Kobe gets unanimous NBA GMs votes as best SG

I found this link pretty interesting:

http://www.nba.com/preview2004/gmsurvey_position.html


Take a close look, according to the NBA GMs, Kobe Bryant is the best in his position as all of them gave a nod to him (100 per cent). This is very flattering <although Kobe indeed is the best in business> considering the 2 spot is also T-Mac's natural position. If you look at the 3 spot, T-Mac got the nod as the best but it's not his natural position because the GMs didn't know whereelse to put him with Kobe fully occupying the 2 spot. And his vote percentage that should have been higher slid to 52.4 per cent because KG, although versatile as he is is a natural 4 spot player, received 19.0 per cent at the 3 spot. Even the MDE Shaq did not get unanimous vote as some of the GMs (4.8 per cent) thought Tim Duncan, a player who should be playing at the 4, could have done a better job at center than Shaq. My point is: even a great player like T-Mac is ousted from his natural 2 spot simply because Kobe is there. I found it pretty hard to imagine, I mean, T-Mac folks! This is how great Kobe's game is (clutch, closest stuff to MJ's, explosive, range, determination, passion, challenge, and most recently trash talk) :thumbsup:

 

Seriously, I think Vince should of gotten atleast 3% of the votes while Tracy gets around 30%

 

I'm not surprised at all that Kobe got a unanimous vote. I don't think anyone who knows about the game would say that T-Mac (and certainly not Carter) is better than Kobe at the SG position, at this stage in their careers. Before last season, maybe some GMs would have said that. But after the Magic tanked last year, Kobe is the unanimous pick (other than with biased T-Mac fans). Skill-wise, its very close. But Kobe has the experience and has had more big moments on a big stage, and that puts him over the top. In fact, if you go back through history, it's hard to think of a SG in recent memory who's BETTER than Kobe, other than Jordan. I love Clyde Drexler, but Kobe is better. You'd have to go way back to Jerry West and Oscar Robertson.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Chungster:</div><div class="quote_post">Seriously, I think Vince should of gotten atleast 3% of the votes while Tracy gets around 30% </div>

^ You mean for the 2 spot ? No offense but there's no way will Vince get his there... not even T-Mac got any votes. Vince at his prime (before injury) would have gotten the nod over T-Mac slightly because he was an unstoppable force, killed you inside out easily. I agree with you that TMac should have gotten some of the votes there... his game I believe is actually more potent than Kobe's but he lacks the killer instinct, not up to challenge whatsoever. If he's got the determination such as Kobe's, T-Mac would go down as probably the greatest player to play the game. Which is what makes the vote even more amazing. This vote did not come from Disneyland... these GMs know players inside out exactly. If there's another who is the best player in the NBA discussion, this is one great reason to say Kobe's name.

 

Great, all we need is for Kobe's ego to grow even more. We'll see what he does this year, in his first year of "freedom." You have to give respect to players like TMac, Carter, and Iverson (to name a few) who have to carry so much of a burden on their shoulders. Kobe had 3 Hall of Famers, plus one of the best coaches in history to help him last season. We'll see how he does now.
No doubt he is great, but not by as large of a margin as people seem to think.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting TheMegaGreg:</div><div class="quote_post">Great, all we need is for Kobe's ego to grow even more. We'll see what he does this year, in his first year of "freedom." You have to give respect to players like TMac, Carter, and Iverson (to name a few) who have to carry so much of a burden on their shoulders. Kobe had 3 Hall of Famers, plus one of the best coaches in history to help him last season. We'll see how he does now.
No doubt he is great, but not by as large of a margin as people seem to think.</div>


So your saying Tmac Carter and Iverson are better players than Kobe because they were on bad teams? No offense but you will find out that the great coach phil jackson didn't like Kobe and didn't help him, Shaq helped him how, teaching him his special free thro technique? Malone and Payton where there one season and Kobe was great before they were there. Why should we respect Carter of all people, hes a giant baby? i want to be traded, lets give a 1/2 assed effort so i will get traded.

Also your mocking Kobe for wanting to lead his team and than say that he doesn't deserved to be respected because he hasnt led a team like A.I, Tmac, Or Carter. That doesn't make sense and once again it is popular to mock Kobe and Why? He's a good player and all he wants is to lead his team.

 

Thats awesome man. I knew there would be haters after an article like that was released.

 

Theres only one way you can explain this.

