You guys are making this whole situation just too complicated. Ray Allen is just mad because he has lost his hair. Ray Allen was cool until about 2 years ago his hairline began to become transparent, now its just gone. Hes frustrated and depressed over his hair loss. Relax Ray Kobes hairline is jakked up too. LOL! LINKS phase 1 phase2 phase3 Final Phase
I'm going with Ray Allen here... everyone respects him and likes him, while Kobe everyone hates him except for Laker fans. BTW, since when did Ray Allen have no bragging rights... he's one of the best guards in the league, has the best shot in teh league, is an All-Star, is the model of a good citizen, unlike Kobe. Is overall a great person, unlike Kobe, who's only good on teh court. Ray Allen is a great person, and I believe whatever he says. I would think he's right, the man who helps others and is always nice, rather than a man who was accused of rape and disputes year after year with his teammates and coach.
^yeah, he's angry because he lost his hair, that answers everything. This is getting stupid, weren't they really close friends or something? At times Kobe should keep his mouth shut, examples already being provided, but this time I honestly don't think it's his fault, Ray Allen started it, but in his defense, Kobe's comments have been out of line as he should have just kept it at his first quote to settle this. It's funny how guys like Dwayne Wade and Lebron James are more mature than 8 year veterans. Oh, and please do not say anything about the whole Shaq-leaving-LA-becuase-Kobe story especially when some of you guys really don't know much about it.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">They look better than last year 4 sure.</div> If ever there was a homer statement, that would be it. Yeah, let's ignore 4 sure fire HOF'ers for the current guys and say they look better. Every mouthy player gets his come-upance and Kobe will get his. Saying Ray Allen doesn't belong mentioned with him is simply stupid. Now that Kobe's not riding Shaq's coat tails, we'll see how well the Lakers do. Once they start faltering, which they will, you can expect Kobe to start blaming everyone but himself, just like he's done in private in the past.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Mr.Wade:</div><div class="quote_post">I'm going with Ray Allen here... everyone respects him and likes him, while Kobe everyone hates him except for Laker fans. BTW, since when did Ray Allen have no bragging rights... he's one of the best guards in the league, has the best shot in teh league, is an All-Star, is the model of a good citizen, unlike Kobe. Is overall a great person, unlike Kobe, who's only good on teh court. Ray Allen is a great person, and I believe whatever he says. I would think he's right, the man who helps others and is always nice, rather than a man who was accused of rape and disputes year after year with his teammates and coach.</div> <font color="DarkRed">(removed for personal attack). </font> Most of his former teammates hated him and he even talked <font color="DarkRed">(profanity removed)</font> about his teammates while on the same team and his coach, so basically, he's in the same position as Kobe. Glen Robinson has threatened Ray and so has Thim Thomas. Ray is a big <font color="DarkRed">(masked profanity removed)</font> talker. <font color="DarkRed">(personal attack and profanity removed). </font> The man has nothing but hate for Kobe because he was drafted before Kobe yet Kobe will bust his ass any day. I'm done here. Ray Allen doesn't deserve to be mentioned in the same breath as Kobe. Ray Allen has NOTHING.
After having to edit that incredibly ignorant post, I'm going to ask the following: How exactly is it that Ray Allen doesn't deserve to be mentioned in the same breath with Kobe Bryant, without mentioning Championships? (*which Kobe hasn't proved he can win without Shaq)
He is nowhere near his skill level. Sure he can light it up. Too bad that's it. He can't lock down his opponents on D. He can't take over a game single handedly. He can't lead his team to victory with a near-broken shoulder. He can't make all those damn game-winning/tying shots. He just can't be the player Kobe is. I haven't seen him make 12 threes in one game... *(Keep in mind Kobe did that against these very same Sonics)* Ray Allen is not all he's hyped up to be. And yea, he has no rings.
Well saying Ray Allen is NOTHING is a little bit not true. Kobe is a better player than Ray. O yeah, i watched Ray shot a 3 pter (NBA) sitting down. Thats amazing man
Whenever Ray Allen and Kobe Bryant duke it out on the basketball court, Ray gets the best of Kobe a good portion of the time. Kobe has had the benefit of a championship caliber team his whole career while Ray Allen has had the Bucks and the Sonics. You CAN'T judge players in a head to head comparison by how their team does. I guess since Kevin Garnett hasn't won a championship then he is no where near Kobe's league. Ray Allen has no big men to help him out in Seattle and Kobe will get a little taste when the season starts without Shaq to win games for the Lakers. Kobe Bryant is not a god, he is mortal and when he plays against Ray Allen he shows it. Come on all you Kobe fanboys, get off his jock for once.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting hagrid:</div><div class="quote_post">How exactly is it that Ray Allen doesn't deserve to be mentioned in the same breath with Kobe Bryant?</div> Here's why (sarcasm): <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">because he has lost his hair.</div> Sadly that is the most valid reason that any of these Kobe groupies have provided. Ray Allen is a superstar and top 2-guard that acts professionally. People have been complaining that he made too many comments in the past, at least those actions were related to his job. He has proven consistant at staying out of trouble (or at least not getting caught). A four time allstar and a quiet leader.
