im still a fan of VC too, but i was dissapointed that he said he wanted to be traded. but i still appreciate him of what he did for the past few years, espacially those great seasons where he just was unbelievable. i hope he decides to change his mind and stay in toronto and play like his rookie years.
"Not since three years has Vince won a personal battle during the regular season against McGrady, Kobe, or Iverson. " Yes he has. In orlando last season, raps were wearin the whites. Final seconds, Vince hit the game winning fadeaway OVER McGrady and toronto went on to win. He was 1 on 1 with him too. It was a battle. Vince came into Phili and outscored iverson last season and the raps easily destroyed the sixers. "That's wut alotta people r thinking wen we talk about VC. You got the Carter lovers and the haters but not enuff people judge him based the facts." Facts can be decieving. Also look at the context of vinces situation. His team especially. For 3 and a half years, Vince worked his but off...then got injured. Next season he was injured for 95 percent of it...then he came back and did pretty well but his team did not step up. I watched every game and yelled at my tv screen cause the raptors teammates were not even doing their part to feed vince the ball or knock down shots. Facts are important but context is a lot more importanta. Vince needs a change of surroundings. When he is healthy on a good team, I believe him and Kobe are the best in the league. im telling you all, watch the DVD. He still has got some left in him.
"He had 5 good games" Your wrong there buddy. If you know a way how, I can post a video I made that definitely shows more than 5 games he was good in. Im serious that I watched every game.
im sure every1 apreciates what he did for canadian bball, but i gotta say i was shook when he said he wanted to b traded... it wasnt surprising but.. that made me pissed
How can you blame him? He's an American living in a Canadian city. I'm sure he loves the money, but it's not his 1st home. I'm sure that's not his 1st reason for being traded, but he had to have thought about it.
Why should we appreciate someone when they lie to a city straightfaced? You dont' give respect or appreciation to people who have no respect. Sure you say that you are staying in Toronto BEFORE your all star charity game, now you are saying that yes you want to leave now? How can you respect that? Sorry I was a big Vince fan before but I'm not gonna kiss his ass for the things he has doen for/to us. It's the nature of professional sports today and it will never change. He is not the same player he was during that series. That is a given. I don't think he will ever get to that level again, at least not with Toronto.
you need to understand something man...the people of toronto feel betrayed by vince. we have all treaded him like gold, and to turn around and ask for a trade is a bit of a knife in the back its easy to be a vince supporter when your not in toronto and the raptors arent your team. im not just a vince fan, im a raptors fan. vince isnt showing any loyalty to the team or the city...why should we show any loyalty to him all that stuff about the playoffs and what he has done for basketball is in the passed...im concerned about the present and future of the raptors. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting PitBull:</div><div class="quote_post">How can you blame him? He's an American living in a Canadian city. I'm sure he loves the money, but it's not his 1st home. I'm sure that's not his 1st reason for being traded, but he had to have thought about it.</div> wtf? so what? how many players play in the city they are from? toronto is closer to florida then seattle, L.A. or plenty of cities. thats a retarded reason
"Why should we appreciate someone when they lie to a city straightfaced? You dont' give respect or appreciation to people who have no respect. Sure you say that you are staying in Toronto BEFORE your all star charity game, now you are saying that yes you want to leave now? How can you respect that? He is not the same player he was during that series. That is a given. I don't think he will ever get to that level again, at least not with Toronto." Well for one, he waited to after the charity game to make that announcement. he gave the fans what they wanted. I respect him for that. He wont be that level in toronto....thats why he wants to be traded. "vince isnt showing any loyalty to the team or the city...why should we show any loyalty to him" He signed a 6 year deal a while back because he LOVED the city, he LOVED the fans, and he wanted to be a Raptor. There may be some internal organization thing that the public doesnt know about...i dont know. The point is, being a raptor for this long did not work out, no one can argue that. He wants whats better for the team , i think, so he wants to be traded where he will be happy and the raptors organization will be happy.