Shaq article

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  1. Mr.Wade

    Mr.Wade JBB The Canadian Dream

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    Alright... I didn't say Wade was better than Iverson THIS YEAR... he will be IN THE UPCOMING YEARS. 05-06, 06-07 etc... Iverson never improves... does't have the drive or anything. Wade knows the importance of practice and workouts already. I'm not overrating him, I just know a lot aobut him and I know that when he taps into his full potential the sky's the limit.

    Iverson Wouldn't destroy Wade... not destroy this year, but he'd beat him yes. Although Iverson's FG % isn't impressive he's still better than Wade. Although Wade has almost 10% better FG% than Iverson and has better shot selection.

    I know right now Wade isn't as good as P-square or T-mac etc. But I'm saying he will be. He's got it in him, and his work ethic and drive, potential is all there. His summers are going to so effective, and every summer he'll come out being better than he was the previous year.

    I wouldn't say he's never goign to be on the same level as T-Mac and them... he's already carried his team in the playoffs to the 2nd round and put up a fight against the team with the best record in the league. While T-Mac has never gotten out of the 1st round. and Bron hasn't made the playoffs... while Wade exploded in the playoffs....

    Again I"m not overrating him.
     
  2. Miami's Finest

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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting realdealbneal:</div><div class="quote_post">I've placed this on Jordan once...because Michael Jordan missed over 9,000 shots in his career and missed 26 game winners...yet he got better by failing, missing shots and learning from his mistakes, and now he is arguably the best ever. Plus, you can't pass to someone who's not able to run out to the free throw line to get the pass, like Yao Ming and Tim Duncan can. You rarely see Shaq outside of the paint, and there's a reason for that.</div>Again about Shaq, who cares what he does, he gets points and that's all that matters (even if he costs Kobe+team assists...this is the Kobe mentality, he wants to improve his stats rather than win)...centers aren't suppose to be great from outside the paint and Shaq has a mean hook shot. As for the MJ comparison I just hope for the Lakers sake that they betted on Kobe being the next MJ is right. He's clutch but Kobe's numbers didn't match up to MJ at his age and MJ would've put up better numbers with Shaq.

    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting realdealbneal:</div><div class="quote_post">Well, Phil realized that Gary Payton was playing horribly (4 PPG and letting Chauncey score at will) and Payton was not an option, to score or pass. Malone was out. Kobe's choices were either Shaq or Devean George, but Kobe's pass couldn't go to Shaq because of what I said earlier, and his pass couldn't go to George because...do you ever see Devean George leave the three point line? He's like Stojakovic, but with worse shooting...he never leaves the perimeter because he can't do anything else but attempt wide-open threes.</div>Agreed. On a side not though Devean George did better than Kobe (by a slight margin) with the little attempts he had so he wasn't as bad as you think. I still think it's Phils job as a coach to fix his team and give it the best chance at winning.

    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting realdealbneal:</div><div class="quote_post">Last year, the Heat were really good at playing off the ball...this includes Odom, Grant and Butler, not just Wade. So, the way I see it, there will be alot of movement now that Shaq is gone and George is on the IR...and with a great passing center, I see the Lakers going far, and Kobe having a great year also.</div>The Laker offense is gonna be all about Kobe as Rudy T said so don't expect those guys to bring the same results as when they shared the ball amongst the team.

    Another thing to keep in mind: The Heat were being ran by the people who ought to run a team, the Coaches, not the players. If Kobe doesn't like something, whether its for the best of the team or not, he will express his feelings to Buss and Rudy T will have to work around it or be fired.

    There are two ways (I think) the Lakers will suceed:
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    [*]Kobe boosts his FG% and 3PT% considerably to truly be a primary scoring option
    [*]Kobe will have to share the ball just as equally as he did with Last year's team (and let's be honest, the team didn't dismantle for that to happen)
    [/list]I honestly don't think it's worth betting on 'the next MJ' knowing that MJ would've done way better with Shaq on his team and not worse.
     
  3. jbbReal Deal

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    A combination of Jordan and Shaq may not have been a good idea, and here's why: one thing that the Lakers had trouble with, even though they were nearly perfect those three championships, was that they couldn't decide on who was more important. Who was going to lead them? In the first championship, it was Shaq. The second one, it was nearly balanced between Shaq and Kobe (including the regular season). In the third one, Kobe probably should've won the MVP award.

    In a Jordan/Shaq relationship, who would've had the ball? There would be no chemistry between these two. Kobe/Shaq were still the same players in the last two years, but they argued and fought...Shaq was so angered that he gained weight and stopped working out, while Kobe kept the ball more often...simple as that. Jordan would've never put up with Shaq...he barely put up with his teammates, who were almost doing everything right.

    The biggest test for both teams next year is chemistry. If Wade and Shaq can develop chemistry this soon, they'll do great...but they need to find a way to avoid what happened to the Lakers in the Finals. If the Lakers find chemistry, then they'll do great also. One great player, one really good player, and good shooters and defenders = championship material. I consider Shaq and Kobe both great...and Odom and Wade both really good...so go figure. It all will rely on team chemistry.

    EDIT: By the way...notice that when Kobe improved and became a great player, him and Shaq failed in the end. Two great players that want the ball...it's tough to work out unless you're great as in Magic Johnson great, who will always pass the ball first, but loves to score.
     
  4. Mr.Wade

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    Ther'es no question about who's better Jordan or Shaq. Obviously Shaq would be the 2nd option no matter what. I mean it's Michael Jordan. He is much better than Kobe, so ther's no disputing of who's better and what not. I'm sure Shaq would've let Jordan handle the ball and do whatever he wants just as long as he was also getting his fill, which Jordan would allow him too just like he did with Scottie.

    Jordan and Shaq combo would've ripped the league inside and out. Picture that with Scottie Pippen... that's like a 10 year dynasty lol.
     
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    Did anybody watch the Jon Barry Sports Wrap ??? They were interviewing Stan Van Gundy and he talked about some stuff. About our offense, he said it won't be a run up offense like last year, it'll be more like run up BUT if you don't have a good chance to score then wait for shaq to get there to set up the play. This is straight considering the Heat have a lot of youth on the team and they can still run and gun. He said some other stuff but not worth typing...
     
  6. Mr.Wade

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    That type of offense sounds perfect for the Heat... Dwyane still has a chance to create in the open court, while Shaq still gets the touches he deserves and needs.... perfecto!
     
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    People quit bashing Shaq and kobe! Just wait and see who has the better records at the end of the seasons and rub it in eah others faces then!
     

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