<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Jesseca328:</div><div class="quote_post">Emo and Mr._Sac I agree with both of you and you guys are right it was always about ME, ME, ME for Shaq never about WE, WE, WE. But it will all be good cause the cancer has left the building.</div> Shaq's gone,so it's a good thing for the Lakers in the long run.hopefully with Shaq in Miami,the Kings can dominate the Lakers :mrgreen: ...It's a thought you know LOL
To Mr_Sac_King; The difference between the Lakers and Kings is that our cancer is gone unlike yours who's still in the building.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Jesseca328:</div><div class="quote_post">To Mr_Sac_King; The difference between the Lakers and Kings is that our cancer is gone unlike yours who's still in the building. </div> I Plead the 5th on that
/cartman Nya Nya Nya Nya Nya Nya Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ok i'm outta here before I make enemies and have all of you on my back Please do not quote me to flame me or tell me how the heat are doomed I was just playing
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting heatfan83:</div><div class="quote_post">/cartman Nya Nya Nya Nya Nya Nya Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ok i'm outta here before I make enemies and have all of you on my back Please do not quote me to flame me or tell me how the heat are doomed I was just playing </div> I Think someone here's been smoking something LOL
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting heatfan83:</div><div class="quote_post">/cartman Nya Nya Nya Nya Nya Nya Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ok i'm outta here before I make enemies and have all of you on my back Please do not quote me to flame me or tell me how the heat are doomed I was just playing </div> I?m not saying that the Heat are doom but if Shaq continues with his ways the Heat will become a Soap Opera, especially with Jones still there. Correct me if I?m wrong but I don?t think I have heard Shaq say anything about his relationship with Jones being better then the one they had before. I only heard Jones say that wound was healed. We don?t whine we?ve been saying this since Shaq started his down fall.
Wait, remind me again why Jones and Shaq have some anger towards each other? Jones was with the Lakers till 1997 wasn't he? I thought the reason they traded him was to give Kobe more minutes. Or was it cause Shaq demanded him to be traded?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Jesseca328:</div><div class="quote_post">I?m not saying that the Heat are doom but if Shaq continues with his ways the Heat will become a Soap Opera, especially with Jones still there. Correct me if I?m wrong but I don?t think I have heard Shaq say anything about his relationship with Jones being better then the one they had before. I only heard Jones say that wound was healed. We don?t whine we?ve been saying this since Shaq started his down fall.</div> I can't believe you actually wasted your typing speed on a quote by that member, LOL. But I agree...another soap opera will occur in Miami. Shaq is a ego-maniac at best, and do Heat fans actually think their franchise will suddenly resurrect just because the Diesel is in town? Heck, things may go smooth sailing for some months, maybe be in the top three of the Eastern Conference, but if things don't go the way he thought was expected of them, then Shaq's true wrath will come out before it's all said and done, I have no doubts about that. I never even knew Shaq and Eddie Jones ever had a feud going on between them that was so deep in the past.
Maybe the Heat aren't thinking about an injured Shaq. A lineup of Dwyane Wade, Eddie Jones, Dorell Wright, Udonis Haslem and...umm...Doleac or Zhi Zhi (yikes) would be just like last year's, without Odom, Butler, and Grant... That means no playoffs...
