How will Vince pose this year against the likes of Kobe, AI, McGrady, Pierce, Lebron, Carmelo, Artest, and add some more like Ray Allen. Carter vs Kobe- In the last couple of years, in fact every season except Vince's rookie season and last year, Kobe has had the best of him. One thing that is consistent is that the Lakers always get the best of Vince. He just can't win in LA. Kobe always brings it to Vince, and Vince doesn't always respond. Last year it was 4 stars against one, and this year its back to Kobe vs Vince. This should be exciting. I think Raptors mite get 1 win this year. Carter vs AI: Both these guys bring it to a whole new level when facing eachother. Recently, the Raptors have had Philadelphia's number. But Ai is till winning the personal battles. I think he will continue to do so, and the Raps will still win. Carter vs Tmac: Carter tries not to be embarassed by his younger cousin, but hen can't help it any more. Hopefully Vince won't totally get humiliated. I don't think the Raps will beat Houston. Carter vs Pierce: Against Pierce, Carter shines, but the Celtics are rebuilt this year, so I don't know if they'll take the season series. But look for carter to dominate pierce. Carter vs LBJ: Last year this hype rivalry was a bust, because none of these guys brought it. Hopefully Lebron brings the fire, so Vince can start. Last year Vince was hot during games against the Cavs, but he cooled down fast. So far its 1 season for Vince and none for Lebron, in their rivalry. Carter vs Artest: Unlike last year, I hope Carter dominates Artest like he used to. The thing is Carter can't take the physical contact, but when he does Artest can't stop him. But the Raptors won't win the series until Carter outshines both Artest and Oneal, which is unlikely these days. Carter vs Carmelo: Unlike Lebron who has a bright future and loads of potential, Carmelo is not an athletic freak. I don't ever see him getting over 27ppg, and 4apg. Carter will always win this rivalry, he better win this. And I think the raptors can still take the nuggets just like last year. Oh yah, if Carter can take New Jersey with Kidd, Martin, and Jefferson, I think he can take Denver with Martin and Anthony and Camby.
Haha...not to be rude, but it seems like you're saying "Vince vs. the other teams" instead of focusing on the one-on-one battle. Just because the Raptors beat a team with a star player on it doesn't mean that Vince was showing out against that player...it just means that it was a win for Toronto.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting realdealbneal:</div><div class="quote_post">Haha...not to be rude, but it seems like you're saying "Vince vs. the other teams" instead of focusing on the one-on-one battle. Just because the Raptors beat a team with a star player on it doesn't mean that Vince was showing out against that player...it just means that it was a win for Toronto. </div> No man, its a part of it. I could include the stats if u want me to, but it just turns out that the winning star, usually gets the better numbers. That holds true for Kobe vs Carter (Kobe), Carter vs Pierce (carter) , Carter vs Lebron (Carter), Carter vs Anthony (Carter), Carter vs Artest (artest), Carter vs McGrady (T-Mac). The only exception was with AI vs carter where Carters team won but AI out did Carter.
I don't get how you guys can rate a player based on one-on-one competitions in A TEAM. There are so many other factors determining the end result of a game that it is faulty science trying to compare who comes out best based on when two players go at it. Unless they play a game of 21 or something like that individually, its virtually impossible to grade a player based on the games when they face each other.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Carter vs Kobe- In the last couple of years, in fact every season except Vince's rookie season and last year, Kobe has had the best of him. One thing that is consistent is that the Lakers always get the best of Vince. He just can't win in LA. Kobe always brings it to Vince, and Vince doesn't always respond. Last year it was 4 stars against one, and this year its back to Kobe vs Vince. This should be exciting. I think Raptors mite get 1 win this year.</div> you're kidding right? vince has outplayed kobe in all of their contests. kobe has never got the best of vince. you're mistaking him as saq, 'cause shaq has a history/reputation of dominating the raptors/vince.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Chungster:</div><div class="quote_post">you're kidding right? vince has outplayed kobe in all of their contests. kobe has never got the best of vince. you're mistaking him as saq, 'cause shaq has a history/reputation of dominating the raptors/vince.</div> Last year, first meeting...Lakers 94, Raptors 79. Vince scored 23 and Kobe 19...but Kobe shot 5-11 (46%) from the field, while Vince was 7-22 (32%). Both had similar stats otherwise. Advantage = Kobe. Second meeting, Lakers 84, Raptors 83. Lakers barely won, but Kobe didn't play. Vince played 43 minutes and scored 27 points, 10 rebounds on 8-20 shooting (40%). This is with no Kobe. To my knowledge, the Raptors didn't beat the Lakers at all two seasons ago, either...but Carter was hurt for both games. When did VC outplay Kobe?
