who is the best allround player/not including retired players

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting durvasa:</div><div class="quote_post">He doesn't really have "weaknesses" as he's above average at everything.</div>

lol you said Tim Duncan has the least weaknesses, but you also say KG doesn't have any. You can't have less then none, and even if you could, everyone knows of at least one weakness that Tim Duncan has.


Kevin Garnett is undeniably the best all around player in the NBA. He is one of the elite in scoring, the best rebounder in the NBA, one of the best passing big men, can shoot from behind the line and can shoot free throws (TD can do neither), and is one of the very best all around defensive players in the NBA (contesting shots, blocking shots, helping out teammates, guarding any position effectively, steals, etc...)

The only thing that Tim Duncan does better then Kevin Garnett is blocking shots, and thats not enough to make him a better all around player.

AK 47, Kobe, Marion are all good picks, but AK47 is only better then KG at defense, and just barely. Kobe is a better ball handler and shooter then KG, but he doesn't play the game as intelligently, and is not as good defensively, or on the boards. He hardly has more assists then KG when hes a SG and KG is a PF.

Marion is pretty good at everything, but hes not better then KG at anything.

 

Lebron James IMO. he cam play forward and guard positions extremely well for a rookie. KG would have to be my 2nd choice. Kobe's a good all around, and so is J Kidd (triple doubles like you cant even imagine).

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">The only thing that Tim Duncan does better then Kevin Garnett is blocking shots, and thats not enough to make him a better all around player.</div>

you are so naive. let's compare:

rebounding: KG (small margin)
blocking: Tim Duncan
Free throw: Kg
stealing: Kg
post play: Duncan
player to build your team around: Duncan
3 point shooting: KG
fundamental: Duncan
basketball IQ: Duncan

No doubt in my mind that Tim Duncan s the most "complete" player in the league. However, Kevin Garnett is the best all-around player. comprehend??


<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Kobe is a better ball handler and shooter then KG, but he doesn't play the game as intelligently, and is not as good defensively, or on the boards</div>

You can never say he is not as good of a rebounder than KG because, first of all KG is a forward and kobe is a guard. Second, you can't compare two different position (which, by the way is 6/7 inches differencial in height) players because of the game intangibles. Kobe stays in the wing becuase he need to guard up and stay behind, while KG comes close to the basket to defend, therefore equals more rebounds. Plus, both are first all-defensive team, so lets just leave it at that and say they are equal on defense.

when you come up with better replies, let's talk.

 

In conclushion:KEVIN GARNETT

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting authentiq:</div><div class="quote_post">you are so naive. let's compare:

rebounding: KG (small margin)
blocking: Tim Duncan
Free throw: Kg
stealing: Kg
post play: Duncan
player to build your team around: Duncan
3 point shooting: KG
fundamental: Duncan
basketball IQ: Duncan

No doubt in my mind that Tim Duncan s the most "complete" player in the league. However, Kevin Garnett is the best all-around player. comprehend??
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lets not leave stats out just to give an advantage to duncan...

passing: KG
ball handling: KG
perimeter defense: KG
athletic ability: KG
Player to build your team around: Subjective

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> You can never say he is not as good of a rebounder than KG because, first of all KG is a forward and kobe is a guard. Second, you can't compare two different position (which, by the way is 6/7 inches differencial in height) players because of the game intangibles. Kobe stays in the wing becuase he need to guard up and stay behind, while KG comes close to the basket to defend, therefore equals more rebounds. Plus, both are first all-defensive team, so lets just leave it at that and say they are equal on defense.</div>

They are not equal on defense. KG can do way more on defense, and if his height remains a factor in it, then so be it... but at the end of the day, he brings more on the defensive end... period.

 

I am best basketball player second is Kevin Garnett..

 

KG obviously possesses skills and athletic abilities that Duncan will never have. And, so in that sense, he's more "all-around." But if you ask, "Who is the most complete player for a big man?" I'd say Tim Duncan. KG is basically a small forward in a center's body. He's got a decent post up game, but where he excels is with his mid-range game. But with his back to the basket, Duncan is far better. He is probably the most complete post player in the game today.

