i just thought of this after reading the thread about penny/kobe/shaq. i was thinking that penny and iverson r similiar players, and iverson never had a big man to play with, like penny didnt have a big man to play with after shaq left, now iverson has a emerging star in samuel dalembert to play with, do you guys think the iverson to dalembert relation mite relate to penny to shaq? do you tink iverson/sixers will succede more now that they have a good big man?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting iversonfan3:</div><div class="quote_post">i just thought of this after reading the thread about penny/kobe/shaq. i was thinking that penny and iverson r similiar players, and iverson never had a big man to play with, like penny didnt have a big man to play with after shaq left, now iverson has a emerging star in samuel dalembert to play with, do you guys think the iverson to dalembert relation mite relate to penny to shaq? do you tink iverson/sixers will succede more now that they have a good big man?</div> I don't think there's much a comparison, to be honest. Dalembert is good player, and potentially an all-star down the line. But he's no Shaq. I mean, its not even close. In Orlando, that was Shaq's team and Penny was second fiddle. In Philly, everyone knows its Iverson's team, and Dalembert is basically a role player right now. No one would even mention Iverson/Dalembert as one of the top ten 2-man tandems in the league. I think Sixers will be better this year, because I expect Iverson to have a better season. But maybe Dalembert will prove me wrong and become a rising star this year.
Wow Dalembert is projected to be an all-star sometime down the line? Well I guess since there is a lack of centers. But yeah, this definately won't be no Shaq and Penny situation. Never even thought about Dalmebert being that good at all.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Never even thought about Dalmebert being that good at all.</div>We'll you must have not seen much of Samuel Dalembert.He was able to play good in the last month of the season averaging.13ppg 12rpg and 4bpg in the last month of the season shows he has crazy potential,and he is only going to get better.
Wow, this comparison is way out there. Yes, AI will benefit from Dalembert on the court, but nowhere near how much Kobe or Penny benefited from Shaq. Shaq is the most dominating player in the league, and he is always the number one focus of the opposing team's defense. Dalembert is hardly an offensive threat. In fact, the majority of his offensive skills is due to accidental offense. Plus, with O'Brien as the new coach, even if the guy can score from the post, he isn't going to get a chance to show it. Dalembert is probably good for 10-12 ppg, but most of that a result of easy tip-ins and put back layups after offensive rebounds.
I agree that there is hardly any comparison between AI-Dalembert and Shaq-Penny...in fact, there is NO comparison...AI is a future HOFer, so is Shaq, Penny might be, but Dalembert just has not proved himself yet...
True,I am not saying that the Sixers will have a Shaq-Penny situation,because that is way off.I was just explaining in my first post that Sammy D has the potential to be a good center.If his offensive game got better then he could be an all star in a couple of seasons,imo.
I think it's way too early to say that Dalembert will be an All star. Philly will definitely be better because of his presense, but he had what, a month or two of great play? We've seen flashes of brilliance from Kwame, Curry, even guys like Olowakandi back in the day showed promise, but never really panned out. Plus, even though Jamal Maglore was voted all star mostly due to a lack of big men in the East, I see that changing slowly. In a few years, I don't think there will be big men getting to the east all star by default. There is young, big talent out there, with the likes of Curry, Chandler, Brown, Perkins, Jefferson, Milicic, etc. (yes, they still have not proven it, but big men out of high school ALWAYS take a lot longer to develop, look at J O'neal and KG).
Dalembert is a great player, and will continue to play at a very high level, but you can't compare him to Shaq. He will never dominate the league the way that Shaq has done, and will continue to do for a couple more years. But this isn't a bad question.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting ckypissdrunk:</div><div class="quote_post">Dalembert is overrated. I say he gets this year to break out and if he doesn't, he won't ever.</div> You cannot say he is over rated because he is only like 23 yrs old which means he still has alot of progressing in the NBA. You may think people over hype him because the only one's talking so highly about him are the Sixers fans on JBB. For example, the thread topic. I would of never compared Sam to Shaq not in a million years. They are to totally different players and have no comparision. But if you watched Shaq match up with Sammie last year, you would take notice that Shaq had a few problems shooting over him. And was definitely aware of his Shot blocking ability.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Need4Sheed:</div><div class="quote_post">You cannot say he is over rated because he is only like 23 yrs old which means he still has alot of progressing in the NBA. You may think people over hype him because the only one's talking so highly about him are the Sixers fans on JBB. For example, the thread topic. I would of never compared Sam to Shaq not in a million years. They are to totally different players and have no comparision. But if you watched Shaq match up with Sammie last year, you would take notice that Shaq had a few problems shooting over him. And was definitely aware of his Shot blocking ability.</div>That's weird. You don't think people should judge Dalembert because he is only 23, and has yet to fully progress. But, you find it alright to call Kendrick Perkins a "bum", when he is only 19 and has only played a total of 35 minutes?
I knew one of you Celtics fans would bring that up, lol. Hmmm, who has showed more? Kedrick Perkins or Samuel Dalembert Can someone answer this question for me?
That's such an irrelevant question. My point wasn't that Perkins is better than Dalembert. I just wanted you to remember how annoying it is when somebody makes a statement like ckypissdrunk and yourself made about players who really haven't had a chance yet. Do you understand what I mean? (anyways....we should probably get back on topic.)
Na, not just yet. I do get ya. I just check someone thing on Yahoo and seen that KP averaged about 2 minutes per game when SD averaged about 23 per game. SD has shown alot of promise for the future and for now KP may just need time to show us something but I really think he will be shadowed this year by the rookie Jefferson emergance.
i no samuel dalembert is no comparison to shaq. u guys r taking this too directly i guess tahts the word for it, i was meaning that will it be similiar, does iverson have a similiar situation as penny does. now he gets a big man that's good/decent like penny had shaq and after shaq left penny starts to fall away....lol i no sammy d isnt comparable to shaq
Dalembert will never reach the level of Shaq. He has a totally body shape: Dalembert plays more on his athleticism and shotblocking ability, while Shaq uses his strength. Dalembert also doesn't have a real back-to-the-basket game yet either; he got most of his points last season on dunks and putbacks. I see his roof in stats being 15ppg, 11rpg and 3bpg.
no he wont be that good this season,i still see him with some inconsistency like maybe several 11,12 ,13 rebound games but then the next game get 7 rebounds, so i say he'll avegae 10-11 points and 9-10 rebounds 3-4 blocks is definitely possible
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting iversonfan3:</div><div class="quote_post">i no samuel dalembert is no comparison to shaq. u guys r taking this too directly i guess tahts the word for it, i was meaning that will it be similiar, does iverson have a similiar situation as penny does. now he gets a big man that's good/decent like penny had shaq and after shaq left penny starts to fall away....lol i no sammy d isnt comparable to shaq</div> If you know Dalembert isn't comparable to Shaq, than how can you think AI's situation is anything like Penny's? It's weird you'd make that sort of comparison. The relationship is completely different.
well......its not like im saying dalembert is exactly like shaq, im just saying simply that iverson now has a big guy, like penny had shaq. and after shaq left....penny sucked
