MJ High on Chicago's Gordon

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Michael Jordan has been working out in Chicago with NBA players. No he is not planning a third comeback, but he is getting a first hand look at rising talent.

He is apparently very high on the Bulls first round pick, Ben Gordon. Jordan reportedly has taken such a liking to Gordon that he had the 21-year-old former UConn star over to his house for dinner</div>

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Wow thats intresting...does that mean Gordan's going to be good now?

 

It means that Jordan thinks he could be good. And a lot of the time that means something, but its really up to the player. I hope he's good and follow in the Number 3 pick of the bulls footsteps. He was great in college hopefully he works hard, and if he does he'll be set, hes got the body, the athleticism, lets see if he works hard.

 

that is awesome, especially for gordon, gettin taught the ways of jordans skills and experiance

 

Well, I made the prediction about 2 years ago that Gordon and Okafor would be in the top three picks in the draft

Gordon is really good...he's got great work ethic and he wants to get the job done. I wouldn't be surprised if he was on the All-Star team in 2006.

 

This isnt a big surprise, Gordon's talented and he's playing for Mike's team. Michael is the godfather of basketball who he thinks is good, has to be good. I like Ben Gordon even more now that Michael Jordan is a fan of his.

 

This is bad news for Gordan. Mike was a great ball player, but he's been wrong a lot when judging NBA talent...

 

If you're referring to the Kwame draft, put yourself in the position that MJ was in with the first pick. Who would you draft? The most talented player in the whole draft was Kwame, and any GM would've made the same decision. And even Kwame started to look good near the end of the season.

 

I think Gordon is going to be great. He's got everything you want in an NBA guard. He can shoot, score, slash, pass, but, I think his biggest aspect is that he's a shutdown defender. That's going to be a big aspect, if he can play defense nearly as good as he did in college, the Bulls would definitely have gotten a keeper with him.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting ObieCent:</div><div class="quote_post">If you're referring to the Kwame draft, put yourself in the position that MJ was in with the first pick. Who would you draft? The most talented player in the whole draft was Kwame, and any GM would've made the same decision. And even Kwame started to look good near the end of the season.</div>

No, I'm referring to trading Courtney Alexander for the #17 pick, and reaching by drafting Juan Dixon. I'm referring to the trading stackhouse for Hamilton. I'm referring to the drafting Jarred Jefferies that high.

Mike was a great ballplayer. But I don't think anybody would say he did a good job evaluating talent when he was with the Wizards. Just because Mike likes him, it doesn't mean he's gonna be great. I'd trust the words of Joe Dumars before I would MJ....that's just a fact

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">No, I'm referring to trading Courtney Alexander for the #17 pick, and reaching by drafting Juan Dixon. I'm referring to the trading stackhouse for Hamilton. I'm referring to the drafting Jarred Jefferies that high.</div>

Drafting Dixon from a basketball standpoint wasnt the best move. But MJ wasnt doing it from that standpoint, he was doing it from a basketball relations standpoint. Juan Dixon the hometown kid, grew up in B-more, played at Maryland. Had the whole story about his next of kins passing away. Everybody in the local area adopted his story over the years. So MJ pretty much drafted Juan as a way to build a relationship between Washington Wizards, the community of Washington & its fans/people. And Washington needed that type of move to build back a bridge between the Wizards and the fans they lost by trading away Webber.And him becoming such a success in Sac-town. It would have been a negative for the Wizards not to have drafted Dixon. So I think you got let MJ live on drafting Dixon.

And RIP was a one diminisional player during his Wizards days, he was just a catch & shoot mid-range shooter. Little to no 3 piont range on his shot, didnt put the ball on the floor off the dribble like he does in Detriot, couldnt make others around him better. And couldnt defend a chair standing still & top that off with him being rather thin for wing players by today's standards. Hamilton wasnt really the player he is with the Pistons.

