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  1. Bearsfan1

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    Drew Bledsoe according to sportsline. I hear he also plans to go get phil sims that way he can have every guy who QBed for him on another team. So Jeff hostetler if you hear the phone ring . . .
     
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    Signing him doesn't bother me as much as the money and length. We'll see what the details of the signing are before I pass too much judgement.

    DE Marcellus Wiley has also been cut. This is not a surprise, but it does guarantee that DE just became a top priority position. This will be addressed in free agency and/or the first couple rounds of the draft.
     
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    Here?s my official take on the Bledsoe signing and the Dallas Cowboy quarterback situation. Obviously, this is before I see that we overpaid for Bledsoe!!!

    1. First of all, I blame Tom Brady. The Patriots scored a break when they found ?a diamond in the rough? at the end of the draft. This is every team?s dream. Jerry Jones has spent the last few years chasing that dream. Nothing wrong with that, but Jerry has overextended himself and it has hurt the team.

    2. Quincy Carter was obviously the wrong choice. Parcells was lucky enough to surprise some people and turn in a 10-6 season. It wasn?t going to happen again with Carter. He could make some plays, but there was less consistency out of him than most of the other starting QBs. Head coaches, particularly Parcells, crave consistency. Carter was a good athlete and a poor QB. There was no sense wasting time with him. Hindsight tells us we already wasted too much time, as Delhomme may have been the answer. But at the time, there were no indications that Delhomme would perform as he did. We had two question marks at the time to evaluate (Carter and Hutchinson), we didn?t need an overpriced third.

    3. Testeverde was brought in to be a backup, not a starter. He was there as consistency in case Carter melted down. Carter melted a little too soon.

    4. Henson may or may not be a good future QB. He?s started a total of 7 college games and 1 NFL game in the last ?.what?.7-8 years? We won?t know until he really does start some games, but after the Chicago performance, its easy to see that there is some rust there. This isn?t Eli Manning who started all through college and hasn?t taken time off away from the game. Don?t close the book on Henson, but Dallas is worse than last year if he starts this year. I?m taking this as a sign that the Cowboys still believe that Henson might still be the long-term solution. Otherwise, we would probably have used the draft or traded one of those picks for a better long-term solution than Bledsoe. I just have to wonder how much time Henson really needs.

    5. That brings us to Bledsoe. If Henson can be brought along eventually, I am unemotional about him starting or not starting. But I can see why we would need to buy another year, if needed. Bledsoe is not the savior to the franchise. He?s not a top 10 quarterback. He is a decent QB though. He?s a statue waiting to be sacked and that is my biggest concern, but Parcells has a way of protecting weaknesses like that. Vinny wasn?t mobile either. If Big Bill can improve the OL, that will help.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Cowboy71)</div><div class='quotemain'>Here?s my official take on the Bledsoe signing and the Dallas Cowboy quarterback situation. Obviously, this is before I see that we overpaid for Bledsoe!!!

    1. First of all, I blame Tom Brady. The Patriots scored a break when they found ?a diamond in the rough? at the end of the draft. This is every team?s dream. Jerry Jones has spent the last few years chasing that dream. Nothing wrong with that, but Jerry has overextended himself and it has hurt the team.

    2. Quincy Carter was obviously the wrong choice. Parcells was lucky enough to surprise some people and turn in a 10-6 season. It wasn?t going to happen again with Carter. He could make some plays, but there was less consistency out of him than most of the other starting QBs. Head coaches, particularly Parcells, crave consistency. Carter was a good athlete and a poor QB. There was no sense wasting time with him. Hindsight tells us we already wasted too much time, as Delhomme may have been the answer. But at the time, there were no indications that Delhomme would perform as he did. We had two question marks at the time to evaluate (Carter and Hutchinson), we didn?t need an overpriced third.

    3. Testeverde was brought in to be a backup, not a starter. He was there as consistency in case Carter melted down. Carter melted a little too soon.

