choker or not

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  1. Eagles4Life

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    The only game you can argue that McNabb did choke in was last night, and it's tough to argue that a guy that throw for 350 yards and 3 Td's and 3 Int's can be considered a choker.

    Let's take a look at the other "Big" games.

    2001: Eagles 24 - Rams 29
    McNabb didnt choke in this one. When Vincent got hurt, our defense could not stop Marshall Faulk. And losing Buckhalter who had like 50+ yds rushing in the first half, hurt a lot also. We just lost to a better team. BF1 should remember this season, this was a game after we killed the 13-3 Bears team in Chicago.

    2002 Eagles 10 Tampa Bay 27
    McNabb was coming off an injury (8 weeks) that took Vick like 15 weeks to recover from. He probably should not have played in the playoffs and was not fully healthy. Tampa Bay took advantage. Can't call this one a choke either. In this game Andy Reid choke, we should have run the ball more, after Staley scored in the first 2 minutes, for some god forsaken reason we started to throw.

    2003 Eagles 3 Carolina 14
    Eagles prolly shouldn't even have made it to this game, vs the Packers McNabb became the first QB to rush for over 100 yards, and he also passed for close to 250. When he got hurt in the 1st qurter with torn tib cartilage, the rest of the players didnt step up. I will never forget the ball hitting James Trash in the chest and bouncing off for an INT. This is not a choke either.

    2004 Eagles 21 Patriots 24
    You can argue this game was a choke, in the last 5 minutes there were some bonehead decisions. However, he did throw for over 350 yards and 3 TD's. There were some dumb coaching decisions, and the defense could not stop the Pats in the second half. The Pats are a more experienced team, hopefully we will see a rematch last year.

    I just wanted to show you, that McNabb does not choke. It take a team to win/lose games. Sometimes the QB makes huge mistakes, and causes his team to lose. With the Exception of the Patriots game (where an arguement can be made) all of the other losses are not choking.
     
  2. nflfan04

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    you dont remember Mcnabb throwing a pick to barber in the bic game?

    vs panthers i agree, our recievers were the reaosn we lost.

    last night was definate choke.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Eagles4Life)</div><div class='quotemain'>The only game you can argue that McNabb did choke in was last night, and it's tough to argue that a guy that throw for 350 yards and 3 Td's and 3 Int's can be considered a choker.

    Let's take a look at the other "Big" games.

    2001: Eagles 24 - Rams 29
    McNabb didnt choke in this one. When Vincent got hurt, our defense could not stop Marshall Faulk. And losing Buckhalter who had like 50+ yds rushing in the first half, hurt a lot also. We just lost to a better team. BF1 should remember this season, this was a game after we killed the 13-3 Bears team in Chicago.

    2002 Eagles 10 Tampa Bay 27
    McNabb was coming off an injury (8 weeks) that took Vick like 15 weeks to recover from. He probably should not have played in the playoffs and was not fully healthy. Tampa Bay took advantage. Can't call this one a choke either. In this game Andy Reid choke, we should have run the ball more, after Staley scored in the first 2 minutes, for some god forsaken reason we started to throw.

    2003 Eagles 3 Carolina 14
    Eagles prolly shouldn't even have made it to this game, vs the Packers McNabb became the first QB to rush for over 100 yards, and he also passed for close to 250. When he got hurt in the 1st qurter with torn tib cartilage, the rest of the players didnt step up. I will never forget the ball hitting James Trash in the chest and bouncing off for an INT. This is not a choke either.

    2004 Eagles 21 Patriots 24
    You can argue this game was a choke, in the last 5 minutes there were some bonehead decisions. However, he did throw for over 350 yards and 3 TD's. There were some dumb coaching decisions, and the defense could not stop the Pats in the second half. The Pats are a more experienced team, hopefully we will see a rematch last year.