And Jerry Stackhouse was exactly the type of player MJ was looking for, he was coming off his best all-around year as a pro. He had playoff experience & proved he could make players around him better, Stack averaged like close to 6 assist a game in Detriot the year before MJ traded for him. Yet Stack was still young enuff to be apart of the Wizards franchise for plenty of years to come. Stack was like 27 around that time.

Stack had all the attributes MJ needed in a franchise player at the time. Someone who was ready to help MJ lead the Wiz to the playoffs, right away. Mj's whole main goal for coming back was to get the Wiz some playoff expeince during that two year time period. MJ & Hamiton failed at that goal so the window of opportunity was closing for MJ to get the Wiz to the playoffs. So he needed someone like Stack. Stack was a go to guy, Hamilton wasnt at the time. Remember MJ even went to the bench at the start of the 2002-2003 season to ensure Stack that he was willing to allow Stack to be the man.

At the time Stack was the much better player, its that simple. Stack could give you 20,5, 4 or 5 rebounds on a bad night. While Rip, probably could give you 20 but it would take alot to get him open, gearing your whole offensive system to set so many screens for him. He isnt going to make plays for anyone else, and he would have probably given up close to 20 a night against most wing players in the league.

So now, of course everybodies hend sight is 20/20. Now that Rip is on a team, that plays the best team defense in the league, so it can cover up that fact that Hamilton's lack of size is often a defensive liablity. Why cause you can just throw Prince on all the good wing players. And Ben Wallace is one of the(if not the best) help defenders in the league, and can make up for almost everytime Rip gets beat. Now that Rip doesnt have to create much for other people, Billups does that. The Wizards didnt have that type of luxary, they had the chris Whitney's, the Ty Lue's etc. Detroit was a great sitting and fit for Rip, if he stays in Washington he probably isnt regrauded as the player he is now.

I dont knock people for critizing MJ as a GM. I just want poeple to look at the entire picture before juding MJ's moves because alot of Mj's moves were not about talent more or less. Alot of his moves were about restoring some of the lluster with the fans that was lost with the Webber deal(because basketball is still a business). Alot of moves were about fit & need.

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Mike was a great ballplayer. But I don't think anybody would say he did a good job evaluating talent when he was with the Wizards. Just because Mike likes him, it doesn't mean he's gonna be great. I'd trust the words of Joe Dumars before I would MJ....that's just a fact</div>

Your right I definately wouldnt say MJ did a good job, but I wouldnt say he did as bad a job as many people said he did with the Wizards. MJ did what he did with the hand he was dealt.

And your right Joe Dumars based on what they have done for there respective franchise Joe D(with the Wiz) and MJ's (with the Wiz), Joe D's talent assesment comes off alot stronger than MJ's. But lets remember Joe D was dealt a stronger hand than MJ.And more talent to work with.....

Look how he obtained Ben Wallace, pretty much as just a throw in soething so the Pistons wouldnt lose Grant Hill for nothing. Joe D out his on mouth said that its was luck more or less how Ben Wallace turned out. And that sometimes how things go its the luck of the draw, Ben Wallace want really made up of Skill, he was made up of work ethic. something thats often over looked when evaluating a player.

But anyway, Iam not in no way trying to knock Joe D as a front office executive. Because him & Jerry West are the two best former star player executives in the league right now. I only bring it up because MJ never got one of those lucky ones, so to speak. Mj never got one of those deals or players where people wasnt expecting much and then he turned out to be a legit baller.

 

So who's going to be starting at point guard next year for the Bulls, Gordon or Heinrich?

 

Gordon will more than likely play the 2.