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting MaxaMillion711:</div><div class="quote_post"> He signed a 6 year deal a while back because he LOVED the city, he LOVED the fans, and he wanted to be a Raptor. There may be some internal organization thing that the public doesnt know about...i dont know. The point is, being a raptor for this long did not work out, no one can argue that. He wants whats better for the team , i think, so he wants to be traded where he will be happy and the raptors organization will be happy.</div> LOL!!! wrong...he wants whats best for him and him only. he's only got vince in mind. he even said so himself "i just think its time for me to move on and do whats best for vince" thats an actual direct quote! im not concerned about what he's done in the passed...im concerned with what he is doing right now. he may have signed a contract, but now he wants out of it essentially. how can you say being a raptor hasnt worked out? he's giving up on being a raptor. trust me man...i was as big a vince supporter as anyone...like i said. you dont understand since your not a TRUE raptor fan and not even a resident of toronto. its a different circumstance since your a vince fan and not a raptor fan
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting dj_premium_plus:</div><div class="quote_post">LOL!!! wrong...he wants whats best for him and him only. he's only got vince in mind. he even said so himself "i just think its time for me to move on and do whats best for vince" thats an actual direct quote! im not concerned about what he's done in the passed...im concerned with what he is doing right now. he may have signed a contract, but now he wants out of it essentially. how can you say being a raptor hasnt worked out? he's giving up on being a raptor. trust me man...i was as big a vince supporter as anyone...like i said. you dont understand since your not a TRUE raptor fan and not even a resident of toronto. its a different circumstance since your a vince fan and not a raptor fan</div> HAHA quite wrong man, he's actually thinking for himself for a change than playing for garbage Toronto where theres hardly any raptors coverage on the FAN590 and all the fans hate him. Its time he moved on, he did so much for this team, more than anyone else will in the future for sure, and u dislike him so much. He could have signed with anyone else when he decided to sign with TO back again, at that point he was in the highest echelon of players, everyone wanted him, but he chose Toronto back again, which is a personal sacrifice, cuz if he was in the states, there'd be more banners all over for him and its bball country. AT THAT time, he did that for TO. Hate on him when he's injured, I blame KO for this one. His coaching was terrible, Vince had to sit back and watch mgmt switch and many players. ITs about time theres a change of atmosphere for him, for anybody that would be their smartest move. ALthough i would really luv it if he plays exceptional for the raps this yr =P
trust me man...i was as big a vince supporter as anyone...like i said. you dont understand since your not a TRUE raptor fan and not even a resident of toronto. its a different circumstance since your a vince fan and not a raptor fan yeah....i became a raptor fan last year cause im a vince carter fan. agreed. intrepid1983 gives a great point. he gave toronto 3 years of a chance and honestly....all the years were not pretty...especially 2003. Its time for a change in scenery for him. carter doesnt have that killer instinct in him in the past 3 years. Hes not motivated in TOR. your point about doing it all for vince? So what? there is no selfless player in the league. Whats wrong with doing something that benefits you? theres nothing wrong with that. he thinks it will beenfit both parties. I just know that he will be booed so hard if he stays a raptor. i dont think the organization will want that....:-/