I don't agree with the Tmac/Vince one. From all the Magic/Raps games I've seen, they both bring intensity to the table when they face each other. Tmac always has more points but the Raptors still win most of the time. A game that comes into mind is last year when Mcgrady and Carter went clutch-shot for clutch-shot in the final minute of the game before Vince knocked an off-balance shot and Mcgrady missed the tying shot. Vince is always hyped when playing Mcgrady and plays somewhat fiercely.
You guys are rookies when it comes to history so i mite as well bring out the stats. I have all the stats recorded down for each game in certain battles. I will link it to my site. http://bwo.builtfree.org/aicartstat.htm (AI vs Carter). (Carter vs Kobe) http://bwo.builtfree.org/cartkobe.xls, (carter vs Tmac) http://bwo.builtfree.org/tcart.xls
Sites don't work. Like I said, statistically, Tracy will get the best of Vince most of the time but in the end, Vince usually ends up shining through and carrying his team to victory or vice-versa. It's always a tight game.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting spawn:</div><div class="quote_post">Sites don't work. Like I said, statistically, Tracy will get the best of Vince most of the time but in the end, Vince usually ends up shining through and carrying his team to victory or vice-versa. It's always a tight game.</div> sites work man, depends on ur browser. Check again. And for Kobe and Tmacs wait for microsoft excel to load, it mite not work if u don't have excel.
Overall in McGrady vs Carter so far Tmac is 8-5 against the Raptors while Carter is 5-6. How is he shining? And by the way (Career) ppg rpg apg stp bpg T-mac 28.31 6.62 5.77 1.08 0.85 Carter 20.27 4.09 5.64 1.73 0.55
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting realdealbneal:</div><div class="quote_post">Last year, first meeting...Lakers 94, Raptors 79. Vince scored 23 and Kobe 19...but Kobe shot 5-11 (46%) from the field, while Vince was 7-22 (32%). Both had similar stats otherwise. Advantage = Kobe. Second meeting, Lakers 84, Raptors 83. Lakers barely won, but Kobe didn't play. Vince played 43 minutes and scored 27 points, 10 rebounds on 8-20 shooting (40%). This is with no Kobe. To my knowledge, the Raptors didn't beat the Lakers at all two seasons ago, either...but Carter was hurt for both games. When did VC outplay Kobe?</div> He outplayed Kobe during the 1999-2000 season where Carter averaged 31.50 7.50 4.00 2.50 1.00 and KObe 26.00 3.00 3.00 3.00 0.00 Kobe played only one game during that season just like this year, but during that game.. VC: (29 points, 2 rebs, 4assists, 4 steals, and 1 block) while Kobe got the above. As you can see Vince clearly did better than him. As far as there battle is concerned, this year we should see it turn up a notch, now that shaq is gone.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting arhieboy:</div><div class="quote_post">He outplayed Kobe during the 1999-2000 season where Carter averaged 31.50 7.50 4.00 2.50 1.00 and KObe 26.00 3.00 3.00 3.00 0.00 Kobe played only one game during that season just like this year, but during that game.. VC: (29 points, 2 rebs, 4assists, 4 steals, and 1 block) while Kobe got the above. As you can see Vince clearly did better than him. As far as there battle is concerned, this year we should see it turn up a notch, now that shaq is gone.</div> Haha...that's when Kobe finally started to develop (the first year of the Lakers' three-peat). I'd assume Carter would do much better than Kobe, actually. Today, it would be a different story. Plus, you aren't adding in the fact that Kobe wasn't the main guy on the Lakers either, so he wasn't the best scoring option. He didn't become that until 2001 or 2002 (partially) and then he began to hold the ball more. Sure, if Shaq wasn't on the Lakers, Kobe would be pouring in many more points. That stuff doesn't account for how much better or worse Carter is than Kobe.
