What Are We Missing?

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  1. Avery

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    I believe that majority of us are pleased with the current roster. We added some depth in our roster, athleticism, youth and we also have a mix of veterans in our team. And I believe (as well as some others) that we are legitimate Eastern Conference contenders. However, we're proclaimed Eastern Conference contenders but not the real deal. So the question is what's holding us back from being REAL EC contenders. We hear teams such as the Pistons, Heat and Pacers being EC contenders, but why not us?

    We have great offensive players in Allen Iverson, Willie Green, and Aaron Mckie and so on. We also have some defense in Dalembert, Williamson, Jackson and some others. Not to mention, we have energy players like Iguodala and Green. But the one thing that we somewhat lack is perimeter shooting. Now, that may not be as big of problem because the mid-range game is a lost art in the NBA and we're not the only team that?s suffering from this. And yet another flaw is that we have some depth in our Center position, but we don't necessarily have any big bodies. This may be somewhat of a problem, because the core of our defense is our big men and everything on the defense end is going to start with them. But then again, virtually every team in the East lack depth at the Center position, so that?s just may be another break for us. But I still believe that we?re in need of another big body other than Marc Jackson.

    And yet with all of that, we're not EC contenders just Atlantic Division contenders. So what areas are there to be worked on? What holes should be filled in other than what I?ve mentioned, like the lack of big bodies and perimeter shooting?
     
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    I bealive we have solid perimeter shooting,we have pure shooters like Aaron Mckie,Kyle Korver,and Glenn Robinson,also AI looks like he has touched up his shooting a little bit.

    We also have solid defenders on are team also,people like Allen,Iggy,Mckie,Green,and Dalembert are the Sixers main defenders.

    I do agree we need more depth at C also,imagine if Dalembert gets a season ending injury,we have Marc Jackson to back him up but there is a good chance he could be hurt to,again my solution to more depth is Keon Clark.

    In the end we are missing a star player to assist AI imo,for us to win anythng big we would need a big name player alongside AI.
     
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    This is an easy question to answer. The 76ers are and have always been missing a true center like most teams in the NBA. The 76ers need a 7 footer weighting anywhere between 280-310lbs. that can hold his own. I no there is no way the 76ers could or would ever get a shaq like guy but maybe someone who could do 1/2 the damage like him. Dalembert is good but not a true center, he should be a PF in this day and age.

    Not to leave you all hanging so here are a few centers I think would be nice:

    Ervin Johnson (MINN) - big guy who alters shoots and can rebound

    Rasho Nesterovic (SA) - very good body to have around the basket and can knock down outside jumpers

    Big Z (CLE) - great all-round center offense and defense with high pencentage shooting
     
  4. TheAnswerIsAi3

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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Avery:</div><div class="quote_post">I believe that majority of us are pleased with the current roster. We added some depth in our roster, athleticism, youth and we also have a mix of veterans in our team. And I believe (as well as some others) that we are legitimate Eastern Conference contenders. However, we're proclaimed Eastern Conference contenders but not the real deal. So the question is what's holding us back from being REAL EC contenders. We hear teams such as the Pistons, Heat and Pacers being EC contenders, but why not us?

    We have great offensive players in Allen Iverson, Willie Green, and Aaron Mckie and so on. We also have some defense in Dalembert, Williamson, Jackson and some others. Not to mention, we have energy players like Iguodala and Green. But the one thing that we somewhat lack is perimeter shooting. Now, that may not be as big of problem because the mid-range game is a lost art in the NBA and we're not the only team that?s suffering from this. And yet another flaw is that we have some depth in our Center position, but we don't necessarily have any big bodies. This may be somewhat of a problem, because the core of our defense is our big men and everything on the defense end is going to start with them. But then again, virtually every team in the East lack depth at the Center position, so that?s just may be another break for us. But I still believe that we?re in need of another big body other than Marc Jackson.

    And yet with all of that, we're not EC contenders just Atlantic Division contenders. So what areas are there to be worked on? What holes should be filled in other than what I?ve mentioned, like the lack of big bodies and perimeter shooting?</div>




