Starting Lineup Demotions

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  1. og15

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    http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylc=X3oD...ov=ap&type=lgns

    <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">O'Brien named veterans Aaron McKie and Marc Jackson and rookie Andre Iguodala to the starting lineup. McKie beat out Willie Green to be the starter at shooting guard, Iguodala gets Robinson's old spot at small forward, and Jackson takes over from Dalembert at center.

    Allen Iverson, who will play point guard rather than shooting guard, and Kenny Thomas will be the other starters for Philadelphia's season-opener Nov. 3 against Boston. </div>
     
  2. 44Thrilla

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    Jackson isn't a bad center. Come to think of it, I actually agree with OB on this one. Jackson averaged 9 and 6 in limited time last year. I am, however, surprised by the announcement because I thought Dalembert was the perfect center for Dick Harter's rotating defense. He's tall, quick, has long arms, and is a great shot blocker. So while I agree with the move now, I have a feeling it won't last very long.
     
  3. hagrid

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    I'm not surprised at all. I told Sixer fans that I wouldn't comment on anything unless it was a predictable OB move.

    Devotion to the Vets: Dalembert gets the cold shoulder. It was not only predicatble, but you could actually see it coming from afar.

    Jackson better prove his worth or 76ers fans are going to start realizing what a major BS'er OB really is.

    Good luck.
     
  4. og15

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    <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Devotion to the Vets: Dalembert gets the cold shoulder. It was not only predicatble, but you could actually see it coming from afar.</div>
    ...but what about Iguodala over Glenn Robinson?
     
  5. Martin

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    That lineup is BS! I can live with McKie over Green but Jackson over Dalembert? I would accept it if we play against San Antonio or Miami.
    Iguodala starting over Robinson? Jim,do you know that you put AI on the point? He won't shoot 30 times anymore.
    Maybe this has something to do with Kenny Thomas? O'Brien may want him to score more or he just think the bench is weak.
     
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    very doubtful about the coach's decision..........
     
  7. N4S

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    Very intresting, just read the article in the daily news.

    We are gonna be screwed if we don't have a set lineup and we are switcihng all year long.
     
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    Wow, Iguodala? =/
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">...but what about Iguodala over Glenn Robinson?</div>

    The honest answer would be that it's boggles me. [​IMG] However, the skeptic in me would probably say that the likely answers are either that Iguadala fits into a running system better than GRobb does or that he's developed his 3pt shot. [​IMG] (although if it's the running system part, you'd think Dalembert would get the knod over Jackson?)

    In thinking about it further, I wish I could say that potentially Jackson was getting the knod because of his price tag, but then, that would mean GRobb would get the nod also. Look for OB's possible discontentment with GRobb. IF he doesn't like you, you're butt's going to have splinters.

    Although, allow me to pause for a moment to possibly give OB the benefit of the doubt: Maybe it's because GRobb's never really been known to play defense?

    I've learned enough about OB to know that trying to figure out his reasoning on alot of stuff will only give you a headache.

    Best of luck 6er fans.
     
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    Nice, to see love from a division foe. Good luck to the Celts and definitely Sox.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Nice, to see love from a division foe.</div>

    Yeah, but on Nov. 3rd, the love stops. [​IMG]
     
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    actualy im not that suprised about jax starting over sammy d, jackson has proved himself to be a starting center in the preseason. mckie and jackson both definiely have more expeirnce than willie and sammy d. if u havent noticed, this line up is all about defense.iggy better d than robinson, mckie smarter team defender than willie, jackson tougher than sammy d but not the blocks. the only move i agree with ob is starting jackson over sammy d. i still think robinson shud start.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting hagrid:</div><div class="quote_post">Yeah, but on Nov. 3rd, the love stops. [​IMG]</div>

    LOL, don't worry we'll see you battling for a playoff spot this year.
     
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    I'm not too surprised with Jackson getting the nod over Dalembert. Jackson is a veteran that can play both offence and defence, and I like having Dalembert coming off the bench and giving us spark when we need it. I also like Aaron Mckie getting the start over willie green for the same reason.

    The only surprise is Iguodala cracking the starting lineup. He's a better defender than glenn but I'm still skeptical about his offensive skills. We'll see when the season begins I guess
     
  15. B.e.

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    I really dont like this that much.At this point sitting the players that ae on the rise is the last thing we need to do.

    I really have no clue why Aaron Mckie is starting, he has spent years of producing off the bench and I think he plays his best when coming off the bench.Marc Jackson is really a role player,yeah he can produce some, but right now if we want a team running up and down the floor and playing defense, Dalembert should be the starter.

    But Obrien has already said,a starting spot will not nessicarily last.I read in an article that he will be switching lineups based on whoever is playing the best.