Honestly, this shouldn't be a debate. I should be riding Vince's jock, but I'll honestly say that Kobe is currently the better player than Vince. In the past (2+ years ago), it was definitely a debate, but right now, Kobe is and will most likely always be better than Vince, happy?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Chungster:</div><div class="quote_post">Honestly, this shouldn't be a debate. I should be riding Vince's jock, but I'll honestly say that Kobe is currently the better player than Vince. In the past (2+ years ago), it was definitely a debate, but right now, Kobe is and will most likely always be better than Vince, happy?</div> Nobody expects you to say that Kobe has always been better. What I'm saying is that Vince had his best years in the league, and he was pretty damn good. Now, it's a different story. Vince was my second favorite player behind Kobe...I followed North Carolina just to watch him. Once he got hurt, I was hoping he'd return to his regular self...but he never did. Then, I stopped liking Vince once he wanted to be traded. That's just my opinion...I have no problem saying that Kobe and Vince were two of the best SG's in the league in the late 90's...but I have to take Vince off my list here lately, but hopefully he comes back because I'd like to see him playing at his full potential again.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting realdealbneal:</div><div class="quote_post">Nobody expects you to say that Kobe has always been better. What I'm saying is that Vince had his best years in the league, and he was pretty damn good. Now, it's a different story. Vince was my second favorite player behind Kobe...I followed North Carolina just to watch him. Once he got hurt, I was hoping he'd return to his regular self...but he never did. Then, I stopped liking Vince once he wanted to be traded. That's just my opinion...I have no problem saying that Kobe and Vince were two of the best SG's in the league in the late 90's...but I have to take Vince off my list here lately, but hopefully he comes back because I'd like to see him playing at his full potential again.</div> Yah man, I want Vince back in action. He should have the same drive against Kobe that he has against Tmac. It will be good enough for the win. But not only the win, he has to defend Kobe for once. I don't know why Carter backs down from defending the opposing guards. It just frustrates me. I mean have u seen this guy block when he wants to. He blocks like hes big ben, or Shaq. He sends it into the seats. Vince come back so u can stuff Kobez into the lottery draft. Back tor eality.. It ain't gonna happen, but lets keep hopin. Go Vince... Go Raptors. 43 wins baby.
Vince Carter won't be guarding any of the top shooting guards from the opposing team, because in doing so he might have to sacrifice some energy that he could've focused on his offensive prowess. And its not just Vince, most of the top guards are like that too. Granted, there are moments in quarters where two top shooting guards go against each other, but in an ideal situation, someone else will handle the job of guarding the opposing teams best guards.
Those analysis are complatley baseless. No way you could compare two superstars one on one when they have two different casts around them and they play different style of basketball.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Purple Fever:</div><div class="quote_post">Those analysis are complatley baseless. No way you could compare two superstars one on one when they have two different casts around them and they play different style of basketball.</div> Yah u can, u can always compare guards in how they play in games. Thats the whole point. How else are you going to compare guards? How they play against each other in a one-on-one? Thats unrealistic because you won't see two nba players going at it, and just because you beat some one in a one-on one doesn't mean you are a better basketball player, it just means you are a better 1 on 1 player.
