</div><div class="quote_post">Many other players get knocked for not being a leader because they don't scream all over the court, or for not having passion due to the same reasons. ...but when you win it's jsut how you are, that's your personality, when you lose it's because you have no heart and are a bad leader </div> Yea people knock VC because he isn't a "leader". Well he wasn't born with that type of personality, its not the kind of person he is...Not all the great players have to be leaders.
Tim Duncan is not an incomplete player. Team USA does seem to be an incomplete team though. It is sadly lacking in offense, defense, cohesion, and international experience. But don't try to put the onus of a first game loss solely on Tim.
I don't know if there is a more complete player than TD. I wish he would have gave his reasoning for that clomment. Anyone can make a claim.
Tim Duncan is the best leader in the NBA. MOst people don't see that because he doesn't yell and show his emotions. Most people see him as a robot who doesn't care about win or lose, but he does. He takes a team full of role playets to a championship. NOt many players at all can do that. Tim Duncan deserves to be on a top 10 players of all time list.
