<div class="quote_poster">Quoting heatfan83:</div><div class="quote_post"> Shouldn't something be done about this lady? I mean, she did waste a lot of tax payer's money and time. She should be some way punished to send a message that you shouldn't go around accusing people of a crime just because they are a celebrity, have a lot of money, or have something that you want.</div> what exactly do you want to do? Bryant, for all intents and purposes admitted to it & based on that you would be using her to make an example of someone for doing what exactly....... telling the truth? She said it happened, now he says it happened... ok so it happened. I find it odd that people are still saying that he didnt do it when he himself says he did. but then again, no one ever told me that everyone in the world was forced to operate on the principle of logic.. so I guess I'll have to chalk it up to that... it would appear that this is a quid pro quo situation where she agreed to drop the criminal case providing that he settle the civil one out of court.
Guys, he didn't just come out and say that he actually did it. It can be interpreted in different ways...and obviously some guys are going to say that he means that he raped her, and others will say different.
Two thirds of all sexual assaults go unreported the police. Society assigns blame to the victim. "Why do people assign blame to apparently innocent victims for their injuries? One explanation is that we want to believe the world is just, i.e., that innocent persons like ourselves will not be victimized." Melvin J. Lerner, The Desire for Justice and Reactions to Victims. Of course, we have a lot of facts here in this case, but we don't have the whole story. Not all of the discovery is given to us, the public. Studies have shown the juries are extremely prejudiced against women who are percieved at all to be "loose," even going so far as to acquit a man who kidnapped a woman and assaulted her, because she was wearing a "short miniskirt with no underwear." There's something clearly wrong, there. While making false accusations is a crime in some states, it has to be proven to the point of perjury - that the act was, beyond a reasonable doubt, true. There's no way that could happen. That's my 2 cents.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Verticle:</div><div class="quote_post">This is very good news for Kobe, but w/e happened to that other girl that said Kobe attacked or did something to her in Shaq's house in Orlando is she completely out of this story? Funny how Jane Doe as people are reffering to her as the girl who wanted justice not money dropped the criminal case, but is still pending on the civil law sue.</div> The florida girl has never been proven and coming from the source (SI) I wouldn't believe it or take that magazine serious. I think that the civil case is not going to happen I think the letter of apology was plan of the deal to drop the civil case with some money on the side. The criminal case was a loser. :thumbsdow
Do I hear a Laker Hater that thought KB is going to jail so our team may have some hope. I just notice you're a King Fan. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting harbingerofdoom:</div><div class="quote_post">what exactly do you want to do? Bryant, for all intents and purposes admitted to it & based on that you would be using her to make an example of someone for doing what exactly....... telling the truth? She said it happened, now he says it happened... ok so it happened.</div> Can you tell me where in the letter it says "I admit it I raped ****". In the whole letter all he says is that he apologizes to his family and hers. That he truly believes that he didn't do it but that in her mind she believes he did. Whose word would you take a bipolar person (****) who has had a history of suicide attempts? Or KB who for most of his NBA life has been nothing but a clean image until this allegations came to life? <font color="DarkOrange">Don't reveal the accuser's name, even if the criminal case is over. -Zhone</font>
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting jetlee6509:</div><div class="quote_post">Im kinda confused because Kobe is apolgizin and questionin her idea bout consenual sex? But she wont go on the stand during the crimnal case but she would during a civil case dealing wit money? But i also have a question bout Kobes stament why did the prosecution read his stament and not his deffense team. Thats somethin no one is talkin bout</div> Kobe apologized because is probably part of dropping the civil case, we knew that the criminal case was a loser so why would KB take a deal there. She's not going to take the stand on the civil case because more then likely they will settle out of court for money. I hope he doesn't do it cause that will upset lots of people. Plus we have to think why would KB give her any money when she has cost him more then what she will get. KB's statements were probably made by his people who gave it to Kate?s civil case attorney who later after Hul"butt"s conference decided to release it to the media. It wasn't the prosecution who said it was her private lawyers. I also heard that Pamela Mackey said those comments while Hulbert was dropping the charges in court today.
Jesseca328, that's what I was trying to say...I'm just being ignored jk He never admitted that he raped her...I don't know why his words are so easily twisted around.
From a legal perspective: The prosecution did a very poor job on all the preliminary issues and all the evidence issues. What the jury would have heard would have been incredibly prejudicial against the accuser because they were not able to excluse abundant character testimony on the accuser, and at the same time, were unable to include numerous items of evidence that would have helped their case. If your case looked pretty much like a loser AND you were going to have your character dragged through the mud (it's pretty bad already as I see on the board here), would you go through with it? You could have a fresh start on the civil case which has a different, lower burden of proof and you could also make better arguments as to the evidenciary and pretrial issues to make a much better case. This doesn't rebut any of the motivations you pointed out above, but it certainly raises a different interpretations of the events.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting realdealbneal:</div><div class="quote_post">Jesseca328, that's what I was trying to say...I'm just being ignored jk He never admitted that he raped her...I don't know why his words are so easily twisted around.</div> This people are just KB and LAKER haters that were hoping that he would be in prison by the time the season began. They had hope that with KB in jail they would have had a better chance.
