<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Eagles4Life)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Steelerfan_2005)</div><div class='quotemain'>One thing you failed to mention BF1 is that McNabb was the #2 pick overall in 1999 whereas Brady was the 199th pick overall in 2000.</div> I dont know what that has to do with anything. Tim Couch was the 1st overall pick, and he's at home now. Roger Staubach was the 199th overall pick as well, and he's in the HOF. Where you are picked is irrelevant in this case.</div> I think it's relevant. If I went into restaraunt A and ordered a burger and it was $12.99 and was pretty good, but went into restaraunt B and ordered the same burger but it was $5.99 and tasted the same or better, I'd feel ripped off that I spent the $12.99. Expectations are very relevant to value.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Steelerfan_2005)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Eagles4Life)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Steelerfan_2005)</div><div class='quotemain'>One thing you failed to mention BF1 is that McNabb was the #2 pick overall in 1999 whereas Brady was the 199th pick overall in 2000.</div> I dont know what that has to do with anything. Tim Couch was the 1st overall pick, and he's at home now. Roger Staubach was the 199th overall pick as well, and he's in the HOF. Where you are picked is irrelevant in this case.</div> I think it's relevant. If I went into restaraunt A and ordered a burger and it was $12.99 and was pretty good, but went into restaraunt B and ordered the same burger but it was $5.99 and tasted the same or better, I'd feel ripped off that I spent the $12.99. Expectations are very relevant to value.</div> Man, i dont know about you, 12.99 for a burger!!! You can get a double cheeseburger at Mcdonalds for 1.00. Besides brady is like a steakburger. LOL
This is just plain rediculous. They are BOTH good QB's. It doesnt matter who is better. A lot depends on your choice of styles. Brady is your prototypical drop back passer, while McNabb has an extra dimension of mobility. Their stats are virtually identical, with Brady having a few ore passing yards per game, while McNabb throws more TD's and less INT's and has a ton more rushing yards. It does not always have to come down to one guy being better then the other. They have different styles, and both have won a ton of games. Infact, in the Super Bowl era there have only been 4 QB's with winning % of 700 or better, and guess what Brady and McNabb are a part of that group, pretty damn impressive. It's like, who do you think is better Steve Young or Joe Montana. I bet you can get a person to argue either way, but in the end they are both incredible QB's.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Steelerfan_2005)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Eagles4Life)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Steelerfan_2005)</div><div class='quotemain'>One thing you failed to mention BF1 is that McNabb was the #2 pick overall in 1999 whereas Brady was the 199th pick overall in 2000.</div> I dont know what that has to do with anything. Tim Couch was the 1st overall pick, and he's at home now. Roger Staubach was the 199th overall pick as well, and he's in the HOF. Where you are picked is irrelevant in this case.</div> I think it's relevant. If I went into restaraunt A and ordered a burger and it was $12.99 and was pretty good, but went into restaraunt B and ordered the same burger but it was $5.99 and tasted the same or better, I'd feel ripped off that I spent the $12.99. Expectations are very relevant to value.</div> Trust me Steelerfan, there is noone out there that thinks Eagles got ripped off with Mcnabb. Just ask BF1 about Cade McNown or Tim Couch, or the great Akili Smith.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Eagles4Life)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Steelerfan_2005)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Eagles4Life)</div><div class='quotemain'> I dont know what that has to do with anything. Tim Couch was the 1st overall pick, and he's at home now. Roger Staubach was the 199th overall pick as well, and he's in the HOF. Where you are picked is irrelevant in this case.</div> I think it's relevant. If I went into restaraunt A and ordered a burger and it was $12.99 and was pretty good, but went into restaraunt B and ordered the same burger but it was $5.99 and tasted the same or better, I'd feel ripped off that I spent the $12.99. Expectations are very relevant to value.</div> Trust me Steelerfan, there is noone out there that thinks Eagles got ripped off with Mcnabb. Just ask BF1 about Cade McNown or Tim Couch, or the great Akili Smith.</div> Mcnabb definately was a good pick in that draft. I dont know that they could have taken anyone else besides Edge and gotten value at that pick. I dont remember draft that well. I do remember they booed the heck out of Mcnabb. The only person ripped off is SF paying 13 dollars for a frickin hamburger, i mean damn.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Steelerfan_2005)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Eagles4Life)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Steelerfan_2005)</div><div class='quotemain'>One thing you failed to mention BF1 is that McNabb was the #2 pick overall in 1999 whereas Brady was the 199th pick overall in 2000.</div> I dont know what that has to do with anything. Tim Couch was the 1st overall pick, and he's at home now. Roger Staubach was the 199th overall pick as well, and he's in the HOF. Where you are picked is irrelevant in this case.</div> I think it's relevant. If I went into restaraunt A and ordered a burger and it was $12.99 and was pretty good, but went into restaraunt B and ordered the same burger but it was $5.99 and tasted the same or better, I'd feel ripped off that I spent the $12.99. Expectations are very relevant to value.</div> Expectation. When a QB goes to 5 straight ProBowls in his first 5 years as a starter, MVP runner up in his first year, takes the team to 4 NFC championship games and 1 Super Bowl. Trust me, he has exceeded everyone's expectations. I agree that getting Brady with the 199th pick nice, but thats life. I think people forget how bad the Eagles were before McNabb came. We were the 3-13, the worst team in the league. Bobby Hoying as the starter, I shuddder just thinking of those days.