    I just wanted to show you, that McNabb does not choke. It take a team to win/lose games. Sometimes the QB makes huge mistakes, and causes his team to lose. With the Exception of the Patriots game (where an arguement can be made) all of the other losses are not choking.</div>

    Yes, it is never Mcnabbs fault. God is just against the eagles, you always have some excuse on why they lose that makes the eagles completely devoid of any failure.

    At the end of EVERY ONE OF THOSE LOSSES MCNABB THREW A PICK WHEN THEY WERE IN STRIKING DISTANCE
     
  4. JustBry07

    JustBry07 The Underdog

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    What injury was McNabb coming off of that Vick took 15 weeks to recover from and he only took 8?
     
  5. J-E-T-S 1083

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    he choked. you dont throw 3 ints and win in the superbowl.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JustBry07)</div><div class='quotemain'>What injury was McNabb coming off of that Vick took 15 weeks to recover from and he only took 8?</div>

    it wasnt the same.

    i think mcnabb had ankle porblems... i remember him getting them against the cardinals... but i dont think it was the same as Vick. it wasa the one he got last year against the ravens in pre season, i think that was his entire leg, but i aint sure.
     
  7. Eagles4Life

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    Same exact injury, they both had a broken ankle. Infact if you look at the replay, they got hit the same way, the ankle rolled up...kind of eerie
     
  8. JustBry07

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    Oh I didnt know they were the same injury I knew what Vick's was, I just didnt know McNabb had the same. However McNabb came back before it was healed obviously since you used that as an excuse for his choking and he blew it. He shouldnt have played. Vick made the better decision to sit out and let the ankle get back to 100% before he risked screwing it up worse.
     
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    McNabb wanted to play in the playoffs and go to the Super Bowl. Some people (i.e. Dan Reeves) thought that Vick was taking too much time to come back. Vick didnt have a playoff team to come back too. McNabb coming back showed his toughness and it increased respect among his teammates.
     
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    McNabb just showed that he can choke again, but coming back from an injury gave him yet another excuse for it is all. So of course he took advantage.
     
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    i read an article from philly saying that he couldn't even call plays in the huddle because he was choking on his on puke. maybe sick, maybe scared, who knows....
     
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    Maybe an excuse.
     
  13. Eagles4Life

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    Acctualy JB McNAbb never said any of this. If anything, he just took the blame for the game on himself. He was not making excuses.
     
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    Well thats good he should take some blame, maybe not all. A good bunch of it though. I think the team played pretty good but he did choke, so hats off to him for taking blame. All that about being sick regardless of if he said it or not is someone making excuses is what I'm saying.
     
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    I don't think Owens choked, but here's a cartoon relating to this subject from Eagle-haters.

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (J-E-T-S 1083)</div><div class='quotemain'>he choked. you dont throw 3 ints and win in the superbowl.</div>

    Choked? Puked. Hurled. Barfed. It really doesn't matter. 2nd place is just 1st loser.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (blackadder)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (J-E-T-S 1083)</div><div class='quotemain'>he choked. you dont throw 3 ints and win in the superbowl.</div>

    Choked? Puked. Hurled. Barfed. It really doesn't matter. 2nd place is just 1st loser.</div>

    Compare McNabb's stats with Brady's stats on that game.
     
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    YEAH he had some good stats except for the big one of 3 int. in the endzone. if not for that little stat he might have won the game.
     
  19. Eagles4Life

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    Acctually, he only had 2 int in the endzone. Infact, with Brady's fumble on the 4 yard line. The difference between McNabb and Brady in the redzone was 1 turnover.

    Remember this, Eagles had 23, thats TWENTY THREE yards rushing in that game (not including westbrook's 22 at the end of the half which meant nothing). No QB in the world will win with that kind of a running game.
     
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    your right there, no running game will kill a teams hopes of winning. look what it did for indy and pitts, when the pats took away their running games. i really don't think Mcnabb really choked anyway, it was more of the defence beat him up so badly that he had nothing left at the end of the game.
     

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