I've just read about a rumour that said the Grizzlies were planning on trading Pau for K Mart. It never happened because the Nuggets got him and signed him to such a huge contract. Just wondering who you'd prefer? I'd go with Pau because he is more of a leader but K Mart is more exciting to watch. Also what do you think of the new uni's for the Grizzlies? I think they're much better than the old ones! Also also whod do you think should start Bonzi Wells, Mike Miller or Shane Battier?
Pau in a heart beat. I think Pau will always be the better player, and he won't come as expensive as K-Mart. Pau is quiet but gets the job done well, whereas Martin is a distraction at times. I also think Gasol would be the better team leader because he is more controlled, as well as a better teammate. Although I think Battier deserves it the most, I would have Miller start. Miller seems to me that he is a better starter than bench player, whereas Wells and Battier can do both just as well. Plus Bonzi and Shane seemed to handle coming off the bench pretty well because of the 10-man rotation, so I think they should just keep doing the same. There isn't much players can complain about if they're all getting equal PT.
While Kenyon Martin is a favourite of mine, it's obvious that Pau Gasol is the better player. He does everything at a higher level than Mr. Martin does(except defend), is bigger, and younger. Did you see how he played in the Olympics? On the second point, Battier's my favourite of the three. I hate Mike Miller, and he's the worst of the three. My hatred for him aside, Miller should start. It's who ends games that counts. I'd rather have Shane on the floor during the last 12 minutes than Mike.
First of all, I want to know where you heard this. Why would the Nets pass up on Pau for three first rounders? It doesn't make sense. As for the question of who is better, Pau or KMart? It's obvious that it's Pau.
PHP: First of all, I want to know where you heard this. Why would the Nets pass up on Pau for three first rounders? It doesn't make sense. I heard it from hoopshype. I don't know if they meant before or after the nuggets signed him. But it was just a rumour and i know the grizzlies didn't want his huge salary so no deal. What does everyone think about the uni's?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting heywood:</div><div class="quote_post"> What does everyone think about the uni's?</div> There's another thread for that? Are you new to the forums? If so, welcome. Great to have another grizz fan...
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting heywood:</div><div class="quote_post"> PHP: First of all, I want to know where you heard this. Why would the Nets pass up on Pau for three first rounders? It doesn't make sense. I heard it from hoopshype. I don't know if they meant before or after the nuggets signed him. But it was just a rumour and i know the grizzlies didn't want his huge salary so no deal. What does everyone think about the uni's?</div> Yes I read about that rumor on hoops hype as well. I did not think to much of it because the trade would not make much sense for either team. I honestly don't see the point for the Grizzle Jerry West has already been reported as being ready to lock up Pau for a while as soon as he hits free agency. Plus why would they trade him for a player that is basically his equal, but older? Pau is just coming off the Olympics where he was arguable one of the top five players in the world. He is also one of the top power forwards in a division dominated by power forwards, and has yet to hit his prime. Then I do not see the point for the Nuggets either. They just went crazy offer getting K-mart having a huge press conference and negotiating for a long time with the Nets just to get K-mart. Now to trade him a couple weeks after you got him just makes no sense to me.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Voodoo Child:</div><div class="quote_post">First of all, I want to know where you heard this. Why would the Nets pass up on Pau for three first rounders? It doesn't make sense. As for the question of who is better, Pau or KMart? It's obvious that it's Pau.</div> I think according to the rumor the Grizz want Denver to keep part of Martin salary. In a sign and trade with the Nets, there is no way they could have done something like that for cap reason, and Bruce Ratner surely wouldnt have allowed something like that to occur. And as far as who's better? Pau Gasol has the edge right now, but as Martin's back to the basket game gets better he will have the edge imo. Martin plays on- ball defense at a level that is hard to teach. His verstilty on defense & his athletism allows him to do things on the court that Gasol wont be able to do as fas as making certain types of plays etc. You can always add parts to your offensive game with time effort and hard work. Something that Martin has displayed ever year with the Nets. But I dont see either team realistically pulling the string on this deal. If Denver does this trade and keeps part of Martin's salary then that puts a strain on their cap after this season, because they will still have to offer Gasol a healthy contract extension after this year to retain his services.And next year they will also have to make another serious run at trying to upgrade their 2 guard spot,seeing as Lenard will be odler. Also Andre Miller will be a free agent so their poit guard slot will be inquestion as well. So they cant keep some of Martins contract and still afoord to play Gasol max in the future.And answer those other problems. And on-court wise I think that Martin ablity to effectively the 3spot will be big for them this year, because going down the stretch of games most nights they can have a lineup of PG-Miller SG- Melo SF-Martin PF- Camby C-Nene Which would be a very effectively lineup utlizing Denver's athletism on defense and that open court style they adopted last season. As far as the Grizzlies go I like the lade back approach they have used this off season, they have a nice core of young guys no need to change it up, just let them develope together and see where the chips fall. Memphis doesnt have to make any dramatic moves to stay competive they just need time for the players they have to grow, which includes Swift once he is re-signed.
