as much as it will hurt the RAps, I wouldn't mind him doing that. It would be a wakeup call when he realizes that nobody wants him nomore.
How about trading him with Alvin Williams to Orlando for Grant Hill and Mobely? Vince gets back in florida, which is what he wants. And the Raps get a solid role player in Mobely, and a former All-Star with a lot to Prove in Grant Hill. It seems like a Great trade to me.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting TheMegaGreg:</div><div class="quote_post">How about trading him with Alvin Williams to Orlando for Grant Hill and Mobely? Vince gets back in florida, which is what he wants. And the Raps get a solid role player in Mobely, and a former All-Star with a lot to Prove in Grant Hill. It seems like a Great trade to me.</div> Haha yea right...Nobody wants Hill, and as low as his stock is right now, Vince is worth much more than that. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">ok look youre saying his value is at an alltime low you guys have to get over it vince isnt what he used to be he faded and injury prone so you cant say his value is at an alltime low because that is his value for now unless he does something to disprove it so dont say it wouldnt be a fair trade because it would. cause how you see vince right now is vince dont look at the past look at the presnt. its just like stocks. except you guys bought low and are going to sell low.</div> Right now the Raps are probably on getting garbage offers for him. It won't make our team a better one. Why would we just make a trade so we can make someone who wants out happy, and at the same time, makes us a worse team? If Vince can do what he did for the last 2 and a half months last season, consistantly, then his value will be much higher, and we'll get more than a piece of bubble gum and D-Leauge player for him
No one wants Hill? Well we'll just see about that next year, when Orlando is in the Playoffs due to Hill, and the Raptors are in the draft lotterly once again...
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> No one wants Hill? Well we'll just see about that next year, when Orlando is in the Playoffs due to Hill, and the Raptors are in the draft lotterly once again... </div> Oh please. As for the Raptors being "lottery bound" without Carter, that's bull...If we get equal value for him by only trading him then there's no way in hell this team still can't have a shot at winning the Atlantic...the Raptors current roster is already good enough to win the atlantic...Vince is acting very unprofessional and is starting to follow the similar path of Tracy Mcgrady whom Toronto fans now hate....I wonder if the Raptors fans will boo Carter on the first game at the ACC....I certainly would. He acted very cowardly. Not denying nor confirming rumours from 'sources' for 2 months and then all of a sudden confirming them and saying "I want to think for me"....apperently he also said "I can be the best player in the league if I want to" Of course you can, <font color="Red">****</font>. That's what Raptors fans have been saying for the past...4 years. That's what all media people used to say. Then they saw you had no heart. Then they saw you slacked off too much. You didn't have kobe's determination. You didn't have the work ethic. You were injury prone and now you want to get traded when your reputation is nothing more then a sleaze-bag has-been? Plus this whole 'trade me now or I wont perform good" routine isn't helping his already tarnished image. People say Kobe tarnished his image, look at Carter. Atleast Kobe has respect when he steps out on the basketball court. Fans don't even have respect for Carter's game anymore. I am a big fan of Carter's. I think this is the worst move he could have made. "I want to think about me?" Are you out of your mind? You can't just demand a trade out of nowhere. Just because you didn't get your choice of Dr.J as your GM? <font color="Red">******</font>. I'm glad they picked Rob Babcok, he should talk some sense into our 'franchise' player. NOBODY WANTS YOU BECAUSE YOU'RE AN OVERRATED PLAYER WITH AN EVEN WORSE REPUTATION NOW....he should get that through his head. This is <font color="Red">****</font>.... <font face="Microsoft Sans Serif"><font size="1"><font size="1"><font color="Red">*edited by voodoo child</font></font></font></font>
Like I posted in the other thread about Carter demanding a trade, he has to realize Babcock will only trade him if it improves the team, and that takes time. If he would of requested a trade publicly earlier, the raps could of landed a franchise player for him.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting TheMegaGreg:</div><div class="quote_post">No one wants Hill? Well we'll just see about that next year, when Orlando is in the Playoffs due to Hill, and the Raptors are in the draft lotterly once again...</div> Be realistic here. What are the chances of Hill having a healthy season when he has failed miserably in 4 other attempts? It's no surprise that nobody wants Hill, and your claims are nothing more than desperate beliefs from an unbelieveing fan.