Another player with Numbers in that draft similar to brady/mcnabb - Matt hasselbeck. He was the 34th pick of the 6th rd.
You can sum up the comparison with the following: <ul> [*]Passing Ability - Brady may have a slight edge, although McNabb has improved. Draw [*]Scrambling - McNabb has the added dimension of being a scrambling QB - this benefits the offensive line, gives him more time in the pocket, and give the OC another option in goal line situations. Advantage McNabb. [*]Leadership - Brady has the added dimension of being the most level-headed, calming presence in the huddle and rarely chokes. McNabb, on the other hand, admittedly chokes on his own vomit towards the end of games. Advantage - Brady [*]Consistency - Brady has proven to be more consistent over the years, but the real credit should go to New England's personel office. Advantage - Brady [*]Intelligence - Both QBs are very intelligent and can read defenses well. McNabb is more of an improviser while Brady is more traditional. Once again, Brady may be a product of his environment, but for now... Advantage - Brady [*]Athleticism - McNabb easily wins on this comparison. Advantage - McNabb [*]TD Celebration - Yet another advantage to McNabb. Advantage - TO [/list] Now I guess you just have to judge how important each category is in. Personally, I'd rank the attributes as follows from most important to least important: Leadership Ability - Trent Dilfer is the best example of how a QB who doesn't screw up can win games Passing Ability Scrambling Ability Intelligence Athleticism Consistency Based on that assessment, Brady is the man. When you factor in price, as a GM, Brady is definitely the man. If you can get McNabb, great. He ranks high in all categories, but Brady currently ranks higher in the most important categories.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (vikingfan)</div><div class='quotemain'>You can sum up the comparison with the following: <ul> [*]Passing Ability - Brady may have a slight edge, although McNabb has improved. Draw [*]Scrambling - McNabb has the added dimension of being a scrambling QB - this benefits the offensive line, gives him more time in the pocket, and give the OC another option in goal line situations. Advantage McNabb. [*]Leadership - Brady has the added dimension of being the most level-headed, calming presence in the huddle and rarely chokes. McNabb, on the other hand, admittedly chokes on his own vomit towards the end of games. Advantage - Brady [*]Consistency - Brady has proven to be more consistent over the years, but the real credit should go to New England's personel office. Advantage - Brady [*]Intelligence - Both QBs are very intelligent and can read defenses well. McNabb is more of an improviser while Brady is more traditional. Once again, Brady may be a product of his environment, but for now... Advantage - Brady [*]Athleticism - McNabb easily wins on this comparison. Advantage - McNabb [*]TD Celebration - Yet another advantage to McNabb. Advantage - TO [/list] Now I guess you just have to judge how important each category is in. Personally, I'd rank the attributes as follows from most important to least important: Leadership Ability - Trent Dilfer is the best example of how a QB who doesn't screw up can win games Passing Ability Scrambling Ability Intelligence Athleticism Consistency Based on that assessment, Brady is the man. When you factor in price, as a GM, Brady is definitely the man. If you can get McNabb, great. He ranks high in all categories, but Brady currently ranks higher in the most important categories.</div> I dont know if i have ever seen you post something that horrible as your ranking of importance of skills. you think it is more important that a guy can scramble than he has intelligence? You would rather have a dumb guy that can run than a smart guy who stays in pocket? Athleticism over consistency? you would rather have an atheletic Vick type who is erratic than a guy who you know what you are going to get from him game after game week after week?
