<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Vince Carter wants to replace cousin Tracy McGrady as the leader and star of the Orlando Magic. It's not going to happen. Carter, from Daytona Beach Mainland High, is growing increasingly disgruntled in Toronto, where he has spent the first six years of his NBA career establishing himself as a star. He asked for a trade earlier this summer, making it clear to both the Raptors and the Magic that his destination of first choice for a new home would be Orlando. Although the two teams have had preliminary talks about Carter, the Magic do not have the interest it would take to make it happen. In any deal for Carter, the Raptors want another all-star, which with the Magic would be newly acquired point guard Steve Francis.</div>-benmaller.com Vince Carter wants out of Toronto really bad and with VC being a Florida native a lot of sources say he would love to play for Orlando.The problem is the Raptors arent going to budge on trading him unless they get an all star that can fill seats like VC can in return,and the only player of that caliber the Magic have is Steve Francis,and it is said that they are not intrested in trading Francis for Carter,so do you think the Magic will find a way to get Carter without trading Francis or is the Raps GM not going to budge with trading Carter?
I don't think the Raptors management will budge. Personally, I think their asking price for him is too high. They overvalue Carter. To me, he's not worth as much as they want for him. Sure, he fill seats, all that fun stuff, but he simply doesn't win games. He's a good player, I'll give him that, but, not as good as he was prior to screwing up his knees. I don't believe that any team is going to trade off a superstar for him, especially when they don't know how long he'll be healthy. I'm not saying last year was a fluke with him being healthy and all, but, he's had injury problems in the past, and you never know when they can come back. I just think it'd be a risk to trade for him and the asking price is too high.
i truly agree mook2k4. i mean carters a good player. but i think the raps are looking for too much in return. i think insteadof trying to get a star in return think they should be trying to get a couple ogf good promising rooks or compliments to go along CB4. because i think if they keep carter he could potentialy mess team chemistry up. and then also get injured and leave them with an untradable player. which would be a very un smart move by the raptors management in my opinion.
The Raptors should trade Carter and Rose for second round picks and get cap space which they'll get nothing for like ATL did this off-season, and fall to the bottom depths of the league
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting og15:</div><div class="quote_post">The Raptors should trade Carter and Rose for second round picks and get cap space which they'll get nothing for like ATL did this off-season, and fall to the bottom depths of the league </div> lol I think the Raptors should ship carter off for an average player and just get a 1st round pick back too...
I'm not a big Carter fan but if they traded him for Francis I wouldn't go buck=wild over it. THey're basically the same players, just different positions.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting crazytown:</div><div class="quote_post">I'm not a big Carter fan but if they traded him for Francis I wouldn't go buck=wild over it. THey're basically the same players, just different positions.</div> How? Francis, despite being shorter, is a great rebounder for his height. Carter can't rebound as well as he can. Francis also has more stamina to play more minutes, something Carter doesn't. Steve is also a better passer than Vince, and most importantly, is willing to defend and take it to the hole. Penetration is what makes a guard great, and I won't hesitate to say that Francis is better than Carter.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Trip:</div><div class="quote_post">How? Francis, despite being shorter, is a great rebounder for his height. Carter can't rebound as well as he can. Francis also has more stamina to play more minutes, something Carter doesn't. Steve is also a better passer than Vince, and most importantly, is willing to defend and take it to the hole. Penetration is what makes a guard great, and I won't hesitate to say that Francis is better than Carter.</div> I don't know......I mean Francis is a PG, he should be a better passer since he'll have the ball a lot more, but it is true he's a better rebounder.
Is Francis enough of a seat filler that Babcock wants for VC? I don't think so, but I guess opinions might vary. Frankly, I don't see Babcock getting that anyways, so I guess Francis wouldn't be a horrible option. He's got a big following with younger NBA fans.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting hagrid:</div><div class="quote_post">Is Francis enough of a seat filler that Babcock wants for VC? I don't think so, but I guess opinions might vary. Frankly, I don't see Babcock getting that anyways, so I guess Francis wouldn't be a horrible option. He's got a big following with younger NBA fans.</div> Francis is good enough a seat-filler. As you said, he has a huge teen following, and is not a bad player to build a franchise around. However, I don't see the Raptors wanting Francis because they already signed Rafer Alston to start at PG. Their primary need is a center.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Trip:</div><div class="quote_post">How? Francis, despite being shorter, is a great rebounder for his height. Carter can't rebound as well as he can. Francis also has more stamina to play more minutes, something Carter doesn't. Steve is also a better passer than Vince, and most importantly, is willing to defend and take it to the hole. Penetration is what makes a guard great, and I won't hesitate to say that Francis is better than Carter.</div> Vince Carter: 38.2 MPG, .417 FG%, .383 3 PT%, 22.5 PPG, 4.8 RPG, 4.8 APG, .89 BPG, 1.21 SPG, 3.05 TOPG Steve Francis: 40.4 MPG, .403 FG%, .292 3 PT%, 16.6 PPG, 5.5 RPG, 6.2 APG, .44 BPG, 1.76 SPG, 3.72 TOPG Vince will play good D occasionly, and I agree that Carter doesn't rebound as well as he should. Francis is the better passer of course, because he is a PG.
There's something else to add into that equation though Bobcat: Last 3 seasons, Total # of games played: Vince Carter: 176 Steve Francis: 217 That's almost a half-seasons less games. Vince is the better player, but you've gotta be in the games in order to help your team.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Bobcats:</div><div class="quote_post">Vince Carter: 38.2 MPG, .417 FG%, .383 3 PT%, 22.5 PPG, 4.8 RPG, 4.8 APG, .89 BPG, 1.21 SPG, 3.05 TOPG Steve Francis: 40.4 MPG, .403 FG%, .292 3 PT%, 16.6 PPG, 5.5 RPG, 6.2 APG, .44 BPG, 1.76 SPG, 3.72 TOPG Vince will play good D occasionly, and I agree that Carter doesn't rebound as well as he should. Francis is the better passer of course, because he is a PG.</div> 13, 5 and 6 are not Francis's numbers though had he not had Yao on the team. He has low shooting percentages because he was limited to the outside instead of penetrating because of Yao. If Francis drove more and did not have to take as many threes, his percentages would probably be similar to Carter's.
I'd like to see the VC trade, as long as Fancis, Dwight, Jameer and Cato aren't envolved... But there is no way Raptors would want anything else... (Unless they are really desperate, or there are a billion 1sts envolved)
Vince for Francis? Wow 2 SGs being traded...although one is stuck in a PG body. I do like the trade though, as Vince could play Small Foward, and G.Hill could slide back to the PG, which he can excell at. If Vince didn't have the leadership burden, he could be solid again.
If you're going to compare the two, toss out the specific stats - They are irrevelent for several reasons, the main one being team role. Thats like comparing Kobe vs. Tmac by stats, when McGrady gets the upper hand stat wise, but Kobe could be the better player. Vince has the fanbase to attract the fans, but like hagrid said he needs to be healthy for the fans to see him in the first place.
I can see us picking up Vince from a business standpoint, but from a fan standpoint I want to win some damn games! We don't need another McGrady.