To Emo:I'm still pretty new so I don't know who to ignore. To Emo and Spawn: I heard that it was Shaq that wanted Jones to be traded from LA for what reason I dob't know but I don't think it was to give KB some more min. Im not positive so Im going to go do some research to support my opinion.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Jesseca328:</div><div class="quote_post">I?m not saying that the Heat are doom but if Shaq continues with his ways the Heat will become a Soap Opera, especially with Jones still there. Correct me if I?m wrong but I don?t think I have heard Shaq say anything about his relationship with Jones being better then the one they had before. I only heard Jones say that wound was healed. We don?t whine we?ve been saying this since Shaq started his down fall.</div>The only thing's I've heard shaq say is that he had a talk with EJ and he told him that he's just coming down to Miami to take care of business and to help bring a championship to the team, however that is interpreted (maybe bring champion = ej has to go?). EJ said the beef is squashed and they're both just looking forward to winning next season. EJ even welcomed Shaq coming to play for the Heat because he knows how a player like Shaq can really help a team out (especially when your starting center is Brian Grant) and how he makes the game that much easier for everyone. Either way time will tell. But I'm sure if it came down to them both beefing again, I wonder who will get the boot . Something that might go off topic but sticks between jessica and I: I think Shaq has been reborn by leaving the lakers, which is something I've been saying for a while now but I finally have some proof: he actually has started putting off the weight. He's also been trying to redeem himself by saying that he will not be here to criticize players and if they want his opinion on what to do better, they can ask him. Even when they were asking him who's team the Heat was, the only disagreements were that shaq was saying it was wade's team and that wade was saying it was shaq's team. He made it very clear that he wanted to help build this team for dwyane wade to have him lead it, as a true pg should. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting realdealbneal:</div><div class="quote_post">Maybe the Heat aren't thinking about an injured Shaq. A lineup of Dwyane Wade, Eddie Jones, Dorell Wright, Udonis Haslem and...umm...Doleac or Zhi Zhi (yikes) would be just like last year's, without Odom, Butler, and Grant... That means no playoffs...</div>Randy Pfund said that Shaq getting injured and his past injuries was an issue they were looking at very closely before deciding to make the trade. Plus, we've made the playoffs with Brian Grant, and he's awful, so no worries there. Ok enough from me, gbye guys.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting heatfan83:</div><div class="quote_post"> Something that might go off topic but sticks between jessica and I: I think Shaq has been reborn by leaving the lakers, which is something I've been saying for a while now but I finally have some proof: he actually has started putting off the weight. He's also been trying to redeem himself by saying that he will not be here to criticize players and if they want his opinion on what to do better, they can ask him. Even when they were asking him who's team the Heat was, the only disagreements were that shaq was saying it was wade's team and that wade was saying it was shaq's team. He made it very clear that he wanted to help build this team for dwyane wade to have him lead it, as a true pg should. </div> Sorry Emo for responding to this person again. Have you not read the whole thread or something? What you wrote is what we're mad at. Why did Shaq change his ways when he left the Lakers why couldn't he do it when the fans and critics asked him, we've been asking him to get in shape for at least 2 years. Correct me if I?m wrong but Shaq has always criticize players from his own team, since he was in Orlando, and he always seem to do it in the media. Plus I don't think players (KB) ask for his opinion. Can he do it through a private conversation or something? About whose team is it I go with the same question, why couldn't he take the backseat and let KB run the team? Also of course he's going to say is Wades team because he knows that that would get on KB's and some of the fans nerves. And do you really think that he would let a 20something year-old player lead a team. He couldn't let KB do it so why change.
I've come back from doing my research about the Jones trade. I was wrong Jones asked to be traded because of O'neal, which is kind of the same thing. http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/wire?section=nba&id=1841659
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> Have you not read the whole thread or something? What you wrote is what we're mad at. Why did Shaq change his ways when he left the Lakers why couldn't he do it when the fans and critics asked him, we've been asking him to get in shape for at least 2 years. Correct me if I?m wrong but Shaq has always criticize players from his own team, since he was in Orlando, and he always seem to do it in the media. Plus I don't think players (KB) ask for his opinion. Can he do it through a private conversation or something? About whose team is it I go with the same question, why couldn't he take the backseat and let KB run the team? Also of course he's going to say is Wades team because he knows that that would get on KB's and some of the fans nerves. And do you really think that he would let a 20something year-old player lead a team. He couldn't let KB do it so why change </div> I agree. Shaq is saying "This is Wade's team" as he did with Kobe and Penny. However, he knows, as well as Wade, that this is his team. If he truly supports Wade then he'd let him take more shots but if Wade were to do that and the Heat started losing, the old Shaq will show his true colors. It's only so long you can act like you aren't the old you before the old you shines out. O'Neal will be coexisting with Wade I'm sure, but for how long is the question? Shaq brings extra drama to Miami and his championship promises are nothing short of eye candy for the media. Heat fans, I suggest you wait for the Heat's first losing streak of the season, when things aren't going your way and look at Shaq's press conferences, the true colors will show. On another note, now you guys are stuck with a slower paced, "base it all on Shaq becuase if he doesnt touch the ball 9 times in a set play he will complain" offense. Have fun. You guys will win games no doubt but its safer to bet the Heat won't be making the Finals, much less bringing the championship to Miami.