i'm not about to jump off the VC band wagon, but the sad part is, real superstars want the spotlight on "THEIR" own team and real superstars make "THEIR" supporting cast look even better... ...VC has all the makings of a superstar, and in every raptor fan's mind, he is a superstar...3 years ago when he reached phenominal hieghts with media, he was the next greatest thing to the NBA...now, well, ..now there's just hope that he can re-claim his status... ...in some earlier posts comparing kobe to vince, i have to say, kobe's image took a huge hit with his 'alleged rape case'...whether it was 'rape' or consentual, his wholesome family image got tarnished, ...but where ball is concerned, he is a warrior, in fact, he could have just as easily taken a back seat to Shaq and piggy back his way to multple championships (for years to come), but instead, he 'WANTS' to be the leader of the Lakers, and in essence, forced Shaq out of town.. ...in VC's case, it's his leadership that's in question...all of his teamates know his ability and potential, and face it, he does currently have some talented team mates...but yet, he questions the teams ability to win...we have players on the team who want to win also, so why not take your experience in the game and gell the team together? ...that's what us raptor fans are wondering...personally i think the organazation wants to win, and we're far from being a franchise like the clippers... VC may need to re address his priorities before thinking about himself, cause in kobe's case, the fans will respect him when he plays his game on the court, ...we can only hope to see a different VC in the upcoming weeks...
[quote name='spawn "I want to think for me"....apperently he also said "I can be the best player in the league if I want to" Of course you can, you idiot. That's what Raptors fans have been saying for the past...4 years. ...[/QUOTE'] Are you serious haha lmao you actually thin khe can be the best player in the league he never was and never will be period
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting TheNextJordan8:</div><div class="quote_post">Are you serious haha lmao you actually thin khe can be the best player in the league he never was and never will be period </div>Could've been ne of the top players, not can....
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> Are you serious haha lmao you actually thin khe can be the best player in the league he never was and never will be period </div> By "best player", I'm talking about in his position. 3 years ago he and Allen Iverson were two best shooting guards in the league. Not Kobe, not T-Mac, this is 2001 I'm talking about. The majority of GM's would haved picked Vince over both of them in 2001. Vince had the potential to make his status even greater and had a chance to really work on the weak parts of his game and improve...and he would be unstoppable. But he didn't. He lacked the work ethic of the likes of Kobe and that is when he started slipping. In a year his status went from "best shooting guard" to "injury prone player whose team can almost make it to the 2nd round without him and do better without him". That's what basically started the Carter-bashing. I don't think Carter can become the great shooting guard that everyone expected him to be anymore, he will slowly start to decline (not now)...I think he realized he doesn't have that much time to prove himself and wants to be on an AMERICAN team so that the American media won't have this "no leadership weakling" label on him. He's worried about his reputation. He'd rather play on a team with no supporting cast (Bobcats) as long as it's American because he wants to prove he has 'heart' to the American media that doubts him. 'I just want to win' is the biggest cliche in sports. My ass I'm falling for that. Everyone wants to win a championship, who says Carter deserves one? For Toronto fans, the situation with Carter boils down to: "What have you done for us lately?" It's not about the indavisual, it's about the team. Carter is a punk for deciding to jump ship now when our franchise looks like we have nowhere to go but up.