 

Ya, I agree with realdealbneal that Gordon will most likely play SG on the bulls roster, Kirk has played really well for them in the past year, and was the only rookie to notch a triple-double last year. Kirk deserves the starting PG spot more than anyone on the roster but they're 3 gaurd rotation should work out this year, the third gaurd being switched back-and-forth between Pargo and Duhon.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting durvasa:</div><div class="quote_post">So who's going to be starting at point guard next year for the Bulls, Gordon or Heinrich?</div>

Hinrich will be the starting point guard. He did a great job last year and has a year of NBA experience to top it off. There is no reason to not start the kid next year. Ben Gordon will likely be the starting SG.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Henacy:</div><div class="quote_post">Drafting Dixon from a basketball standpoint wasnt the best move. But MJ wasnt doing it from that standpoint, he was doing it from a basketball relations standpoint. Juan Dixon the hometown kid, grew up in B-more, played at Maryland. Had the whole story about his next of kins passing away. Everybody in the local area adopted his story over the years. So MJ pretty much drafted Juan as a way to build a relationship between Washington Wizards, the community of Washington & its fans/people. And Washington needed that type of move to build back a bridge between the Wizards and the fans they lost by trading away Webber.And him becoming such a success in Sac-town. It would have been a negative for the Wizards not to have drafted Dixon. So I think you got let MJ live on drafting Dixon.

And RIP was a one diminisional player during his Wizards days, he was just a catch & shoot mid-range shooter. Little to no 3 piont range on his shot, didnt put the ball on the floor off the dribble like he does in Detriot, couldnt make others around him better. And couldnt defend a chair standing still & top that off with him being rather thin for wing players by today's standards. Hamilton wasnt really the player he is with the Pistons.

And Jerry Stackhouse was exactly the type of player MJ was looking for, he was coming off his best all-around year as a pro. He had playoff experience & proved he could make players around him better, Stack averaged like close to 6 assist a game in Detriot the year before MJ traded for him. Yet Stack was still young enuff to be apart of the Wizards franchise for plenty of years to come. Stack was like 27 around that time.

Stack had all the attributes MJ needed in a franchise player at the time. Someone who was ready to help MJ lead the Wiz to the playoffs, right away. Mj's whole main goal for coming back was to get the Wiz some playoff expeince during that two year time period. MJ & Hamiton failed at that goal so the window of opportunity was closing for MJ to get the Wiz to the playoffs. So he needed someone like Stack. Stack was a go to guy, Hamilton wasnt at the time. Remember MJ even went to the bench at the start of the 2002-2003 season to ensure Stack that he was willing to allow Stack to be the man.

At the time Stack was the much better player, its that simple. Stack could give you 20,5, 4 or 5 rebounds on a bad night. While Rip, probably could give you 20 but it would take alot to get him open, gearing your whole offensive system to set so many screens for him. He isnt going to make plays for anyone else, and he would have probably given up close to 20 a night against most wing players in the league.

So now, of course everybodies hend sight is 20/20. Now that Rip is on a team, that plays the best team defense in the league, so it can cover up that fact that Hamilton's lack of size is often a defensive liablity. Why cause you can just throw Prince on all the good wing players. And Ben Wallace is one of the(if not the best) help defenders in the league, and can make up for almost everytime Rip gets beat. Now that Rip doesnt have to create much for other people, Billups does that. The Wizards didnt have that type of luxary, they had the chris Whitney's, the Ty Lue's etc. Detroit was a great sitting and fit for Rip, if he stays in Washington he probably isnt regrauded as the player he is now.

I dont knock people for critizing MJ as a GM. I just want poeple to look at the entire picture before juding MJ's moves because alot of Mj's moves were not about talent more or less. Alot of his moves were about restoring some of the lluster with the fans that was lost with the Webber deal(because basketball is still a business). Alot of moves were about fit & need.



Your right I definately wouldnt say MJ did a good job, but I wouldnt say he did as bad a job as many people said he did with the Wizards. MJ did what he did with the hand he was dealt.

And your right Joe Dumars based on what they have done for there respective franchise Joe D(with the Wiz) and MJ's (with the Wiz), Joe D's talent assesment comes off alot stronger than MJ's. But lets remember Joe D was dealt a stronger hand than MJ.And more talent to work with.....

