He's demanding a trade from the Hornets, and although we don't exactly need him we could possibly work out a trade involving Steve Francis. What are your thoughts on him/the situation?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Ice:</div><div class="quote_post">He's demanding a trade from the Hornets, and although we don't exactly need him we could possibly work out a trade involving Steve Francis. What are your thoughts on him/the situation?</div> I didnt hear that, but I wouldnt do that trade. Baron really wore down last year after having that great start, and I just think Francis will be better at running a fast break team than Davis. The two players are very similar though. They both make great posters out of anyone in the lane.
Nah, don't trade Francis. He's been through enough this summer, and trading him to New Orleans would destroy the delicate trust that he just had in Orlando. Personally, I don't think that Davis is better than Francis. Francis is not as injury-prone, and will not take so many three-pointers. Francis is also a better on-the-ball defender, and a better rebounder. Don't get me wrong, I'm a fan of Davis too, but I don't see much point in trading one great player for another similar one.
Heres a link to the story - http://msnbc.msn.com/id/5901547/ Baron and Francis are very similar players; they are both shoot first PGs. One of the reasons Baron wore down towards the end of the season was because he had to do most of it by himself. (Ex: Tracy McGrady) If he were to come to Orlando his role would be different and he would have several options to go to. This season Orlando has added depth, and theres multiple players capable of contributing. Baron led the leauge in steals, and 3 pointers attempted. Although the steals were great, I'd like to see him work on his shot selection from 3 point territory. I wouldn't want to see Steve go - It was just an option to toss out there. However, I'm sure theres several out there who would trade him straight up for Baron.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting crazytown:</div><div class="quote_post">Give me the guy who isn't injury prone(Francis) over the other.</div> Yeah, you wouldn't want a potential Grant Hill.
I've never really liked Baron Davis that much, I think that he's rather overrated. That's just me though. I don't see him fitting in with our offense here, and I don't think that the Magic would trade Francis for him. He's a great player, but why kill the little team chemistry that we have between our starters now? To split up a combo that knows each other so well like Francis and Mobley is suicide. Interesting idea though.
I agree with explosive, i wouldnt like to see Francis and Mobley split up anytime soon (as long as there isnt any locker room drama), and yes Francis and Davis are both very similar players, and they might want to dump "not so monster" mash on us.
As much as I like B-Diddy, I don't see this trade happening... Hornets wouldn't want an upset Francis, Mobley would loose his boy, Davis would not nesceserally fit in, Jameer's minutes would also slightly drop. Maybe there's a 3-way in the works or something...
I don't like the idea of us trading Francis since he's the person that's said and is known to lead this team. He isn't injury prone like B-Diddy and also doesn't take as many unnecasey three-pointers. Francis also has mr.diddy in defense(if you ask me)and that's something we could use.
If I was NOH, I'd never trade Baron for Francis, not that Francis is bad, but Baron is better. Baron is probably the top defensive PG in the leauge now with Eric Snow and Andre Miller, since Kidd is hampered by injures, and his age is catching up to him. Also NOH's performance last year with Wesley, Mashburn, and even Baron's himself injured was pretty impressive, while Baron was there, they won 36 of their 41 games, and he did really good for the team. The team also was limited in scoring, and especially in bench scoring, and his assists only dropped after he got injured, and also because of lack of people to pass to. Also his FG% might seem bad, but he was the same in FG efficiency as Marbury, and better than Francis, and career wise he's better than Marbury, so it's not as bad as it looks, just brought down because he took a lot of three's, but in terms of points per shot, it's just as good as Stephon.
I dont see the Magic going after him,trading Steve Francis agfain would not be the best idea he is a very emotional guy and I dont think he could handle to trades in the same season. Plus Francis could put up B.Diddy numbers,but his last year with the Rockets wasnt as good because of Van Gundys system.,this year with the Magic I expect him to put up 20 5 and 5 ,very similar to BD's numbers. Also Francis is not as injury prone as Baron Davis is and you always should keep the stars who stay healthy over the ones who miss a lot of games.
