This trade wouldnt go down bacause the Raptors wont trade VC unless they get a star that will fill seats,Baron Davis wouldnt fill that need for the Raptors because the Hornets were 28th in attendance last year. Even though the deal is pretty much even imo it wont happen,the Hornets are being just as strict when it comes to trading BD as that Raptors are to trading VC.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Even though the deal is pretty much even imo it wont happen,the Hornets are being just as strict when it comes to trading BD as that Raptors are to trading VC.</div> If you break down the two players, things come out virtually even. As I already said before, the deal is just a trade of unhappy superstars. But either way - compare the two: Scoring: Even Passing: Baron Rebound: Even (Vince has more statistically, but Baron is smaller) Fan Base: Vince Complaining: Even Injuries: Even Regardless, these guys probably aren't going to get happier if they are traded to TO/NO. Neither team is going anywhere anytime soon unless they get other players to help them.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Silky Smooth:</div><div class="quote_post">This trade wouldnt go down bacause the Raptors wont trade VC unless they get a star that will fill seats,Baron Davis wouldnt fill that need for the Raptors because the Hornets were 28th in attendance last year. Even though the deal is pretty much even imo it wont happen,the Hornets are being just as strict when it comes to trading BD as that Raptors are to trading VC.</div> Trust me, it's not Baron Davis's play that causes New Orleans to have low attendance. The city is not a big market, and is arguably the worst market in the league, even behind Memphis. If Carter goes there, expect the attendance to go up for a while just out of the fans' curiosity of a new star, but don't think it will stay for long. Toronto, on the other hand, is a huge market and will sell out basically 2 out of 3 games. Case in point, when the Raptors were losing a hell lot of games two seasons and Carter sidelined with injury, the team still had near-sellouts for almost every game.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> Trust me, it's not Baron Davis's play that causes New Orleans to have low attendance. The city is not a big market, and is arguably the worst market in the league, even behind Memphis. If Carter goes there, expect the attendance to go up for a while just out of the fans' curiosity of a new star, but don't think it will stay for long. Toronto, on the other hand, is a huge market and will sell out basically 2 out of 3 games. Case in point, when the Raptors were losing a hell lot of games two seasons and Carter sidelined with injury, the team still had near-sellouts for almost every game. </div> Exactly. Toronto fans don't come out to see one player, they come out to see a basketball game. Be it Bosh or Baron, Raps fan just want the W. Attendance, Vince or no Vince, will be high.
This is probably the best TO will get offered for VC, and vice versa for NO..but like Ice said neither stars would be happy because these teams are not going anywhere...
^ I disagree about the Raptors. How are they not going anywhere. The team is probably in it's best shape since 3 years ago. The only thing that has been holding the Raptors back are injuries. New Orleans on the other hand, is definitely not going anywhere now that they're in the west.
No matter who the Raptors get, they won't get equal value for Vince. First off they will not get Shaq, Kobe, Ai, Lebron, Tmac, Francis, or any star for Vince. So whats the point. Just wake him up, cuz he puts fans in the seats, and u never know when this guy becomes selfish. I can't wait.
Well they arent really going anywhere because they havent made the playoffs in a while,the current team they have may be the best one they have had in 3 years,but that doesnt mean they are going anywhere. Even though the Raptors arent going anywhere the Hornets are the team that isnt going any where fast,so I doubt VC would want to be put in that situation.