    <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Allen Iverson, the Sixers' superstar, is the only starter virtually assured of playing 40-plus minutes a game, according to Jim O'Brien. The other four starters should not get comfortable because the coach says he will "change lineups based on guys doing better." "The team we're starting out with as starters might not be the starting team a week and a half into the season," he said. O'Brien has settled on his starting five for opening night. He hasn't told those five who they are yet. </div>
     
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    Well O'Brien always had a tendency to go with the Vets over the young inexperienced players (Because they have to play the right wayyyyyy duh? [​IMG] ) I wasn't really surprised about McKie starting being Jim O'Brien's love for the 3 ball. I like Iguodala starting over Robinson even though Big Dog is going to be playing his butt off because he is in a contract year, I guess he will just have to play that much harder. I don't think Glenn will make it too the all-star break anyway without an injury or him getting traded. Iguodala is a younger, more defensive minded, and can run the break better then Robinson...

    What surprised me that most was Marc Jackson starting over Samuel Dalembert even Brian Skinner?!? I mean Jackson has been impressing me over the coarse of the pre-season but it's the preseason! Dalembert was on a roll in April, swatting shots like flies!
     
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    I like this lineup. Jackson has shown, if he`s in good health, that he can do a great job on both ends of the floor. And I`m excited about Iguodala starting because it looks like he`s a very exciting player. Only problem is that we won`t see much of Dalembert which is been talked about his breakout season.
     
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    thats wrong, OB said he'll switch the line up based on who's doing the best so who noes maybe the third game it'll be sammy,kenny,iggy,willie,and ai whoa haha 4 of them have "y" at the end
     
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    I really like this lineup compared to the projected lineup of Iverson, Green, Robinson, Thomas and Dalembert. Now that Jackson is starting Center it will benefit Thomas more than it did playing with Dalembert believe it or not. I always said that Jackson was a better complementary player for Kenny Thomas. Why? Well Kenny Thomas is an undersized PF as it is, and what's better to match him up with a strong, physical and aggressive player like Jackson and as you may know those three traits that go with Jackson by no means fit Dalembert. Also, Dalembert has been quite slow to understand O'Brien defensive scheme while Marc Jackson on the other hand has been very impressive thus far. My only concern is whether he(Jackson) will be able to play at LEAST 60 games for us. Jackson is a very underrated player imo, but many has yet to see that because of his long past of getting injured. So if he can stay healthy I think he can put up 12 PPG to go along with his 9 RPG.

    As for the McKie getting the nod for the starting SG it really helps. He's been deserving of a starting SG spot and he finally gets it. And being teammates with Iverson for over 6-7 years now will show. The chemistry will be on point.

    Anyways, Iverson has been turning the ball over quite a lot during the preseason and I wasn?t surprised. And with Willie Green on the court with him simultaneously it was a turnover frenzy. However, now that McKie is starting he can share some of the PG duties with Allen Iverson which is big plus. Similar to Eric Snow, McKie takes care of the ball and makes the right decisions. Also with McKie exceptional perimeter shooting and ability to get to the basket, opposing teams will most def. think twice about doubling Iverson. You would find it more likely for defenders to double team Iverson with a second-round draft pick like Willie Green on the court.

    But even though McKie beat Green out of the starting SG role, I think Green will be better off off the bench. At first I was very optimistic about him in the backcourt with AI, but from what I seen I think he will be better off playing with the 2nd unit. Playing with lesser talent he will get into his comfort zone at a higher rate opposed to playing on the court with perennial starters. So I think this move was the best for the both of them.

    Now the move that swapped Iguodala and Robinson was the one that surprised the most. Eventually, I though maybe during the 2nd half of the season Iguodala would force himself into the starting lineup or make it due to a Robinson injury. However, to get the starting SF spot so early was a shocker. It was ironic how O'Brien indicated Robinson as the stand out player of training camp but yet he will come off the bench. But I think the primary reason why Iguodala was placed over Robinson was for defensive reasons. Let's face it, Iverson is more effective at guarding players his size, I believe McKie can guard star players like Pierce for example but the question is for how long, and is he mobile enough? But anyways, that?s when Iguodala steps in. He's young he won't get fatigued and he's just hungry. Placing him as our "star" stopper will help. With Snow departure I was worried about stopping primetime players, but I think Iguodala can do a fairly good job containing them. Hopefully, he can release his inner "Tayshaun Prince" when defending them. :P

    So all in all, I?m very pleased with this lineup. Obviously is going to change because of depth of this team and not every guy in this lineup will produce consistently, so there are going to be some changes eventually. But from the sneak preview we got with this lineup against the Utah Jazz, they're looking pretty good.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> Now that Jackson is starting Center it will benefit Thomas more than it did playing with Dalembert believe it or not. I always said that Jackson was a better complementary player for Kenny Thomas. Why? Well Kenny Thomas is an undersized PF as it is, and what's better to match him up with a strong, physical and aggressive player like Jackson and as you may know those three traits that go with Jackson by no means fit Dalember</div>

    I partially areee with you but you have left something out.Kenny Thomas was able to put up All-Star capable numbers last year,and he was playing along side Sammy D,and there didnt seem to be a problem.Kenny was pretty healthy last season and it seems to me like Sammy D and KT play fairly good with each other.

    If the Sixers want to be known as a team that runs up and down the floor,and plays good defense,that seems to fit Sammy D's discription better then Marc Jacksons.
     

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