    4. Henson may or may not be a good future QB. He?s started a total of 7 college games and 1 NFL game in the last ?.what?.7-8 years? We won?t know until he really does start some games, but after the Chicago performance, its easy to see that there is some rust there. This isn?t Eli Manning who started all through college and hasn?t taken time off away from the game. Don?t close the book on Henson, but Dallas is worse than last year if he starts this year. I?m taking this as a sign that the Cowboys still believe that Henson might still be the long-term solution. Otherwise, we would probably have used the draft or traded one of those picks for a better long-term solution than Bledsoe. I just have to wonder how much time Henson really needs.

    5. That brings us to Bledsoe. If Henson can be brought along eventually, I am unemotional about him starting or not starting. But I can see why we would need to buy another year, if needed. Bledsoe is not the savior to the franchise. He?s not a top 10 quarterback. He is a decent QB though. He?s a statue waiting to be sacked and that is my biggest concern, but Parcells has a way of protecting weaknesses like that. Vinny wasn?t mobile either. If Big Bill can improve the OL, that will help.</div>

    2 things about bledose. He is better than anyone the cowboys had. Second, he played way better at the end of last season than at the beginning, like he was getting over the wall.

    2 things about henson. In the chicago game he looked like crap. Second, i always hear rumblings that Parcells does not think he has what it takes to be a starting QB
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BearsFan1)</div><div class='quotemain'>he played way better at the end of last season than at the beginning, like he was getting over the wall.</div>

    Are you sure about that, in the Pittsburgh game, the last game of the season, which also was the biggest game of the season (they would have made the playoffs) he went 16 for 30 for 189 yards and 1 INT against the backup defense. That's not getting over a wall my friend. Look at his stats from last year.

    WK OPP RESULT CMP ATT YDS CMP% YPA LNG TD INT RAT ATT YDS AVG LNG TD
    1 JAC L 13-10 17 26 153 65.4 5.89 27 1 0 93.9 3 -4 -1.3 0 0
    2 @OAK L 13-10 13 24 198 54.2 8.25 65 1 1 78.1 0 0 0.0 0 0
    4 NE L 31-17 18 30 247 60.0 8.23 55 1 1 83.6 1 -15 -15.0 -15 0
    5 @NYJ L 16-14 16 29 197 55.2 6.79 46 2 1 85.0 2 5 2.5 5 0
    6 MIA W 20-13 15 28 212 53.6 7.57 30 1 0 90.2 0 0 0.0 0 0
    7 @BAL L 20-6 20 37 203 54.1 5.49 49 0 4 30.4 0 0 0.0 0 0
    8 ARI W 38-14 8 17 81 47.1 4.77 23 2 0 100.4 1 0 0.0 0 0
    9 NYJ W 22-17 18 30 184 60.0 6.13 27 1 0 88.8 4 16 4.0 17 0
    10 @NE L 29-6 8 19 76 42.1 4.00 17 0 3 14.3 1 8 8.0 8 0
    11 STL W 37-17 15 24 185 62.5 7.71 54 3 1 108.5 3 -2 -0.7 0 0
    12 @SEA W 38-9 25 37 275 67.6 7.43 24 1 3 64.6 0 0 0.0 0 0
    13 @MIA W 42-32 19 30 277 63.3 9.23 69 4 0 132.9 1 7 7.0 7 0
    14 CLE W 37-7 12 27 100 44.4 3.70 24 1 1 51.5 1 0 0.0 0 0
    15 @CIN W 33-17 15 30 183 50.0 6.10 60 1 0 80.3 2 13 6.5 8 0
    16 @SF W 41-7 21 32 172 65.6 5.38 16 1 0 89.6 2 9 4.5 7 0
    17 PIT L 29-24 16 30 189 53.3 6.30 56 0 1 58.9 1 0 0.0 0 0


    If anything, he was consistent the whole season, it's the emergence of McGahee towards the middle of the season that made it look like Bledsoe was doing better.
     