Well I think Pau is the better "ball-player", but I think that Martin is much more 'marketable'. Let's face it, there are more Martin jerseys being sold in the US then Gasol jerseys, and it won't change for a long time. The reason is, Gasol isn't as flashy, he doesn't pull his jersey up revealing his chest, and he isn't smothered in tattoos. Martin is much more marketable in the sense that he creates a controversy, he pounds his chest after he dunks, he busts out violent moves to the rim. He grabs hold of the rim and yells. That kind of stuff sells, it puts fans in the seats. I think Gasol is the better PLAYER, I think he's smarter and knows the fundamentals of the game better. He isn't as exciting as Martin but he is certainly a great ball player. Memphis is not in the position where they need to go after a player like Martin, Hubie can only take so much attitude before the whole team collapses and the franchise is in a mess. I would take Gasol hands down, he has a better outlook and is willing to listen, Martin doesn't have such qualities.
Well said Henacy; good points. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Knicks Analyst:</div><div class="quote_post">Well I think Pau is the better "ball-player", but I think that Martin is much more 'marketable'. Let's face it, there are more Martin jerseys being sold in the US then Gasol jerseys, and it won't change for a long time. The reason is, Gasol isn't as flashy, he doesn't pull his jersey up revealing his chest, and he isn't smothered in tattoos. Martin is much more marketable in the sense that he creates a controversy, he pounds his chest after he dunks, he busts out violent moves to the rim. He grabs hold of the rim and yells. That kind of stuff sells, it puts fans in the seats.</div> Well, I think that Gasol is less marketable because he's a foreigner who plays in the smallest market in the NBA and has never even been an All-Star before because of the limited minutes he gets in the ten man rotation. Meanwhile, Kenyon Martin is from Detroit, played for Cincinatti, and played last year in the biggest market in America. I don't think it has as much to do with his dunks. Gasol is a really fun player to watch as well; he just never gets any publicity because he's in a small market. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I would take Gasol hands down, he has a better outlook and is willing to listen, Martin doesn't have such qualities.</div> I think that Martin is willing to listen. He's not really a thug or anything. Pau and Kenyon are both about the same age, both quickly becoming stars in the NBA, and it's really hard for me to tell who will be better. They're pretty damn equal as it stands. I'd just take Gasol because of his length. He's like an athletic Shawn Bradley with those long arms.
I'd take Pau. But KMart does have a toughness factor that could be more beneficial to a lot of teams. He'll be great in Denver. KMart's lack of finese really hurts him late in games, but over the course of a season, his role as an enforcer it huge. The biggest difference between the two, if you have to draw up the final play of the game for either Gason or Martin, who do you pick? It's an easy choice, Pau!
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I'd just take Gasol because of his length. He's like an athletic Shawn Bradley with those long arms.</div>Never, ever mention those two together again. Ever.<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">if you have to draw up the final play of the game for either Gason or Martin, who do you pick? It's an easy choice, Pau!</div> It depends which side of the ball you're on, but it's an easy choice either way, you're right.
People are obviously underrating what K-mart brings to the table, basketball isn't only about what you can do on the offensive end. Defense, toughness and leadership are also factored in. Gasol is the better offensive player, he has more moves in the post and can certainly hit the jump shot from anywhere from 5 feet to 18 feet. However even though Kenyon Martin isn't as good of a offensive scorer he is still a threat in the post and can create some offense. He is also a very good defender and leader. He might be a top 5 PF defender in the NBA, Gasol is not a strong rebounder nor is he a good defender. K-mart meanwhile, brings quailties that don't show up on the boxscore. K-mart got a 90 million deal this summer, If you don't think Gasol will be getting the same kind of deal next off-season then you are certainly kidding yourselves. He will demand max money and I fully expect Jerry West to lock him up before he becomes a free-agent. For those People saying they would take Gasol "hands down" I would seriously question If they even watch the NBA and know anything about Kenyon Martin. Now who would I rather have? that would depend what I need most for my team. If I'm already very tough defensive team then I would pick Gasol but If my team was a weak interior defensive team then Kenyon Martin would be the better pick.