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting intrepid1983:</div><div class="quote_post">HAHA quite wrong man, he's actually thinking for himself for a change</div> how can i be "quite wrong" when thats exactly what i said. that he's thinking for himself? how can i be quite wrong when im quoting a direct comment from his mouth? <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> than playing for garbage Toronto where theres hardly any raptors coverage on the FAN590 and all the fans hate him.</div> and the fan590 is the sports media mecca in toronto? the raptors get good coverage on sportsnet, tsn and GREAT coverage from the score. but lets face it...raptors will always take a back seat to the leafs. welcome to life in toronto...thats how it is. as for the fans hating him, there are still plenty of vince supporters. i loved vince up untill he asked for a trade. if he stays a raptor ill still support him. but iv lost a lot of respect for him thats for sure <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> Its time he moved on, he did so much for this team, more than anyone else will in the future for sure, and u dislike him so much. </div> big assumption and opinion on your part. hardly fact. and wrong again, vince has been one of my fav players for TIME now...im pissed that hes asking to be traded. i think thats pretty understandable <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> He could have signed with anyone else when he decided to sign with TO back again, at that point he was in the highest echelon of players, everyone wanted him, but he chose Toronto back again, which is a personal sacrifice, cuz if he was in the states, there'd be more banners all over for him and its bball country. AT THAT time, he did that for TO. Hate on him when he's injured, I blame KO for this one. His coaching was terrible, Vince had to sit back and watch mgmt switch and many players. ITs about time theres a change of atmosphere for him, for anybody that would be their smartest move. ALthough i would really luv it if he plays exceptional for the raps this yr =P</div> why do people keep bringing up what vince did in the passed? its all about what hes doing now. dont you people get it? who cares if he brought the raptors to the 2nd round of the playoffs once. what kind of accomplishment is that??? you'd never hear that brought up as an accomplishment for ANY other player. coming within one shot of the eastern conferance finals is still only making it to the 2nd round. vince is supposed to sit back and watch managment make descisions that might end up being bad for the team. its his job to sit back and take it. he's a player. and a player who is actually dedicated to the city and franchise should stick by the team through thick and thin. raptors stuck by vince when he was out with injuries...soon as raptors hit a speed bump, he wants out. selfish and imature. simple like that <div class="quote_poster">Quoting MaxaMillion711:</div><div class="quote_post"> yeah....i became a raptor fan last year cause im a vince carter fan. agreed.</div> exactly. thats why you dont understand <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> intrepid1983 gives a great point. he gave toronto 3 years of a chance and honestly....all the years were not pretty...especially 2003. Its time for a change in scenery for him. carter doesnt have that killer instinct in him in the past 3 years. Hes not motivated in TOR. your point about doing it all for vince? So what? there is no selfless player in the league. Whats wrong with doing something that benefits you? theres nothing wrong with that. he thinks it will beenfit both parties. I just know that he will be booed so hard if he stays a raptor. i dont think the organization will want that....:-/</div> 3 yrs? oh well then whoopteedoo!! you make it sound like he's given his heart and soul to the raps. he's not even 30 yet. and if a new coach, a budding superstar, a new gm and a good core of talent isnt enough to motivate a player then what is? a trade should be the last option. vince has plenty to get motivated over in toronto...he's just being a baby so because other players arent selfless vince shouldnt be? whats so selfless about dedicating yourself to the team you made a commitment to? thats a selfless act? staying in the city thats treated you like a king and getting paid a hundred million dollars? that would be a selfless act? jesus lets put him up for the nobel peace prize. staying in toronto doesnt qualify as a selfless act, but asking for a trade to a team of his choice certainly is selfish if vince doesnt want to get booed, then he should just go out and play hard and lead the raptors to victories.