Well, those things can change with the degree to which a QB has them. If I have a QB who can scramble like crazy, but is dumb as a bag of rocks, then no, I don't want him. But if I have to trade some intelligence for being a great scrambler, then yes, I would do so. That just means I have to have a better OC. It would be important to note that every QB should have a minimum ability level in each category. Regarding the last point, it is actually a toss-up for me. I put Athleticism first because consistency can be taught, whereas athleticism cannot.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (vikingfan)</div><div class='quotemain'>Well, those things can change with the degree to which a QB has them. If I have a QB who can scramble like crazy, but is dumb as a bag of rocks, then no, I don't want him. But if I have to trade some intelligence for being a great scrambler, then yes, I would do so. That just means I have to have a better OC. It would be important to note that every QB should have a minimum ability level in each category. Regarding the last point, it is actually a toss-up for me. I put Athleticism first because consistency can be taught, whereas athleticism cannot.</div> Fair enough. However you just stated a ton of scrambling is nothing without an ounce intelligence. I think you have to flip it. Your defense for athleticism, is good, i will allow it
Well isn't it nice that he allows something. I think everyone needs to run their post by bearsfan to make sure he will allow it...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TOMW74)</div><div class='quotemain'>Well isn't it nice that he allows something. I think everyone needs to run their post by bearsfan to make sure he will allow it...</div> Finally, a post of yours i can agree with, i will allow it.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (vikingfan)</div><div class='quotemain'>You can sum up the comparison with the following: <ul> [*]Passing Ability - Brady may have a slight edge, although McNabb has improved. Draw [*]Scrambling - McNabb has the added dimension of being a scrambling QB - this benefits the offensive line, gives him more time in the pocket, and give the OC another option in goal line situations. Advantage McNabb. [*]Leadership - Brady has the added dimension of being the most level-headed, calming presence in the huddle and rarely chokes. McNabb, on the other hand, admittedly chokes on his own vomit towards the end of games. Advantage - Brady [*]Consistency - Brady has proven to be more consistent over the years, but the real credit should go to New England's personel office. Advantage - Brady [*]Intelligence - Both QBs are very intelligent and can read defenses well. McNabb is more of an improviser while Brady is more traditional. Once again, Brady may be a product of his environment, but for now... Advantage - Brady [*]Athleticism - McNabb easily wins on this comparison. Advantage - McNabb [*]TD Celebration - Yet another advantage to McNabb. Advantage - TO [/list] Now I guess you just have to judge how important each category is in. Personally, I'd rank the attributes as follows from most important to least important: Leadership Ability - Trent Dilfer is the best example of how a QB who doesn't screw up can win games Passing Ability Scrambling Ability Intelligence Athleticism Consistency Based on that assessment, Brady is the man. When you factor in price, as a GM, Brady is definitely the man. If you can get McNabb, great. He ranks high in all categories, but Brady currently ranks higher in the most important categories.</div> I dont agree that Brady is more intellegent that McNabb or a better leader. McNabb is the man on the Eagles, you always see him on TV and he's the face of the franchise, you cannot say the same for Brady. Intellegence, if this is not a draw I dont know what is. They are both good at reading defences, considering that McNabbonly had 8 INT's the whole season, I think he deserves some props for reading defenses. Also, scrambling ability and athleticism generally go hand in hand.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Eagles4Life)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (vikingfan)</div><div class='quotemain'>You can sum up the comparison with the following: <ul> [*]Passing Ability - Brady may have a slight edge, although McNabb has improved. Draw [*]Scrambling - McNabb has the added dimension of being a scrambling QB - this benefits the offensive line, gives him more time in the pocket, and give the OC another option in goal line situations. Advantage McNabb. [*]Leadership - Brady has the added dimension of being the most level-headed, calming presence in the huddle and rarely chokes. McNabb, on the other hand, admittedly chokes on his own vomit towards the end of games. Advantage - Brady [*]Consistency - Brady has proven to be more consistent over the years, but the real credit should go to New England's personel office. Advantage - Brady [*]Intelligence - Both QBs are very intelligent and can read defenses well. McNabb is more of an improviser while Brady is more traditional. Once again, Brady may be a product of his environment, but for now... Advantage - Brady [*]Athleticism - McNabb easily wins on this comparison. Advantage - McNabb [*]TD Celebration - Yet another advantage to McNabb. Advantage - TO [/list] Now I guess you just have to judge how important each category is in. Personally, I'd rank the attributes as follows from most important to least important: Leadership Ability - Trent Dilfer is the best example of how a QB who doesn't screw up can win games Passing Ability Scrambling Ability Intelligence Athleticism Consistency Based on that assessment, Brady is the man. When you factor in price, as a GM, Brady is definitely the man. If you can get McNabb, great. He ranks high in all categories, but Brady currently ranks higher in the most important categories.</div> I dont agree that Brady is more intellegent that McNabb or a better leader. McNabb is the man on the Eagles, you always see him on TV and he's the face of the franchise, you cannot say the same for Brady. Intellegence, if this is not a draw I dont know what is. They are both good at reading defences, considering that McNabbonly had 8 INT's the whole season, I think he deserves some props for reading defenses. Also, scrambling ability and athleticism generally go hand in hand.</div> I think the difference between the two, or at least what i think he is saying is that you can be athletic without the ability to scramble. You can teach the atheletic player to be a better scrambler than the less atheletic. It also may be referring to endurance, as far as you dont want a player who is so tired at the end of a game that he cant hurry to the line.