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    I agree with ya E4life. It was W. McGahee that brought Buffalo alive at the end of the season. Bledsoe was consistent all year, T. Henry just wasn't doing his job.

    Now with Bledsoe on the Cowboys along with J. Jones, J. Witten and K. Johnson and maybe a nice FA receiver this offense will be hell to handle. Even for the Eagles.

    I like this move by Parcells and i expect more from him this offseason.
     
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    See buffallo is a run 1st team niow adays and that helped Drew out a bit with W. McGahhee helping! I wouldnt trust Drew at his age and his mobility! But the diofference between him and vinny is Vinny throws too many INTS and Drew Fumbles too much. I see Dallas in 4th this year in our division!
     
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    Well, he threw 11TDs and 6 Ints in last 7 games, and 9 Tds ints in the first 9. You can say that is equal, i dont. You can give the credit to the emergenence of Mcgahee, that is fine. It not like Dallas didnt have a RB emerge at the end of last year, so if he plays good with a good running game then i would look for him to play good in dallas.

    P.S. Mcgahee had almost 500 of his 1100 yards for the season by the point that bledsoe's play picked up, but you can call it what you want, as usual the numbers dont back up your bullshit, specifically going out of your way to contradict me, sorry excuse for a football fan butt.
     
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    Lets' see

    First 8 games (not 7, since the season is 16 weks) he was
    8 TD's and 7 INT's

    Last 8 games
    12 TD's and 9 INT's
    and if you take away the 4 TD's against powerhouse Miami, he had 8 TD's and 9 INT's in 7 of the last 8 games.

    I dont really understand what the hell are you talking about. He was consistent the whole season, deal with it...YOU ARE WRONG

    all I gotta say to you BF1 is
    [​IMG]
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Eagles4Life)</div><div class='quotemain'>Lets' see

    First 8 games (not 7, since the season is 16 weks) he was
    8 TD's and 7 INT's

    Last 8 games
    12 TD's and 9 INT's
    and if you take away the 4 TD's against powerhouse Miami, he had 8 TD's and 9 INT's in 7 of the last 8 games.

    I dont really understand what the hell are you talking about. He was consistent the whole season, deal with it...YOU ARE WRONG

    all I gotta say to you BF1 is
    http://www.chattanoogadiscgolf.com/images/sit_in_corner.jpg</div>


    He had two horrible games, against NE and Balt. He threw 7 picks and 0 TDs. I think that is an important stat, and one that can't be overlooked. But outside those two games, he threw 20 TDs and 7 Ints. I didn't throw in fumbles in there, but not too bad.

    Oh, by the way, McGahee didn't help matters much by rushing for 37 yards and 2.6 YPC against New England either. So, Bledsoe didn't get much help.

    Like I said, he's not going to be winning the games for us necessarily, but if Bill can protect his stone feet, we can win some games with him. That is assuming we don't lose our top WR and top RB for over half of the season again, because we still won't have the depth that some other teams have.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Eagles4Life)</div><div class='quotemain'>
    Are you sure about that, in the Pittsburgh game, the last game of the season, which also was the biggest game of the season (they would have made the playoffs) he went 16 for 30 for 189 yards and 1 INT against the backup defense. That's not getting over a wall my friend. Look at his stats from last year.</div>

    Evidently he didn't have a good team around him either then. The defense gave us too many points to a backup offense. In fact, their third-string running back ran for over 100 yards and a 5.4 YPC average on the Bills defense.
    [​IMG]

    Come on, there's more to the game than that.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Eagles4Life)</div><div class='quotemain'>First 8 games (not 7, since the season is 16 weeks)</div>