    See the thing with the 76ers is that Allen Iverson never has any help. Hes all by himself in scoring and in trying to lead this team to a ring. He had Mutombo that was a big help to the team because that year they were in the Finals. Mutombo wasnt enough. But they then traded him for Van Horn wasnt it? They made it to the playoffs i believe with Van Horn but then failed again so they trade him and end up with Glenn Robinson. He was hurt for the whole season almost and Mark Jackson and Allen Iverson. They all were hurt. Thats exactly why we didnt make the playoffs like we did last year. Because our HOF was hurt for 30+ games. Glenn Robinson is somewhat of a help scoring 16 ppg also and thats most of the help outta him...not to mention Kenny Thomas doing really well when Iverson and Glenn were still hurt. I think that if all of our players played 82 games...we would have made the playoffs easily at #5 seed. But also another main factor that the Sixers need is another great C to defend Cs like Ben Wallace and Shaquille ONeal and Jamaal Magloire come playoff time. They made a mistake for not drafting a rookie C and seeing that they had the #9 pick they could have got a good C outta tha draft easily. Samuel Dalembert has never really been a good C IMO because hes way to skinny to go up against the Beasts of the East. They need to trade for some C during this offseason that has the ability to actually TRY and i say TRY and guard players like Big Ben and Magloire and Shaq. If they happened to trade for a good C this offseason...i think we'll have ourselfs a Finals Bound team. Just check it out.

    C - Samuel Dalembert - Trade him
    PF - Kenny Thomas - Keep him because he can be one of Sixers main factors in scoring and in rebounding (10 rpg and somewhere around 13 ppg also)...he rebounds and scores the same as Jamaal Magloire..wow...keeper.
    SF - Glenn Robinson - One important factor scoring 16 ppg and close to 5 rpg i believe. he could be kept but it just depends on what offers they get.
    SG - Willie Green - I think Willie Green should definately be a starter over Iggy because nobody knows what Iggy is gonna do. Hes a rookie and in his first year he wont contribute more than Willie Green will. We all have seen what Green can do.
    PG - Allen Iverson - The main man on this team keepin them straight. Injury bug is scary but if he plays all 82 games i think the Sixers have a chance at making the playoffs....i think hes determined to win a ring and this year hes gonna come out and dish at least 7 apg and about 26 ppg i imagine. PGs point averages usually go down so i dunno we'll just have to see how Iverson does but I think hes gonna lead this team to the #4 seed in the playoffs.
    I dont have to mention the bench because weve got a great Corliss Williamson just in case we have some injuries and a 3pt shooter by the name of Aaron McKie....a hyped rookie that might or might not do good by the name of Iguodala....a 3pt king Kyle Korver....a C Mark Jackson that can sometimes contribute...just depending on how he plays that night....a Todd MacCulloch that if comes outta injury could be a good C that is still quite young and averaged 6 rpg in 20 minutes one season. I dont think i have to go on about this team. I personally think this year that the Philadelphia 76ers are gonna come out and play their hearts out and win us a Championship as long as our main man Iverson dont get hurt :P
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  5. Midnight Green

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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting TheAnswerIsAi3:</div><div class="quote_post">C - Samuel Dalembert - Trade him</div>
    !?!?!? Trade Sammy can you explain your logic on that a little more? He is proven he will be good and he is probably one of the closest things to untouchable that the team has. We will not trade him even for a second rate all star (like walker when the trade was offered involving dalembert) the only way I see Dalembert leaving us is for a first rate all star. Like a couple are on the market right now Peja, Davis, and others those are the only players I would part with Sammy for.

    Anyway I think our team is missing a solid second option for Iverson every player we try to make his second option either becomes a bust or doesnt fit with AI's game or like in Van Horn's case dissappears in the playoffs that has been our major down fall since 2001 and since AI has been here finding him a second option Stack, Tim Thomas, Van Horn, Larry Hughs, and more all failed in being that second option. We also need to get a leader in the locker room now. Although AI is a leader on the court I think that Snow was more of the leader in nthe locker room we dont want to become what the magic did last season without Darell Armstrong.

    I also think we need more defensive minded players like we had in 2001 with Hill, Mutombo, Mckie (in prime), Lynch (mabye make a trade to get him back), and others. We also need JO to change his coaching style a little like we dont want to become the Celtics who shoot them selves out of a game or did during the JO era. Anyway I still see this team as a possible eastern conference finals mabye nba finals contender.
     
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    SammyD just hasnt ever proven to me that he can be a dominant C. Yes maybe they should keep SammyD just because we all know that we cant have someone like Erick Dampier for him....so I now do apologize for that because when i actually think about it....SammyD probably is the best C the Sixers can get unless they trade off someone like Robinson, Thomas, or Iverson and that wouldnt be a good thing.
     
  7. Avery

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    <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Anyway I think our team is missing a solid second option for Iverson every player we try to make his second option either becomes a bust or doesnt fit with AI's game or like in Van Horn's case dissappears in the playoffs that has been our major down fall since 2001 and since AI has been here finding him a second option Stack, Tim Thomas, Van Horn, Larry Hughs, and more all failed in being that second option.</div>

    Well maybe, that telling us something. Maybe, there isn't a 2nd option that can compliment Iverson. Yes, there is one, but who knows how long it will take for Iverson to find his perfect match. There is someone out there, but what is the possibility of us finding him?