Sometimes you gotta be selfish. I hope your right that he has to lead toronto to victories. Core talent??? I dont know about that.... Vince spent 6 years here and has done alot......vince has given the raptor management 3 years to get a team that will win....they havent done that. he wants out. Nothin wrong about that. Whats the big hub ub about vince wanting to go to a winning team? hes given the raptors plenty of time. why are you so mad that he doesnt want to be a raptor anymore, if he does get traded, most likely the raps will get something great in return. there comes a point where you have to decide whats more important, your needs and wants for a career or whats good for the fans and the team youve spent 6 years with. most of the time youd choose team, and vince has done that the past 6 years. ( not as much the last 2 years though ) but now he is done with the raptors and he wants to get out. You have to look at the past...you cant just isolate a situation now and base everything around that. CONTEXT man....CONTEXT
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting MaxaMillion711:</div><div class="quote_post">Sometimes you gotta be selfish. I hope your right that he has to lead toronto to victories. Core talent??? I dont know about that....</div> jalen, donyell, rafer, alvin, mo pete, bosh...thats a pretty decent core to build around is it not? <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> Vince spent 6 years here and has done alot......vince has given the raptor management 3 years to get a team that will win....they havent done that. he wants out. Nothin wrong about that.</div> they had a team built to win, but injuries hurt the team. vince's injuries to be specific. hardly the teams fault. and 3 yrs? im not sure how many teams have jumped into title contention in 3 yrs. thats a pretty short time to build a championship contender. especially when in that time your star franchise player goes down with injuries. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> Whats the big hub ub about vince wanting to go to a winning team? hes given the raptors plenty of time. why are you so mad that he doesnt want to be a raptor anymore, if he does get traded, most likely the raps will get something great in return. there comes a point where you have to decide whats more important, your needs and wants for a career or whats good for the fans and the team youve spent 6 years with. most of the time youd choose team, and vince has done that the past 6 years. ( not as much the last 2 years though ) but now he is done with the raptors and he wants to get out. You have to look at the past...you cant just isolate a situation now and base everything around that. CONTEXT man....CONTEXT</div> omg you cant be serious!? whats wrong with wanting to leave the raps? do you even LOVE a team? seems to me with a statement like that your not even passionate about a team. if you didnt know, its kind of an insult to the team when your star player says "i dont want to be here anymore". everybody in the league wants to be on a winning team. unfortunately some teams need to do a bit of restructuring, and thats what the raps are doing. if vince would just chill out, then the raps could be that. and NO! vince hasnt given the team plenty of time. same time pierce has given boston, and he's sitting by while ainge makes all kinds of crazy moves. same situation, same length of time...cept pierce hasnt sat out for practically 2 seasons with injuries. you younger kids dont seem to know a thing about loyalty. what would happen if every player who wasnt on a championship contending team demanded a trade? lebron wouldnt be in cleveland, pierce wouldnt be in boston, nobody would ever play for the clipps, nobody would ever play for the hawks. by your logic, the same teams should just continue to get superstars and the same teams should just wallow in sub-mediocrity because hey...if a player wants to play for a contending team, he should be allowed. since when is it the norm that players dictate where they play their whole career? guess what...getting paid millions of dollars for being a basketball player is a blessing in itself...that should be enough. if he does get traded i hope the raps get something good in return. of course ill be happy if that happens. id also be happy if vince just sucked it up and played for the raps.
You can train to regain foot speed. There are lots of drills for that. You just have to put in the time and effort.
nobody would ever play for the hawks. by your logic, Well i think Vince has a higher status than the hawks players, dont you? My point is that Vince has done so much for the raptors that he shouldn't just completely submit to the team and do whatever they want and wait for them to get good. But i hope and pray that whatever happens this year, the raps win and Vince wins.
^Sorry but last time I checked: When you sign a contract you are bound by that contract and under no terms will you be released under that contract unless you want to forfeit the rest of the money you are owed. It's not about submitting to the team, it's about honoring a deal.
I'm not a Raptors fan, so I don't know how far I'll be able to debate in this thread but my opinion about Vince has really changed this last year. Before Vince's injuries, I was buying his jerseys and cards, and watching clips...I really thought he was something big. Kobe and Vince were my two favorite players...but now, especially after Vince's attitude towards Toronto, I don't see any reason not to just dump the guy off for anyone that's available to trade, and get it over with. Why keep a guy who doesn't have enough pride to wear a Raptors jersey that he's been wearing since 1998? Vince's supporting cast may not be the greatest, but he's got talent surrounding him, like Bosh, Rose, Marshall and now Rafer Alson and Rafael Araujo. What more does he want, a championship? Yeah, so does every NBA player...and guys like Karl Malone were less fortunate to win one, yet he gave the Jazz 17 or 18 years or so and is still considered one of the greatest players to play the game. Carter can end up like Gary Payton, and complain about winning rather than just being thankful you are one of the best in the league. He can jump to different teams, play with one team for a year, then to another...or, he can respect the Raptors and give them all he's got to bring his trade value back up in hopes that if he did ask for a trade the next time around, Babcock will reason with him. That would be the best thing to do, for not just Vince, but for Toronto.