On defense, Garnett's athleticism allows him to block maybe 2 shots a game, and because he's quick he also can get 1-2 steals a game. But he's not an intimidating force around the basket a la Bill Russell or Hakeem Olajuwon. Tim Duncan, however, is. San Antonio has been the preeminent defensive team for the past 4 or 5 years, and that's in large part due to Duncan's ability to block and change shots.

Now, all this doesn't necessarily mean I think Duncan is a better player than Garnett right now (though Duncan has had the better career thus far). Garnett has very unique abilities, and he brings things to his team that no other player in the league can. All I'm saying is that for a player of his size (he's at least 7 feet), you'd like for him to develop his post up play a bit more. Acquire a nice jump hook for instance. Just have a stronger inside presence in general. He does other things to help his team win (things Duncan will never be able to do), but there are more skills he can and should still pick up. Duncan, on the other hand, basically has all the traditional tools and tricks for a big man. He can't create off the dribble like KG, but then that's not his role on his team.

Bottom line, Duncan excels at everything his team asks of him. But there is still scope for improvement in certain necessary aspects of Garnett's game (post play and shot blocking). If Garnett develops these other skills, he'll probably propel himself past Duncan into the top 10 players of all time.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting KG is the MVP:</div><div class="quote_post">lol you said Tim Duncan has the least weaknesses, but you also say KG doesn't have any. You can't have less then none, and even if you could, everyone knows of at least one weakness that Tim Duncan has.
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Let me put it this way. Duncan excels at all aspects of the game expected of a big man. Garnett is a good post up player (so I hesitate to call it a "weakness"), but he's not in the same class as Duncan in that category. Same with shot blocking and general intimidation around the basket. Duncan's presense down low also draws lots of double teams, which create more opportunities for his teammates. Garnett is much better at creating off the dribble, but doesn't draw as many double teams with his post play.

 

Duncan definetely the most complete player in the league. He's got 2 rings. Garnett is just getting out of the first round of the playoffs.
1.Tim Duncan (Closest thing to a pure post player we'll ever see in the NBA at this moment, The post game in the NBA is slowly fizzling itself out.)
2.Jason Kidd ( Best PG in the NBA loads up the stat sheet, with rebounds and assists. Few PG's match that )
3.Yao Ming ( 7'5 Center that's not a walking stick figure. Gets rebounds and can actually do something other than drop step and dunk. Needs to get over the Wilt Chamberlain syndrome though if he's going to win a MVP or get a ring)
4.Richard Hamilton ( The only guy in the NBA with a mid-range game. Can get out on the break and create as well)
5.Kobe Bryant/Kevin Garnett Garnett has the slight advantage. I think Bryant's attitude take away from his already way overblown game)

 

Im a huge Kobe bryant fan but lets be serious the best all around player is JASON KIDD the guy took the sorry New Jersey Nets to 2 finals games after they had a losing mentality also who in the league is a triple double threat not Kg not Duncan not Kobe JASON KIDD

 

You can't call him most complete because he can't shoot. If he had a shot he'd have been MVP in 2002 no question.

 

Ok. Garnett is the more athletic player than Duncan, I forgot about that one, that's my mistake. but with both of them being a power forward/(small) one must play the position the best. And that is Duncan, who is the more "complete" player. why is that so hard to understand for you people?

 

explain how duncan is the more complete player? isnt a complete player a player that can utilize all the tools needed for the game of basketball effectively? if that is the case, then its hands down Garnett. To say which player is better is a different matter (i still say KG, but others may say otherwise)... but in terms of complete, to say its anyone other than KG is just out of line IMO.

 

Tim Duncan almost had a quadruple double in one of the game's versus the Nets in the finals in 2003 he's complete.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">explain how duncan is the more complete player? isnt a complete player a player that can utilize all the tools needed for the game of basketball effectively? if that is the case, then its hands down Garnett. To say which player is better is a different matter (i still say KG, but others may say otherwise)... but in terms of complete, to say its anyone other than KG is just out of line IMO.</div>

why do you KG fans think that he is GOD? and how is it out of line to say that KG is not the most complete? Tim Duncan is the most complete player IMO. KG is argueably the most all-around along with Kobe, but Tim Duncan is the most complete. He does everything you ask a power forward/ center to do and then some. KG is not the most complete, he prefers face up rather than backing down a big man, he lacks size(weight), and he takes the jump shot rather than going inside and playing the post more effectively like Duncan, just to name a few. It's hard to say who is the better of the two(unlike you, who gives up the relentless bias answer without no explanation whatsoever) but you can say who is more complete and who is the better all-around player.