You're right. How much a player makes is directly proportionate to their on court skills. Keith Van Horn and Allan Houston are two of the best... Penny Hardaway is still allstar calibre... It's obvious that Dikembe Mutombo is the second best player in the league. The Knicks are the best team, too... Look at how much some of those guys make. Comparing two guys based on how much they make is ridiculous. "He makes more, so he must be better!" is ... uh ... pretty insane, to say the least. If anything, it's a point for Pau. Not only can he do everything as well as or better than Kenyon Martin on court (except move laterally) but he makes less, making him an even more attractive player. Unless I'm missing something...
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Ezra:</div><div class="quote_post">You're right. How much a player makes is directly proportionate to their on court skills. Keith Van Horn and Allan Houston are two of the best... Penny Hardaway is still allstar calibre... It's obvious that Dikembe Mutombo is the second best player in the league. The Knicks are the best team, too... Look at how much some of those guys make. Comparing two guys based on how much they make is ridiculous. "He makes more, so he must be better!" is ... uh ... pretty insane, to say the least. If anything, it's a point for Pau. Not only can he do everything as well as or better than Kenyon Martin on court (except move laterally) but he makes less, making him an even more attractive player. Unless I'm missing something...</div> Where exactly was I comparing the two players on what money they are or will get paid? I was replying to the person who said that Gasol would be the better choice If anything because he will be cheaper when thats clearly not going to be the case. Where are you getting Gasol can do everything and better than Martin? he can't play defense like K-mart nor is he as good a rebounder as Martin and his leadership skills don't seem to be as strong as Martin's either Gasol has always been known as a soft player, something Martin has never really been. Having the toughness is important. Gasol has more posts moves and is a more effective low post scorer than K-mart, thats it. Gasol has alot to improve on If he wants to be a more complete player. If he improves his defense then he will get more respect.
As much as Pau is better then kmart, i would allways pick kmart over pau on my team, he is alot more exciting to watch and plus has more experience(2 nba finals)!
Kmart is a much better defender, but Gasol can actually be a guy who carries a team, but Kmart can't. If I needed a guy that was more of a scorer inside, and I had another good defensive post presence, then I'd take Gasol. If I needed a good defender inside who's capable of scoring, but that's not the biggest thing about him, then I'd get Kmart.
I kind of got something in my brain wrong when reading it, then took it out of context in my post. Oh well. Pau's still better.
It astounds me only AllNet considered taking K-Mart over Pau. For me, I'll take K-Mart over Pau any day. K-Mart is a more complete player. If you think Pau can score better because he averages more ppg than K-Mart, think again. In the Finals against the Lakers, and in only his second season, he burned the Lakers for 37-38 pts in Game 3, or 4 I'm unsure, 18 of them came in one single quarter! Think he can't score? He scores when the team needs him to... there's no questioning K-Mart's passion for the game and especially his heart. He may have a couple of outbursts here and there, but they all come out of the competitive fire from inside him. I think the Nuggets were real fortunate to make a deal to get him. Yes, three first rounders may be a little risky but from a team as good as Denver you can't expect to get quality players out of them either. Teams need a firepower like K-Mart, he brings the intangibles. K-Mart over Pau, any day.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AllNet:</div><div class="quote_post">Where exactly was I comparing the two players on what money they are or will get paid? I was replying to the person who said that Gasol would be the better choice If anything because he will be cheaper when thats clearly not going to be the case. Where are you getting Gasol can do everything and better than Martin? he can't play defense like K-mart nor is he as good a rebounder as Martin and his leadership skills don't seem to be as strong as Martin's either Gasol has always been known as a soft player, something Martin has never really been. Having the toughness is important. Gasol has more posts moves and is a more effective low post scorer than K-mart, thats it. Gasol has alot to improve on If he wants to be a more complete player. If he improves his defense then he will get more respect.</div> Wow I agree with allnet...I don't see the sky crashing to the ground.