Look how he obtained Ben Wallace, pretty much as just a throw in soething so the Pistons wouldnt lose Grant Hill for nothing. Joe D out his on mouth said that its was luck more or less how Ben Wallace turned out. And that sometimes how things go its the luck of the draw, Ben Wallace want really made up of Skill, he was made up of work ethic. something thats often over looked when evaluating a player.

But anyway, Iam not in no way trying to knock Joe D as a front office executive. Because him & Jerry West are the two best former star player executives in the league right now. I only bring it up because MJ never got one of those lucky ones, so to speak. Mj never got one of those deals or players where people wasnt expecting much and then he turned out to be a legit baller.</div>



Lemme rephrase what I was trying to say: With Jordan's track record (as a GM), I would not put that much weight on his opinion. I'm not saying he's wrong, but I'm saying his opinion isn't worth more than the next "basketball expert."

There's always a story behind decisions, but that's not what I was getting into. My point was that ppl are going to make a big deal out of this because MJ is a big name. However, he made a name for himself by dominating on the court, not judging talent.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting notMuchgame:</div><div class="quote_post">Lemme rephrase what I was trying to say: With Jordan's track record (as a GM), I would not put that much weight on his opinion. I'm not saying he's wrong, but I'm saying his opinion isn't worth more than the next "basketball expert."

There's always a story behind decisions, but that's not what I was getting into. My point was that ppl are going to make a big deal out of this because MJ is a big name. However, he made a name for himself by dominating on the court, not judging talent.</div>

Yeah, I agree to a certain extent there is no need to go crazy, just because MJ said he was going to be good. But MJ has made some decent calls on certain players. MJ seen Mike Finley in High School, when they played one on one. And he said right off the bat that Finely was going to be a productive player in this league. And Finley ended up turning out pretty decent. And wasnt MJ one of the 1st to make the call on Lebron? I think Lebron was working out with him when he was coming back with the Wizards.

Anyway, I agree, it just sounds good when MJ says a player going to be a great player down the line, doesnt automatically mean it will turn out that way. But having a player the status of MJ give you that type of compilment so early in your career can give you added motivation to carry with you.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Moo2K4:</div><div class="quote_post">Hinrich will be the starting point guard. He did a great job last year and has a year of NBA experience to top it off. There is no reason to not start the kid next year. Ben Gordon will likely be the starting SG.</div>

I expect Hinrich to start also, but I guess I'm surprised that Gordan will be playing SG. He's only 6'2, right? I thought the scouts said he'd be a point guard in the league. It seems strange that the Bull would draft him, when they got Hinrich the previous year. It seems quite possible that one of them will get traded next year.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting durvasa:</div><div class="quote_post">I expect Hinrich to start also, but I guess I'm surprised that Gordan will be playing SG. He's only 6'2, right? I thought the scouts said he'd be a point guard in the league. It seems strange that the Bull would draft him, when they got Hinrich the previous year. It seems quite possible that one of them will get traded next year.</div>

I think the big reason they got Gordon was an insurance policy on Crawford. They didn't know what was going to happen with that ordeal, so, they went out and got him just in case. Gordon may only be 6'3", but, the kid can play. I have full faith in his ability to play the shooting guard. He did it all throughout college, lots of times playing against people who were bigger than him, so, I have no worries. I think he's fully capable of being an NBA shooting guard. But, they didn't get him just to trade him off in a year. That would have been a waste the #3 overall pick. No, they got him with intentions on keeping him and starting him if Crawford did end up leaving, and that's exactly what happened. Gordon will be the starting SG for the Bulls this season, no doubt in my mind about it.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I expect Hinrich to start also, but I guess I'm surprised that Gordan will be playing SG. He's only 6'2, right? I thought the scouts said he'd be a point guard in the league. It seems strange that the Bull would draft him, when they got Hinrich the previous year. It seems quite possible that one of them will get traded next year.</div>

That's not going to be a problem Allen Iverson use to play shooting guard at 6'0. And if he's as good as MJ said he is it won't be a problem