Because he is.

 

Come on guys.....Tmac was classified as a 3.

You can't sit here and act like there is no argument for Tmac being the best 2.

Look at the rest of the survey. Kidd is clearly the NBA's best point guard. But Nash, Marbury, Cassel, and even Parker got votes. Besides these surveys are silly. No way is Tmac a better 3 than Garnett.

 

They might be classified in order of height who knows?

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Billa_Bong:</div><div class="quote_post">So your saying Tmac Carter and Iverson are better players than Kobe because they were on bad teams? No offense but you will find out that the great coach phil jackson didn't like Kobe and didn't help him, Shaq helped him how, teaching him his special free thro technique? Malone and Payton where there one season and Kobe was great before they were there. Why should we respect Carter of all people, hes a giant baby? i want to be traded, lets give a 1/2 assed effort so i will get traded.

Also your mocking Kobe for wanting to lead his team and than say that he doesn't deserved to be respected because he hasnt led a team like A.I, Tmac, Or Carter. That doesn't make sense and once again it is popular to mock Kobe and Why? He's a good player and all he wants is to lead his team.</div>

Firstly, I want to point out that I respect your opinion, and actually I am glad you don't agree with me. Differing opinions is what allow for discussions/debates. So, to sum it up, although I may not agree with your opinion, I respect it; as I hope you do mine.

I don't think Kobe is as good as he, and many fans think he is. He has had a big advantage in playing with Shaq, as realistically, when you have a 7 foot, 350 pound giant in the middle, it tends to create some openings. And Phil Jackosn has also been a marvel in helping Kobe become a good player. His influence has given Kobe a system to play in, as well as 3 rings...that has to add to the confidence; as well as glory.

Kobe wants to be Michael Jordan. That's obvious. He thinks he is better, and he wants everyone else to think that as well. I say he may be talented, but he's not anywhere near the level of Jordan...no one is. My top 3 list of SG's in the past 20 years.

3. #8, Kobe Bryant
2. #45, Michael Jordan
1. #23, Michael Jordan

Kobe is still young, and still has a lot to prove. I for one, hope he does pull through. It would be good for the game. Kobe Bryant is the best Guard in the League at this moment, I'll give you that. However, I do think that this season will be the year he earns my respect, as a leader of his own team; to be praised and blamed alone for their progress. This will be the year Kobe earns the title of "Best in the League", when he does it alone.

Again, great opinions. Glad to see people noticing my posts.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Jurassic:</div><div class="quote_post">Come on guys.....Tmac was classified as a 3.

You can't sit here and act like there is no argument for Tmac being the best 2.

Look at the rest of the survey. Kidd is clearly the NBA's best point guard. But Nash, Marbury, Cassel, and even Parker got votes. Besides these surveys are silly. No way is Tmac a better 3 than Garnett.</div>
He wasn't classified as a three, the GMs put him down as a 3 so they could give the SG nod to Kobe while still recognizing TMac's abilities. The people who put TMac down as a 3 also probably put Garnett down as a 4.

 

I saw it the way undertaker did.

 

Well he IS the best SG guard in the league If T-mac was a SG then there would be more competition on that list but GM's didint think of T-mac that way

 

The point is, folks, T-Mac has played at the 2 position in his career like KG has played at the 3 spot during his first years in the L and probably thesedays too although his natural pos would be PF. This is why KG got 19% of the votes for the 3 spot behind T-Mac. And when we see the elite players that have played significant playing time at the 2 spot in their careers (AI, T-Mac, LeBron, Pierce, Redd, etc) don't get mentioned there, we got to look for the reasons. And of course it's obvious that Kobe is the reason.

 

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I knew there would be haters after an article like that was released.
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Obviously, It's Kobe. There's ALWAYS something that people will find wrong with everything and anything he's involved in whether that be on the basketball court or in his life.

 

As i have Said on the NBA Forum,this choice wasn't a big suprise.it was expected.i mean look at Kobe's numbers.it was really a no brainer.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting MR_SAC_KING:</div><div class="quote_post">As i have Said on the NBA Forum,this choice wasn't a big suprise.it was expected.i mean look at Kobe's numbers.it was really a no brainer.</div>

Yep. The only real competition he has is T-Mac, and after last year no one would put T-mac over him.

 

I think KG is below T-Mac because of what KG did to a fan, Im just taking a guess.