Please, when you come up with better statements that are well-educated, reply.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">1. Kevin Garnett- Can shoot the three when there is no other option which he showed two times when he was forced to throw it up in the playoffs, has argueable the best inside postup ability in the league out side of shaq, the best rebounder in the nba and team leader, has a great mid range game, versital can play anything on the court even point guard at times if they wanted to put him there because he has such great ball handling abilities. MVP Nuff said.

2. Tim Duncan- I am not a fan of him at all, but I have to admit he has one of the best all around game outside of free throw shooting and of course three point shooting. He can rebound, post up, shoot the mid range shot and lead a team. He almost put up a quadrupal double in the finals.

3. Shawn Marion- Good dunker and finisher can rebound, shoot the three, and finish strong as well as having great defensive abilities. Can also creat off the dribble at times and is a pretty good passer.

4. Jason Kidd- Six five great passer and can rebound well for a point guard. Good leader and has great court vision. He is probably the best player in the league while running the break.

5. Steve Francis- A little bias yes. He can lead the league in points if he wants to yet took a smaller roll in houston when Yao joined the team. He is a point guard despite what people may say he is imo just the new generation of point guards. He will perform well running the break in Orlando with all the talent surrounding him. Also has started the all star game the past two years if that counts for anything.
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Amen.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting authentiq:</div><div class="quote_post">why do you KG fans think that he is GOD? and how is it out of line to say that KG is not the most complete? Tim Duncan is the most complete player IMO. KG is argueably the most all-around along with Kobe, but Tim Duncan is the most complete. He does everything you ask a power forward/ center to do and then some. KG is not the most complete, he prefers face up rather than backing down a big man, he lacks size(weight), and he takes the jump shot rather than going inside and playing the post more effectively like Duncan, just to name a few. It's hard to say who is the better of the two(unlike you, who gives up the relentless bias answer without no explanation whatsoever) but you can say who is more complete and who is the better all-around player.

Please, when you come up with better statements that are well-educated, reply.</div>

Again, what is ur definition of a complete player? I regard a complete player as a player who can do all aspects of the game effectively, and there is no doubt Kevin Garnett is the one guy who does it the best. Tim Duncan may be, and probably is, the most complete big man, but that dont make him the most complete player in the game. Kobe may be the most complete guard, but that dont make him the most complete player in the game. Kevin Garnett is the only player who can effectively play as a big man, and as a guard. That is what i call a complete player. You never even heard my reasons for why I think Garnett is the best player in the league and here you are saying my answer is biased. I already said in this post that those two are without a doubt in my mind the two best players in the league, and i dont tell people who believe duncan is the best player in the league they are wrong. So again, let me ask you, how is duncan more complete PLAYER? He can do certain things better than KG, but KG still does all those things duncan does better effectively... and there are alot more things KG does more effectively than duncan, and things KG can do that Duncan cannot do. All you seem to be basing this off is what Duncan can do better than KG. I've openly stated my admiration for Duncan's game, so you saying my opinion is biased is not a true statement at all.

 

^ Agreed, KG can step out and hit a three pointer and be a skip-to-my-lou for seconds and post up a pretty effective game, whereas Duncan can post up a deadly game but he can't shoot a lick from outside and he doesn't dribble as well. Duncan is a more complete big man than KG, but KG is a more complete player than Duncan. It is weird but it is the truth.

 

Duncan has heart.. he is a great leader who encourages teammates. he was the one that carried San Antonio to the finals and got them the championship. that is something KG hasnt been able to accomplish. Therefore Duncan is a more complete player.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting yanix:</div><div class="quote_post">Duncan has heart.. he is a great leader who encourages teammates. he was the one that carried San Antonio to the finals and got them the championship. that is something KG hasnt been able to accomplish. Therefore Duncan is a more complete player.</div>

Yea, your right Duncan has heart, thats something KG doesn't have... he has never expressed his will and desire to win, and he never shows it on the court. And yea, all you need is heart to be a complete player...