us Laker fans can accept that Kobe shouldnt have made things worse between the two of them. but i havent heard anybody say that Ray shouldnt have made those comments on TV about Kobe. him saying that Kobe is gonna fail miserably this season cuz Shaq is gone.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting S.Livingston14:</div><div class="quote_post">Damn, Kobe has one big mouth. He never shuts it up, and now after he himself got Shaq out of L.A, he thinks he's the best player of all time. What's next for him to say. I am better then Michael Jordan. I don't think he used his injury to get out of it. He's not that type of guy.</div> Just for the record kobe did NOT take shaq out of LA. Shaq wanted to be traded. And MJ didn't play that great in Washington.
As a professional athlete i don't think Allen should have said anything at all. It's not even his place and doesn't really have much to do with him. however i do agree with what he said, he just shouldn't have said it to the press/public. Kobe needs a reality check, he's a spoilt MJ wanna be, and the only decent thing about him is ability. I don't think he has good game because of his selfish play/attitude towards his team. (now i realise T-MAC was a ball hog last season, but things have changed)
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting hagrid:</div><div class="quote_post">I guess the rest of us should spend our time spouting Ray Allens greatest hits? Who wants to start? </div> Tell me once when Kobe hit a game winner over Ray Allen, kinda like Ray did Kobe last season
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting McGrady#1:</div><div class="quote_post">As a professional athlete i don't think Allen should have said anything at all. It's not even his place and doesn't really have much to do with him. however i do agree with what he said, he just shouldn't have said it to the press/public. Kobe needs a reality check, he's a spoilt MJ wanna be, and the only decent thing about him is ability. I don't think he has good game because of his selfish play/attitude towards his team. (now i realise T-MAC was a ball hog last season, but things have changed)</div> You pointed out that things have changed with T-mac, Kobe this season has done a good job of getting his team involved and being a team player. And just why does he need a reality check?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting bdubb:</div><div class="quote_post">You pointed out that things have changed with T-mac, Kobe this season has done a good job of getting his team involved and being a team player. And just why does he need a reality check?</div> because he thinks everything revolves around him. i won't believe he has changed until i see solid evidence, even then i won't like him as player or famous face because of all the things that surround him, such as the rape trial. i know he got off and may not have raped the young lady, but he still cheated on his wife, the shaq and kobe thing too, i know he is not completly to blame but still. i just see so many people want a piece of him, and i expect its that way he interacts with them and treats people in general. Shaq Allen Phil Jackson and probably plenty more. i guess what do you expect paying a mid 20 year old a 136.5 million dollar contract and expecting his ego not to expand.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting McGrady#1:</div><div class="quote_post">because he thinks everything revolves around him. i won't believe he has changed until i see solid evidence, even then i won't like him as player or famous face because of all the things that surround him, such as the rape trial. i know he got off and may not have raped the young lady, but he still cheated on his wife, the shaq and kobe thing too, i know he is not completly to blame but still. i just see so many people want a piece of him, and i expect its that way he interacts with them and treats people in general. Shaq Allen Phil Jackson and probably plenty more. i guess what do you expect paying a mid 20 year old a 136.5 million dollar contract and expecting his ego not to expand.</div> I doubt if the guy will change. I have my own reservation on Kobe as a person, but I respect his game, his work ethic, and how he's always willing to take the big shot. I don't know the man nor do I know any other player in the NBA. I try to judge players on what I see on the court. What they do in their private lives I try not to concern myself with. The majority of the league is a bunch 20 year old millionaires with huge egos, and Kobe is a part of that club.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting bdubb:</div><div class="quote_post"> The majority of the league is a bunch 20 year old millionaires with huge egos, and Kobe is a part of that club.</div> true that. i reckon thats the whole problem with the legaue, you give an immature person that kinda of money and you think they'll be responsible LOL but i guess they can't go back now.