    I just have one question. Why does it have to be broken into 8 week segments? I never said he played better the second half of the season, i said he played better towards the end of the season.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Cowboy71)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Eagles4Life)</div><div class='quotemain'>
    Are you sure about that, in the Pittsburgh game, the last game of the season, which also was the biggest game of the season (they would have made the playoffs) he went 16 for 30 for 189 yards and 1 INT against the backup defense. That's not getting over a wall my friend. Look at his stats from last year.</div>

    Evidently he didn't have a good team around him either then. The defense gave us too many points to a backup offense. In fact, their third-string running back ran for over 100 yards and a 5.4 YPC average on the Bills defense.
    [​IMG]

    Come on, there's more to the game than that.</div>

    I didnt say that the Pittsburgh game was his fault. What I was commenting was that he was consistent the whole season, and was unspectacular for most of it. He's a decent QB, who is way to slowfooted and does not look enough for the short pass. Thats why he gets sacked so damn much. Still, I would take him over Vinny ina heartbeat, 8 years younger. Plus, with Julius Jones as his RB, and if Quincy Morgan playes well, Dallas O can do some damage this year.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Eagles4Life)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Cowboy71)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Eagles4Life)</div><div class='quotemain'>
    Are you sure about that, in the Pittsburgh game, the last game of the season, which also was the biggest game of the season (they would have made the playoffs) he went 16 for 30 for 189 yards and 1 INT against the backup defense. That's not getting over a wall my friend. Look at his stats from last year.</div>

    Evidently he didn't have a good team around him either then. The defense gave us too many points to a backup offense. In fact, their third-string running back ran for over 100 yards and a 5.4 YPC average on the Bills defense.
    [​IMG]

    Come on, there's more to the game than that.</div>

    I didnt say that the Pittsburgh game was his fault. What I was commenting was that he was consistent the whole season, and was unspectacular for most of it. He's a decent QB, who is way to slowfooted and does not look enough for the short pass. Thats why he gets sacked so damn much. Still, I would take him over Vinny ina heartbeat, 8 years younger. Plus, with Julius Jones as his RB, and if Quincy Morgan playes well, Dallas O can do some damage this year.</div>

    He does get sacked to much, you know who got sacked at an almost equal rate last year, Donovan Mcnabb. Of course he was sacked 25 times in first 9 games. But only 12 in the last 7. He really did pick up the play at the end of the year.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Eagles4Life)</div><div class='quotemain'>I didnt say that the Pittsburgh game was his fault. What I was commenting was that he was consistent the whole season, and was unspectacular for most of it. He's a decent QB, who is way to slowfooted and does not look enough for the short pass. Thats why he gets sacked so damn much. Still, I would take him over Vinny ina heartbeat, 8 years younger. Plus, with Julius Jones as his RB, and if Quincy Morgan playes well, Dallas O can do some damage this year.</div>

    I understand your point on the Steelers game. I'm not sure I agree, but I understand now. Comparing this season to other seasons, he was pretty consistent. The thing that worries me is that I'm not sure how consistent he is within this season. You call him consistent, but I'm worried. You throw out a good game and call it 7 TD / 9 INT over the last 8 games. I throw out two bad games, and he has 10 TD / 3 INT in the last 8. Throw out only one game, and he is still 11 TD and 6 INTs in the last 8. Miami still has a decent secondary, so I can't discount that game anyway.

    After discussing it, it sounds like it all comes down to how well Bill can manage Drew. He has talent, but he makes mistakes. Sounds like a coaching challenge. Hopefully, he manages Drew better than he did Vinny.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BearsFan1)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Eagles4Life)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Cowboy71)</div><div class='quotemain'>

    Evidently he didn't have a good team around him either then. The defense gave us too many points to a backup offense. In fact, their third-string running back ran for over 100 yards and a 5.4 YPC average on the Bills defense.
    [​IMG]