Just a quick thought...how is Shaq going to adopt a new offense, after playing the triangle throughout the best years of his career? Also, Kobe/Shaq took three years and one of the greatest coaches ever, Phil Jackson. Think about this...Kobe/Shaq started in 1996, correct? Well, three years after that, Phil returned from his one-year layoff from the Bulls to coach the Lakers, and they win a title in that season. Shaq has an ego, and Eddie Jones knows that already...it'll only take a week or so when the Heat lose a few, when Wade soon finds out Shaq is always the one pointing fingers. A guy with three championships and known as being the most dominant force in the NBA will definitely blame Wade (a 2nd year kid) for a loss than himself...and when it happens consistently, who's to say Wade won't see through him like Penny and Kobe did? Yeah, all of you Shaq fans eat it up that he left LA...but if he's so great, why is he being shipped away for a second time in his career? Jordan stayed with the Bulls until he retired...he just came to the Wizards because he was a part of them after retirement. Olajuwon stayed with the Rockets his entire career until he was ready to retire...then he sucked on the Raptors. Same with Patrick Ewing. Shaq, like all superstars, is slowing down and creeping up on retirement...he's losing poise, energy, and the ability to play. This is why he left to another team for possibly the last time...because the Heat may give him that extension that they are already talking about, which means a bigger chance to end up like Grant Hill: hurt, sitting the bench and getting paid.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting PupMelo:</div><div class="quote_post">From calling Kobe "his idol" and "the best player in the NBA" to dissing him publicly... this guy just speaks based entirely on his mood. I guess Shaq made those flattering comments in the 2001 playoffs just because he was happy his team won the game (Game 1, Conference Final against Spurs) that Kobe actually won it (48 pts). I believe his comments were based on respect for Kobe but I guess he's willing to say or admit it simply because he was just too happy at that moment. Then when the last two season Lakers failed to win the championships, he felt he had to vent his frustration at someone, but that someone has gotta be someone who was not close to him so if the relationships were to be broken, he'd have nothing to lose. Phil? No, Shaq's pretty close to him. Kobe? Yes!</div> This was very upsetting for me. I still have love for shaq just as I have love for every player to wear a laker uniform. But I am very disheartened everytime I hear about him dissin KB or any of the Lakers for that matter. He still acts like a baby, and still wants to be #1. I think he needs to take lessons from the admiral about respect and pride. Robinson was a true gentlemen.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting realdealbneal:</div><div class="quote_post"> Yeah, all of you Shaq fans eat it up that he left LA...but if he's so great, why is he being shipped away for a second time in his career? Jordan stayed with the Bulls until he retired...he just came to the Wizards because he was a part of them after retirement. Olajuwon stayed with the Rockets his entire career until he was ready to retire...then he sucked on the Raptors. Same with Patrick Ewing. Shaq, like all superstars, is slowing down and creeping up on retirement...he's losing poise, energy, and the ability to play. This is why he left to another team for possibly the last time...because the Heat may give him that extension that they are already talking about, which means a bigger chance to end up like Grant Hill: hurt, sitting the bench and getting paid.</div> Well hes getting shipped away for the 1st time in his career actually. He came to LA as a free agent. Andh e;s geting shipped because of a man named Kobe Bryant(maybe you've heard of him ) When you have 2 big egos like Shaq and Kobe theres going to be a probelm. MJ had a big ego and Pippen did'nt. Pippen was happy to take the back seat. How about Hakeem? He never had a Kobe Bryant on his team. And I see it wrong how you're not counting their late careers too. IT still counts even though they suck. Hakeem retirement is with the Raptors. Shaq is now in shape and has Dwyane Wade who is happy to take the back seat to be his partner. I don't know why you always say he'll go down with an injury for the whole season adn their sarting center will be Micheal Doleac. Anyway, I think Shaq going out of shape,leaving,and everything else you blame on him are to blame on both Shaq and Kobe. THey could've settle their diferences, but I guess they just couldn't. I kind of understood how they felt though. When ever I hate some one really bad I never try and put aside our differences. I don't know why Lakers fans always kiss Kobes ass. I don't see what he did that SHaq did in success. Shaq has done more for the Lakers organization than Kobe has. Face the Fact Laker fans.