Okay, I just watched a clip on ESPN (ESPN Motion), and according to Jim "take it for what its worth" Gray, he says that Kobe agreed to sign that statement apologizing to the victim as a deal to drop the charges. Gray also claims that Kobe is still firm that he did not rape her, and has vowed to fight the civil suit and not pay her a penny.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting durvasa:</div><div class="quote_post">I think this report might be a mistake. On ESPN.com, it says that Kobe's lawyers are the ones filing the motion. That would make more sense.</div>Nope not a mistake. Now Kobe can train without worries and get ready for the season with his new teammates
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Zhone:</div><div class="quote_post">You could have a fresh start on the civil case which has a different, lower burden of proof and you could also make better arguments as to the evidenciary and pretrial issues to make a much better case. This doesn't rebut any of the motivations you pointed out above, but it certainly raises a different interpretations of the events.</div> You can have a fresh start at the civil case but (can) worse things can happen there? Not only will she and KBs whole sexual history, from when she (he) first lost their virginity to the last time she(he) had sex, will me made public but both are likely to testify. What is mind boggling is that why would she not testify in the criminal case but go with the civil case where she is more at risk to be dragged through worse mud. From KB's perspective I don't think he cared about what people might said, what?s worse then being accused of rape, he was ready to go to trial and let everyone hear all this dirt about him.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting notMuchgame:</div><div class="quote_post">Okay, I just watched a clip on ESPN (ESPN Motion), and according to Jim "take it for what its worth" Gray, he says that Kobe agreed to sign that statement apologizing to the victim as a deal to drop the charges. Gray also claims that Kobe is still firm that he did not rape her, and has vowed to fight the civil suit and not pay her a penny.</div> I don't know if I can believe that. Why make her drop the charges when the case looked like a win for TeamKobe. Plus if they won the case that would give her less of a chance of winning the civil case.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Jesseca328:</div><div class="quote_post">I don't know if I can believe that. Why make her drop the charges when the case looked like a win for TeamKobe. Plus if they won the case that would give her less of a chance of winning the civil case.</div> Because he doesn't know if it's a sure win....A lot of evidence is in his favor, but do u really take that chance? 95% of Eagle County is white, or as Gray put it "not his peers." It wasn't a sure thing that Kobe would have gotten off. There is still that slight doubt. They offered hiim a guarenteed escape, where all he had to do was apologize and it was over. In that situation, would u really roll the dice and risk losing your whole livelyhood - family, career, freedom - over that? In that statement, Kobe did not admit guilt, he merely acknowledged the victims side of the story. that perhaps the encouter was a "misunderstanding" if u will...
Yes, some similar problems may arise during the civil suit as far as harming her reputation, although there may be information that will not be available for either side at the civil trial if the plaintiff's lawyers are smarter this time around and focus their scope of questioning. The difference is that in the criminal suit, she would have had to personally admit and attest to these issues and face the jury. This could be different in the civil court, because if counsel does a good job, she will have a lot less pressure on the stand. Although the public harm is already done, at least she will not face the immediate pressure of being a witness who has a mountain of admitted evidence against her. In the criminal case, she could have expected the hardest questions and the strongest accusations against her (and having to admit to these things under oath), which will not be likely in the civil case.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting notMuchgame:</div><div class="quote_post">Because he doesn't know if it's a sure win....A lot of evidence is in his favor, but do u really take that chance? 95% of Eagle County is white, or as Gray put it "not his peers." It wasn't a sure thing that Kobe would have gotten off. There is still that slight doubt. They offered hiim a guarenteed escape, where all he had to do was apologize and it was over. In that situation, would u really roll the dice and risk losing your whole livelyhood - family, career, freedom - over that? In that statement, Kobe did not admit guilt, he merely acknowledged the victims side of the story. that perhaps the encouter was a "misunderstanding" if u will...</div> I totally agree with you and that is what I'm trying to get through some peoples heads. Take a look at this pic. What a beautiful picture. http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...r3457904937.jpg
I found this in todays LATimes paper. From a Harvard Law School criminal law expert Alan Dershowitz. He says about the letter, "We are now involved in a very complicated game of chess," Dershowitz said. "It clearly is a negotiated statement. Not a word of that was written by Kobe. You can see the lawyers' hands all over that. It is very artfully done." Isn't some of that what I've been trying to say.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Zhone:</div><div class="quote_post">Yes, some similar problems may arise during the civil suit as far as harming her reputation, although there may be information that will not be available for either side at the civil trial if the plaintiff's lawyers are smarter this time around and focus their scope of questioning. The difference is that in the criminal suit, she would have had to personally admit and attest to these issues and face the jury. This could be different in the civil court, because if counsel does a good job, she will have a lot less pressure on the stand. Although the public harm is already done, at least she will not face the immediate pressure of being a witness who has a mountain of admitted evidence against her. In the criminal case, she could have expected the hardest questions and the strongest accusations against her (and having to admit to these things under oath), which will not be likely in the civil case.</div> I know what you mean. I got this from the LATimes which is pretty much what you said. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">That is one of several factors that could spur negotiations to settle the civil case quickly. If there is no settlement, the accuser will have a chance to renew the argument about how much evidence of her sexual history can be presented to the jury, Anderson said. The accuser could "potentially get a more carefully limited ruling" that would keep the defense from presenting as much evidence about her personal life, Anderson said. Moreover, in a civil case, the alleged victim could also require Bryant to testify under oath in a deposition in which he could be asked detailed questions about his own sexual history. He could not have been forced to testify in a criminal case.</div>
