Bit of a nothing thread really, just thought I'd post about him to get a few opinions, thoughts etc. A couple of things have happened that made me think it would be worth bringing him him; Firstly, he seems out of favour with coach Jim O'Brien, who instead prefers Marc Jackson to start games, and Celtic fans seem to think Obie plays favourites, and if you're in his badbooks then don't expect it to change anytime soon. Also, the deadline for extending third year players passed without Dalembert inking, despite his mammoth finish to last season. He is, IMO, exactly what we need. He reminds me of a younger, rawer Mutombo - a beat on the boards, blocks everything and is capable of scoring 10 points a game, despite not having any real offensive game. Plug him into our frontcourt rotation, and it automatically changes the team balance for the better. However, two problems with this: 1) Robert Swift - we drafted him as a project center, with a lottery pick nonetheless. Does it make any sense adding another young center in Dalembert, and effectively telling Swift he's now got competition as well as focusing on his own development. Perhaps down the track you could pair them at the five and four respectively, but then what does that say to Nick Collison? Depth is one thing, but depth in terms of young prospects is generally going to cause problems down the track, particularly if not all are draftees of the team in question. 2) His contract - he is still on his rookie deal, which means any trade would need to involve taking a bad contract back like McKie (who Obie loves) or Robinson (not sure what he's on?), and would mean we'd have to give up someone like Lewis and maybe Flip or a draft pick. Just putting some thoughts online really, what are people's opinions?
He has the potential to be the next underacheiving Calvin Booth, or the next Eric Dampier.....it's too soon to tell. If you were going to pick him up, now would be the time to do so. Since Sonics management apparently loves taking risks, I'm sure they'd jump at the chance. However if he turns into a bust after signing a huge contract, the curse of the overpaid big man would plague the Sonics once again.......
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Jurassic:</div><div class="quote_post">He has the potential to be the next underacheiving Calvin Booth, or the next Eric Dampier.....it's too soon to tell. If you were going to pick him up, now would be the time to do so. Since Sonics management apparently loves taking risks, I'm sure they'd jump at the chance. However if he turns into a bust after signing a huge contract, the curse of the overpaid big man would plague the Sonics once again.......</div> You echo my thoughts exactly there. Now is the time to target him, but he is still far from the finished product. He still gets into foul trouble from time to time, and he still has little idea offensively, apart from putbacks and a dunking chance. And yes, the bigman curse still runs strong in Seattle, and in that sense I feel sorry for Rob Swift
I dont think the Sixers our going to give him up.The Sixers organitation likes him and the players like him.Even though they didnt sign him to an extension,they play on re-signing him this offseason. Even though he isnt a starter,its only because he isnt picking up the defensive scheme.Also Sammy D wasnt starting but he played more minutes the Marc Jackson.
The Sixers better keep him happy. He is one of the best they have. He is a great, and very talented player. He would add a much needed element to the Sonics, but I don;t see him there. Maybe he'll be like Stephen Jackson with reggie this year. He won't start but will end up getting more minutes then the starter.
Obivously the chances of it happening are very remote, this isn't a trade rumour or anything, but why do people think the Sixers didn't lock him up long-term ASAP when they had the chance?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Supersonic:</div><div class="quote_post">1) Robert Swift - we drafted him as a project center, with a lottery pick nonetheless. Does it make any sense adding another young center in Dalembert, and effectively telling Swift he's now got competition as well as focusing on his own development. Perhaps down the track you could pair them at the five and four respectively, but then what does that say to Nick Collison? Depth is one thing, but depth in terms of young prospects is generally going to cause problems down the track, particularly if not all are draftees of the team in question. </div> Due to this reason alone, I think we should look at more of a veteran acquisition. However, veteran centers aren't exactly being given away, so how about this: Ray Allen Antonio Daniels for Jason Kidd Alonzo Mourning Giving us a line-up of: Jason Kidd Ronald Murray Rashard Lewis Nick Collison Alonzo Mourning Ridnour, Wilkins, Radmanovich, Fortson off the bench. Not the 'contender' that Kidd and Mourning are looking for, but there aren't too many clubs (infact, we're the only team I can think of) that really has their franchise player on the table. This team could be the equal of the 2002-2004 Nets teams, and I'm thinking we return to the playoffs (good). The loss of Ray is almost entirely mitigated by Flip stepping in. Imagine how good Kidd could make Murray, Lewis and Collision, not to mention Ridnour whom he could take under his wing. Despite the contracts of Kidd and Mourning, it gives Ridnour and Swift less pressure and we should be able to usher in the era of those two far more comfortably in a few years. We could look at trading Radman for a 2-guard, I wouldn't mind looking at Luke Jackson or Jonathan Bender to fit into a run-and-gun system. Thoughts?
I would say Kidd's contract is going to make him very hard to trade, and I don't know if we'd have enough expiring contracts to deal with his current deal - what is it, still about five years to go or something? Interesting to note Dalembert logged a DNP-CD today. Was it disciplinary related, or is he just out of favour?
*Bump.* Consecutive DNP-CDs for Dalembert. C'mon Sundy, make them an offer they can't refuse... His numbers as a starter are excellent, and what he potentially brings to this team as a starting centre is mouthwatering.
Yeah, but the Sixers already have two undersized combo guards in Iverson and Green. They don't need another. There's got to be another overachiever in a crappy contract on a third team we can give Flip to...
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting realdealbneal:</div><div class="quote_post">I don't understand. Why fix something that isn't broken?</div> Well the Sonics aren't a perfect team, no team is, however, they still need improvements to be a "championship caliber team". Dalembert would help them alot inside. Just a matter of the price.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting realdealbneal:</div><div class="quote_post">I don't understand. Why fix something that isn't broken?</div> It's not exactly unbroken. Our center rotation is still questionable and Ray Allen is playing too many minutes.
Why are we talking about trading Flip? Need I remind everyone that we have seven potential free agents and Ray Allen is one of them. Even w/o my personal bias it wouldn't make sense to trade our insurance if there is a good chance that Ray (along w/ Daniels) won't resign. I didn't realize that getting hurt makes you expendable. Before everyone makes the assumption that we are a better team w/o Murray give him a chance to work his way into the rotation and see how much of a impact that he has. There is no equal value for a player of Flip's caliber on a league minimum contract for third year players. Salaries have to match up to make trades.
Being a fanboy myself I'd be against trading Flip, knowing that he could potentially be a 1st-tier player in the league. That said, Dalembert would be a pretty good pickup for the Sonics.. It would just be tough to give anything up the way the team is playing right now. Before the season started I would have said trade Lewis or Vlad for Dalembert, a draft pick, and change to make the money work. But given how much the sonics are overachieving..
I think you should trade Ray Allen and Antonio Daniels for Samuel Dalembert and Glenn Robinson or Kenny Thomas. The Sixers really want to trade either Thomas or Robinson so they wopuld probably be included in the trade.