^^but again...it doesnt matter what VC wants or doesnt want. if babs gets a good offer, he'll take it im sure. vince's wishes dont enter into it. im not too keen on this trade idea. iv had enough of injured players who shoot WAY too much. the difference between a player jacking up too many 3's and a player jacking up too many off balance fade-aways is the lesser of two evils. although its entirely possible that both players are over their injury problems...id rather stick with vince then take on another player that COULD have the same problems. id rather trade vince, donyell and a 1st round draft pick for jamaal magloire, david west and a 1st round draft pick. lets stop trying to sugar coat it...lets just rebuild. a foundation of cb4 and magloire is a GREAT place to start..especially in the east. It will prolly never happen though =
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">a foundation of cb4 and magloire is a GREAT place to start..especially in the east.</div>Agreed. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">It will prolly never happen though =</div> Agreed again.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting deception:</div><div class="quote_post">what i don't get about this entire thing is that he says wants to win yet again according to published reports this week orlando is vince's number one option. i might be a tad bias here but don't u think toronto is much better team?</div> Yea I was thinking that too, even the guy at Hoophype ranked us higher than Orlando, though neither were making the playoffs, Toronto was rnaked 11th, and Orlando 12th. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting "arhieboy":</div><div class="quote_post">No matter who the Raptors get, they won't get equal value for Vince. First off they will not get Shaq, Kobe, Ai, Lebron, Tmac, Francis, or any star for Vince. So whats the point. Just wake him up, cuz he puts fans in the seats, and u never know when this guy becomes selfish. I can't wait.</div>Are you sure you know who Baron Davis is?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting og15:</div><div class="quote_post">Yea I was thinking that too, even the guy at Hoophype ranked us higher than Orlando, though neither were making the playoffs, Toronto was rnaked 11th, and Orlando 12th. </div> i got an idea; what do u think of vince+l.murray for abdur-rahim (one year left on a monster contract which expires this summer, which frees up cap space)+ sebastian telfair (point guard of the future)
abdur rahim plays a 4 and we already have Bosh, Marshall, Woods and Arujo who will play those spots. There is no room for abdur rahim on the Raps roster. It just wouldn't make sense. Plus abdur rahim is not worth VC straight up, so why would you throw murray in there?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting jenike:</div><div class="quote_post">abdur rahim plays a 4 and we already have Bosh, Marshall, Woods and Arujo who will play those spots. There is no room for abdur rahim on the Raps roster. It just wouldn't make sense. Plus abdur rahim is not worth VC straight up, so why would you throw murray in there?</div> cap room next off season, brother. abdur rahim plays the three as well, in fact he's had most of his success in this league at the three (vancouver).
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting deception:</div><div class="quote_post">i got an idea; what do u think of vince+l.murray for abdur-rahim (one year left on a monster contract which expires this summer, which frees up cap space)+ sebastian telfair (point guard of the future)</div> First off, SAR won't play the three, anywhere. The reason he wants out of Portland is because he wants to start, and he refused Portland's offer of starting at SF. At this stage in his career where he's played PF for the past few years, he is now too slow and not as agile to play the small forward. Secondly, the Blazers drafted Sebastian Telfair that high for a reason. They needed a point guard for the future, so what makes you think that they would trade him for Lamond Murray?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Trip:</div><div class="quote_post">First off, SAR won't play the three, anywhere. The reason he wants out of Portland is because he wants to start, and he refused Portland's offer of starting at SF. At this stage in his career where he's played PF for the past few years, he is now too slow and not as agile to play the small forward. Secondly, the Blazers drafted Sebastian Telfair that high for a reason. They needed a point guard for the future, so what makes you think that they would trade him for Lamond Murray?</div> dude it ain't lamond for telfair straight up. vince is tangibly a more valuable commodity than shareef so i included lamond has a salary dump. telfair was taken in the lottery in possibly the weakest draft in nba history and most experts believe he should of gone later. in other words lets not exaggerate his value, he's not a franchise cornerstone point guard thats going to march the blazers triumphantly into the playoffs anytime soon. from what i understand shareef wanted out cause randolph was another back to the basket player and shareef felt he wasn't getting enough touches. i agree, he was playing like 20 minutes a game. well in a vinceless raptor ball club mr. rahim well get his touches and minutes with regularity. plus, his monstrosity of a contract is off the books next offseason and many predict next offseason?s free agent crop is spectacular.
Telfair might not be something big in the future, but the Blazers obviously thought of him to have nabbed him with the 13th pick, when they had the 22nd and 23rd picks too. While most of us don't make much of Telfair, the Blazers obviously do and would not trade him easily, if at all.