I am not a Laker fan, but I loved to watch the Lakers and found myself rooting for them because, as a basketball fan, I love to see the best players in the game play. The Lakers had two (Shaq and Kobe). I would not be mad at Shaq because he was the best player in the whole world every year he was with LA, excluding the first couple years when Jordan held that title. This includes last year. He carried the team to three titles, that's something to be respected. Us poor Mavs fans aren't spoiled by dozens of titles like the LA fans are. As a basketball fan, and a guy that watches every team, my perspective is that Kobe has always been an elite player in this league. I don't think the Lakers could have had the success they had without Kobe being the Yin to Shaq's Yang. Shaq was the man, but he needed Kobe to win championships. Last year, I felt that Kobe blew it for the Lakers. With all due respect to Detroit, LA should have won. But Detroit was a team, and LA was definitely not a team. The feud between Shaq and Kobe had obviously taken it's toll. But Shaq still ruled on the court, while Kobe crumbled into a jealous ball hog who consistently jacked up horrible shots. It was too much for the greatest coach of all time. It was too much for the best player in the game. It was too much for two future hall of famers (Malone and Payton). So I'd be mad at Kobe for letting his envy destroy one of the greatest teams of all time.
All you guys are focusing on Shaq. What about all that business with Kobe wanting Shaq out? You guys are acting as if Kobe is a saint. Don't forget why he is on trial. ONe of you suggested that Shaq should take a backseat. Why? A lot of you play basketball, right? Do you like it when people disrespect your contribution? Why should Shaq like it anymore? I'm not defending Shaq, but you guys beating up on him is ridiculous. They both want to be seen as the best player on the team, or at least equal. I personally think Kobe's ego is too big. He thinks he doesn't need Shaq, but he'll find you. The moral of the story is, they both needed each other.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting white_bread:</div><div class="quote_post">All you guys are focusing on Shaq. What about all that business with Kobe wanting Shaq out? You guys are acting as if Kobe is a saint. Don't forget why he is on trial. ONe of you suggested that Shaq should take a backseat. Why? A lot of you play basketball, right? Do you like it when people disrespect your contribution? Why should Shaq like it anymore? I'm not defending Shaq, but you guys beating up on him is ridiculous. They both want to be seen as the best player on the team, or at least equal. I personally think Kobe's ego is too big. He thinks he doesn't need Shaq, but he'll find you. The moral of the story is, they both needed each other.</div> Shaq is being focused on because of the bitter nonsense that's been going on since he departed LA and arrived in Miami. Nobody here is treating Kobe like a saint. It's just that when it's all said and done, most Laker fans here including myself would perfer Kobe over Shaq because face the facts, Kobe comes and plays hard every night, (toss out the Sacramento game of course) he's worth every penny in his new 131.5 million dollar contract and will sure live up to his contract, he's arguably the best shooting guard in the game today, and the Lakers have a brighter future ahead than with an aging Shaq. Shaq should take a backseat because while he was still with the Lakers, he was overweight. He wasn't as mobile as he used to be. He'd take a ton of beatings from his opponents each and every night, and that slowed him down on his offensive opportunities from the field. He just wasn't that dominant force anymore. He was still the same old Shaq at 330 pounds, but started losing steps as if he was slowly crippling. And one of the most annoying things about Shaq is he'd never give credit to Kobe even when it was Kobe that bailed the Lakers out in critical games aka the finale at Portland and Game 2 of the NBA Finals. Nobody wants to be the #2 option ever on a basketball team when you have egos doing battle constantly, but Shaq is coming up on age 35, and that 35th year means something no athlete ever wants to hear. Wear and tear. Shaq may have started shedding pounds at Miami, but sooner or later he's just going to have to put the shoes away and call it a career. Kobe on the other hand recently turned 26 years old and at least has 10 years of basketball life left in him. And who would you rather build around? An aging Shaq that wants MORE MONEY even though he's being owed 29.4 million this year, or a 26 year old superstar? My vote is Kobe. In the years to come, we can build around him with an even better supporting cast, and hopefully more championship rings on Kobe's fingers and the critics with nothing to say but the sounds of silence.