    But like TheAnswerIsAi3 mentioned, maybe a trade that would move Dalembert could help. Don't get me wrong, I'm definitely not up for this. But hypothetically speaking, Iverson has gotten pretty far when he teamed up with a big man. Take Mutumbo for example. Now if Dalembert was a Mutumbo level, we unquestionably would be EC contenders, but Dalembert is not at Mutumbo level and that?s the fact. And by the time Dalembert reaches Mutumbo level or shall I say his prime, Iverson may be washed up by then. So you never know, maybe a trade that involved Dalembert and the likes of Dampier to say would probably benefit this team. Remember, I'm just speaking hypothetically; I for one wouldn't let Dalembert go.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Avery:</div><div class="quote_post">Well maybe, that telling us something. Maybe, there isn't a 2nd option that can compliment Iverson. Yes, there is one, but who knows how long it will take for Iverson to find his perfect match. There is someone out there, but what is the possibility of us finding him?

    But like TheAnswerIsAi3 mentioned, maybe a trade that would move Dalembert could help. Don't get me wrong, I'm definitely not up for this. But hypothetically speaking, Iverson has gotten pretty far when he teamed up with a big man. Take Mutumbo for example. Now if Dalembert was a Mutumbo level, we unquestionably would be EC contenders, but Dalembert is not at Mutumbo level and that?s the fact. And by the time Dalembert reaches Mutumbo level or shall I say his prime, Iverson may be washed up by then. So you never know, maybe a trade that involved Dalembert and the likes of Dampier to say would probably benefit this team. Remember, I'm just speaking hypothetically; I for one wouldn't let Dalembert go.</div>


    I agree with everything u just said ^^^^....but it all just depends on what C we can get besides Dalembert because there aint that many options out there for Cs as it is....We would have to trade SammyD and another one of our supporting players like Robinson just to get someone better than D. Maybe they will get a better C in the long run...maybe not but who cares...Ive said it before that i think this team will make the playoffs this year due to Iverson becoming mature and going back to playing PG position and the addition of a hyped Iggy and an experienced Corliss...I definately have confidence in my Sixers this year AS LONG AS Iverson and Glenn dont get hurt again...either its an easy ride to the playoffs...or a dissapointing exit.
     
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    Tradin Dalembert wouldnt make sense,he is one of the most promising players for our future and trading him would be a waste.IMO Dalembert is better then Mutumbo was when he played for the Sixers,Dalembert is more flexible then Deke is.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Silky Smooth:</div><div class="quote_post">Tradin Dalembert wouldnt make sense,he is one of the most promising players for our future and trading him would be a waste.IMO Dalembert is better then Mutumbo was when he played for the Sixers,Dalembert is more flexible then Deke is.</div>


    If SammyD happened to be better than Mutombo they would have made the Finals last year also....Deke was the Defensive Player of the Year that year and thats exactly one reason why Sixers made the Finals last year.Ive heard it before that Defense Wins Championships...well when they had Deke...they were close to winnin the championship...in no way is SammyD close to Deke when Deke was actually young.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting TheAnswerIsAi3:</div><div class="quote_post">If SammyD happened to be better than Mutombo they would have made the Finals last year also....Deke was the Defensive Player of the Year that year and thats exactly one reason why Sixers made the Finals last year.Ive heard it before that Defense Wins Championships...well when they had Deke...they were close to winnin the championship...in no way is SammyD close to Deke when Deke was actually young.</div>
    Not exactly the Sixers had a lot more depth in terms of defensive players in 2001 like Tyrone Hill, George Lynch, and a Aron Mckie in his prime. I dont think that Dalembert is better than mutombo yet because Mutombo was a all star when he played here, but he will be better than Mutombo. When they had Deke they where not closest to winning the championship just because of him. There whole team was defensive minded and was probably the better out of the two teams in that years finals had it not been for Shaq over powering Mutombo to give the Lakers that finals victory.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Pure Skillz:</div><div class="quote_post">Not exactly the Sixers had a lot more depth in terms of defensive players in 2001 like Tyrone Hill, George Lynch, and a Aron Mckie in his prime. I dont think that Dalembert is better than mutombo yet because Mutombo was a all star when he played here, but he will be better than Mutombo. When they had Deke they where not closest to winning the championship just because of him. There whole team was defensive minded and was probably the better out of the two teams in that years finals had it not been for Shaq over powering Mutombo to give the Lakers that finals victory.</div>

    Nicely said....I agree with all that u said. Ur exactly right and im wrong :thumbsup: [​IMG]
    But seriously i forgot about all the key players the Sixers had so i would have to say ur right.
     
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    Exactally, plus I think Sammy was good as Deke was for us because he did the same thing as Deke and more,no they didnt make it to the Finals but hey AI was injured almost the whole season!
     

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