Athleticism plays a part in scrambling, but athleticism goes beyond scrambling. They are closely related, but not the same, which is why I created two categories. Regarding leadership, it doesn't matter how often you see McNabb on TV, or whether is the face of the organization. That is a testament to his agent and to his own PR abilities. Leadership comes in the huddle. They both have leadership skills, Brady just has more leadership skills than McNabb. I never said that McNabb was not intelligent, and I definitely think this could be argued. Without knowing and analyzing both QBs during practices, fiml study, etc, you can't come up with a solid determination. A lot of my credit goes to Brady in this category because his thinking doesn't stop when the pressure is on...that's when he shines.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Eagles4Life)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (vikingfan)</div><div class='quotemain'>You can sum up the comparison with the following: <ul> [*]Passing Ability - Brady may have a slight edge, although McNabb has improved. Draw [*]Scrambling - McNabb has the added dimension of being a scrambling QB - this benefits the offensive line, gives him more time in the pocket, and give the OC another option in goal line situations. Advantage McNabb. [*]Leadership - Brady has the added dimension of being the most level-headed, calming presence in the huddle and rarely chokes. McNabb, on the other hand, admittedly chokes on his own vomit towards the end of games. Advantage - Brady [*]Consistency - Brady has proven to be more consistent over the years, but the real credit should go to New England's personel office. Advantage - Brady [*]Intelligence - Both QBs are very intelligent and can read defenses well. McNabb is more of an improviser while Brady is more traditional. Once again, Brady may be a product of his environment, but for now... Advantage - Brady [*]Athleticism - McNabb easily wins on this comparison. Advantage - McNabb [*]TD Celebration - Yet another advantage to McNabb. Advantage - TO [/list] Now I guess you just have to judge how important each category is in. Personally, I'd rank the attributes as follows from most important to least important: Leadership Ability - Trent Dilfer is the best example of how a QB who doesn't screw up can win games Passing Ability Scrambling Ability Intelligence Athleticism Consistency Based on that assessment, Brady is the man. When you factor in price, as a GM, Brady is definitely the man. If you can get McNabb, great. He ranks high in all categories, but Brady currently ranks higher in the most important categories.</div> I dont agree that Brady is more intellegent that McNabb or a better leader. McNabb is the man on the Eagles, you always see him on TV and he's the face of the franchise, you cannot say the same for Brady. Intellegence, if this is not a draw I dont know what is. They are both good at reading defences, considering that McNabbonly had 8 INT's the whole season, I think he deserves some props for reading defenses. Also, scrambling ability and athleticism generally go hand in hand.</div> What are you talking about, Brady is the leader and face of the Pats just as much as McNabb is, no less or more. and he had thrown 4 durring the super bowl, but only 3 counted. and they happened because he didn't read the new england defence very well at all durring the superbowl.
They're both very good QB's, Brady has the edge since he has the 3 SB wins. They're 2 totally different styles of QB, so it's hard to compare them. If McNabb won 3 SB's, I'm sure we'd be arguing over who's better than McNabb. The fact is, if you produce, and win the SB, your the man. I think McNabb is an amazing QB, and he's still young so I'll keep waiting for the SB win from him.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TOMW74)</div><div class='quotemain'> What are you talking about, Brady is the leader and face of the Pats just as much as McNabb is, no less or more. and he had thrown 4 durring the super bowl, but only 3 counted. and they happened because he didn't read the new england defence very well at all durring the superbowl.</div> Acctually TOMW74, none of the INT's was due to him not reading the defense. Let's see The first INT was a poor throw to westbrook that Rodney Harrison made a amazing play on, he ran from one side of the field to the other. Give harrison some credit on that. The second INT was a bad throw, where McNabb overthrew Levens. It was a bad throw, Levens was wide open, he threw to the right guy, it was just way overthrown. To me this was the biggest INT of the game, and shouldn't have happened. It went straight to Bruschi. The Third INT, if you watch the replay, the ball bounced off of LJ Smith's hands, and into Harrison's but the game was basically over by then anyway. And I know you get excited saying 4 or 3 INT's, had that first INT counted the second never would have happened, since they were back to back plays you nitwit.