    Come on, there's more to the game than that.</div>

    I didnt say that the Pittsburgh game was his fault. What I was commenting was that he was consistent the whole season, and was unspectacular for most of it. He's a decent QB, who is way to slowfooted and does not look enough for the short pass. Thats why he gets sacked so damn much. Still, I would take him over Vinny ina heartbeat, 8 years younger. Plus, with Julius Jones as his RB, and if Quincy Morgan playes well, Dallas O can do some damage this year.</div>

    He does get sacked to much, you know who got sacked at an almost equal rate last year, Donovan Mcnabb. Of course he was sacked 25 times in first 9 games. But only 12 in the last 7. He really did pick up the play at the end of the year.</div>

    What does McNabb have to do with anything. First of all, he didnt ever play the last 2 games, and anyway they both get sacked a lot. McNabb got sacked 32 times in 14 games and Bledsoe 37 in 16 games. The bigger issue is turnovers, I think it was against NE when Bledsoe got sacked and fumbled that got returned for a TD.

    Anyway, I like Bledsoe, I think he's a decent QB, and I think he'll do good in Dallas.
     
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    I think picking up Bledsoe is/was/will be a great move for the Cowboys. Parcells' coaching style and history has always been "win now." By picking up Bledsoe, they can plug him in with a three year contract and focus on fixing the defense over the next year or so.

    Odds are, they didn't overpay him, either. He's already made a TON of money. His big thing is "I want to start." I'm guessing Jones and Parcells talked him into signing relatively cheaply in exchange for being "the guy."
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Eagles4Life)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BearsFan1)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Eagles4Life)</div><div class='quotemain'>

    I didnt say that the Pittsburgh game was his fault. What I was commenting was that he was consistent the whole season, and was unspectacular for most of it. He's a decent QB, who is way to slowfooted and does not look enough for the short pass. Thats why he gets sacked so damn much. Still, I would take him over Vinny ina heartbeat, 8 years younger. Plus, with Julius Jones as his RB, and if Quincy Morgan playes well, Dallas O can do some damage this year.</div>

    He does get sacked to much, you know who got sacked at an almost equal rate last year, Donovan Mcnabb. Of course he was sacked 25 times in first 9 games. But only 12 in the last 7. He really did pick up the play at the end of the year.</div>

    What does McNabb have to do with anything. First of all, he didnt ever play the last 2 games, and anyway they both get sacked a lot. McNabb got sacked 32 times in 14 games and Bledsoe 37 in 16 games. The bigger issue is turnovers, I think it was against NE when Bledsoe got sacked and fumbled that got returned for a TD.

    Anyway, I like Bledsoe, I think he's a decent QB, and I think he'll do good in Dallas.</div>

    I was using Mcnabb as a reference point for how much he was getting sacked. You do consider Mcnabb a good QB right? So if he is taking sacks at the same rate as a good QB you certainly cant say he sucks on that point. I also pointed out the drastic decline in sack numbers in last 7 games, to show his drastic improvement at the end of last year, like i have already proven with his TD/INT ratio in this very thread.
     
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    Personally I Still Think Drew Has at least one or two more seasons in him if not more, Just look at what he head for an O-Line in Buffalo! Two Years Ago I think he was sacked more than anyone else in the leauge except for maybe David Carr. Dallas has a much better O-Line than Buffalo so I can gaurantee he will be much better off in Dallas, plus we know that Parcells has a habit of squeasing out any remaining greatness within older players. I say he throws around 25+TDs next year, but im sure he throw his share of INTs maybe around 15+. He's got receivers who can catch better in Dallas, Keyshawn Johnson, and Terry Glenn, A Similar target to Campbell at Tight End in Jason Witten, and a running back somewhat similar to Mcgahee in Julius Jones. I say Bledsoe does just Fine in Big D.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Cowboy71)</div><div class='quotemain'>DE Marcellus Wiley has also been cut. This is not a surprise, but it does guarantee that DE just became a top priority position. This will be addressed in free agency and/or the first couple rounds of the draft.</div>

    Is this a precursor that Dallas will switch to 3-4??
     

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