You gotta think about how much he has influenced the franchise since he's been here. We signed a long contract with him, and then he decided he wanted all of his friends back so we overpaid Alvin, AD, and JYD. Then he wanted some more veteran players, so we went and got Chris Childs, Oakley and Dell Curry. After that he decided we needed a veteran centre, so we made possibly the worst move by signing Hakeem. Fast forward to last season, Carter wanted his good friend Milt Palacio on the team. He turned out to be a bust. Basically the only 2 times the Raps haven't listened to him were about trading Bosh and hiring Dr. J, and we can all agree that they were good moves. The fact that this team has been catering to his every whim means nothing to him, and proves how selfish he actually is.
how come u guys are hating on him so much he just wants to improve his chances of wnning a title i dont think people were saing all this crap when malone and payton left(well maybe i wasnt here last season) any ways i dont c wat the big deal is and y u guys are hating on him so freken much
payton and malone left legally without demandin trades or anything. Carter hasn't even finished his contract and he's tryin to jump ship.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Trip:</div><div class="quote_post">Who the hell does Carter think he is? Does George Bush attack Canada just because he feels like it?</div> Well.......
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> how come u guys are hating on him so much he just wants to improve his chances of wnning a title i dont think people were saing all this crap when malone and payton left(well maybe i wasnt here last season) any ways i dont c wat the big deal is and y u guys are hating on him so freken much </div> Carter doesn't deserve to demand a trade. What has he done after 2001? Where has he led us? We made the playoffs once after that year, and that was when Carter was injured. He has done a lot for this city and the fans (the first 4 years) but take it from me when I say the majority of Raptors fans want him gone. His attitude is being whiny-ish now. Since when was he a general manager? He has no right to bash Peddie just because they chose Babcock over Dr.J. Vince is not the Raptors GM, he is a player. A player taking up an extensive amount of our cap. If anything, the Raptors should be looking to trade him ASAP...but his value is so low that now wants wants him anymore. And the teams that do want him don't wanna give up a superstar (i.e- Marbury) and instead try to bait scrubs like Shandon Anderson for Vince.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting spawn:</div><div class="quote_post">Carter doesn't deserve to demand a trade. What has he done after 2001? Where has he led us? We made the playoffs once after that year, and that was when Carter was injured. He has done a lot for this city and the fans (the first 4 years) but take it from me when I say the majority of Raptors fans want him gone. His attitude is being whiny-ish now. Since when was he a general manager? He has no right to bash Peddie just because they chose Babcock over Dr.J. Vince is not the Raptors GM, he is a player. A player taking up an extensive amount of our cap. If anything, the Raptors should be looking to trade him ASAP...but his value is so low that now wants wants him anymore. And the teams that do want him don't wanna give up a superstar (i.e- Marbury) and instead try to bait scrubs like Shandon Anderson for Vince.</div> Jeez man, ppl should stop hating on Vince, yea he has a crappy attitude about work and everything, but ppl r making it sound as if the raps were contenders even before Vince arrived. If Vince was never in a raptors uniform at all from the get go, half of the ppl in the raptors forum would never be here either. He's the only superstar who was WILLING to sign with the raptors in the first place. At least give him a lil credit.. he was not exactly Yogi Stewart who we overpaid jus to be a flop. Granted Vince was injury prone. At least he gave ppl hope. Which if he was never here, Raps would never had made the playoffs at all. And besides, what has McGrady done himself? He jump ship without bringing his team to the playoffs either with the worst NBA record at all. Of course he is scoring champ, Vince is still in the top league scoring ranks but hated regardless. Oh well, I know its his personality, he doesnt really wanna work for anything, but luckily, he chose Toronto. And trust me, we'd be way worst off if we didnt have him at all. I mean who'd else ever wanna sign a long term contract here? I bet he'll fake injury at beginning of the season so as not to play lol. But yea, too bad ppl dont tend to look at the good things he brought as opposed to the bad, cuz again, if we never had him at all, there would have been NO good at all either.
^That's very well said Intrepid. I too tend to forget how fortunate we were to even get a signing from a superstar like Vince. I can't really see many players of his calibre ever coming here.
^ That's garbage. Who wouldn't want to play in a city where basketball is gaining in popularity, with great attendance numbers, where a star is the basketball pride on a whole country! I'd rather play in TO than Atlanta, the Clippers, or New Orleans. The Raps have failed to make playoffs for 2 straight years now, but the fans are still sticking with the team. Doesn't sound like a bad place to play if you ask me.