Steve Francis has been through way to much this off season he does not deserve to be traded again. He may also do what Gary Payton did when he was traded this off season and not show up and threaten not to play do to the disrespect that we would be showing him if he traded him after making all that effort to make him feel at home when we got him. I personally would no longer be a Magic fan if they stabbed stevey in the back like that for a injury prone player who stevey is equal to in talent if not better.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Pure Skillz:</div><div class="quote_post">Steve Francis has been through way to much this off season he does not deserve to be traded again. He may also do what Gary Payton did when he was traded this off season and not show up and threaten not to play do to the disrespect that we would be showing him if he traded him after making all that effort to make him feel at home when we got him. I personally would no longer be a Magic fan if they stabbed stevey in the back like that for a injury prone player who stevey is equal to in talent if not better.</div> Although dollar bills overshadow loyalties, I don't see Weisbrod trading Francis after convincing him to play in Orlando. Another thing: what is Baron's current contract?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Anton:</div><div class="quote_post">Although dollar bills overshadow loyalties, I don't see Weisbrod trading Francis after convincing him to play in Orlando. Another thing: what is Baron's current contract?</div> He is signed for the next five years and his salary increases each year. In the 2004-05 season he will be making 11,326, 219 in the 2005-06 he will be making 12,584,688. Then his salary ups again for the 2006-07 season to 13, 583,157 and it rises to two more times to 15,101,626 and eventually to 16,360,095 in its finally year totally contract value is 67,957,316.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting og15:</div><div class="quote_post">If I was NOH, I'd never trade Baron for Francis, not that Francis is bad, but Baron is better.</div> I gotta agree with you there. I don't understand how so many people in here can say Francis is better than Davis with a straight face (i'm assuming they typed with a straight face, lol). Francis is a player who has yet to find a position. Davis is a "point guard" who can play the point effectively, and he can score effectively as well. If you need him to be a passer, he'll pass. If you need him to score, he can get into that mode as well. Francis is a nice player, but 5 years into his career and he's still in that no-mans land position wise. He still looks like a 2 trying to play the point. He's shown year in and year out he can't run an offense and create for his teammates effectively. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Wink23:</div><div class="quote_post"> I just think Francis will be better at running a fast break team than Davis.</div> Have you ever seen Francis run a break? It's not a pretty sight. On the other side, Davis is top 5 in the league in leading breaks IMO
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Silky Smooth:</div><div class="quote_post">I dont see the Magic going after him,trading Steve Francis agfain would not be the best idea he is a very emotional guy and I dont think he could handle to trades in the same season. Plus Francis could put up B.Diddy numbers,but his last year with the Rockets wasnt as good because of Van Gundys system.,this year with the Magic I expect him to put up 20 5 and 5 ,very similar to BD's numbers. Also Francis is not as injury prone as Baron Davis is and you always should keep the stars who stay healthy over the ones who miss a lot of games.</div> Francis is a better rebounder than Baron, and he can put up 20-5-6, but Baron can put up 20-4-8, I'd rather have 8 assists from my PG than 5 or 6 rebounds as opposed to 4. Baron is also a better defender, and a better point guard. Like NMG said, if you need him to pass, he can do it, and if you need him to score he can do it. Francis has been trying for a long time and just hasn't gotten to that mode, he's still a SG with mad handles.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting og15:</div><div class="quote_post">Baron is also a better defender, and a better point guard. Like NMG said, if you need him to pass, he can do it, and if you need him to score he can do it. Francis has been trying for a long time and just hasn't gotten to that mode, he's still a SG with mad handles.</div> I am not sure about Baron being the better defender,I have seeb him break down defensivley in the playoffs before he had some troubles containing Dwyane Wade in the playoffs and also had t rouble guarding AI the year before that.Its mainly because his knees give him trouble and thats always a big disadvantage on defense.
