I really think Bosh can step up for us, and he's giving us even more of a reason to trade Carter. I think when or if we trade Vince, Chris will get all the touches and he'll be unstoppable. I'm very excited to see what will happen when this team will be turned over to Bosh, he already is getting more points than Carter this season(although its only 2 games), and if we can trade Carter for a few young starters this team will be a contender in a few years. With Bosh as our star we could rebuild quickly and build our team strong for the future. Hopefully this team will be handed over to Bosh soon, cause i can't wait. What yall think about bosh? I'm not saying we should trade Carter, I'm just saying if we do, then a few young starters are enough to build around.
I still don't think Bosh can lead the team night in and night out. Neither can Vince. This team is winning because they are actually scoring like a team. Vince draws double teams that get Bosh easy looks so without Vince, Bosh would be doubled and would have a harder time scoring.
I agree they are a great 1,2 combo. But Bosh is da man. I just hope he dosen't get fatigued again like he did last season.
Last year Bosh hit the rookie wall and started to wear down, but this year (2 games so far) he hasnt which is a good sign. Bosh has played great and he's shooting great from the field too. I think he'd be a great player to build a franchise around but Carter shouldnt be traded unless we got a good offer like an allstar in return. Carter is still good but he isnt content with living in T-Dot anymore. Everyone likes Sam Mitchell's style of play including carter, hopefully Carter changes his decision.
Bosh definitely isn't ready yet to take the helm, today's game versus Portland was a good example of that: Bosh shot 1-of-9 from the floor for 4 points and 5 rebounds to go along with 3 steals in 32 minutes and he was just outmatched this afternoon. Bosh is going to be a great player one day, but he still needs someone like Carter that will lead the team when he's struggling.
Well it seems Bosh has hit the sophomore, he played horrible against the blazers but Im not going to get all up on him just because he had one bad game. Lets see how he continutes to play before saying he's not ready.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Sooch_6:</div><div class="quote_post">Well it seems Bosh has hit the sophomore, he played horrible against the blazers but Im not going to get all up on him just because he had one bad game. Lets see how he continutes to play before saying he's not ready.</div> To be a franchise player, he needs to be consistent on a night-to-night basis and I'm not saying Bosh isn't going to play that way for the rest of the season. I'm just saying Bosh still needs someone like Carter to be the leader when he has off-nights like this. This applies vice versa too, as Carter was bailed out by his teammates' strong performance the past two games.
i dont think his age has anything to do with it. its just his readyness to take on the role of the teams "go-to-guy". its just too early in his career. i think there is no question that carmello, lebron and wade are franchise players.
so lebron is 19and hes a frnachise player ....... hes going up against webber next game lets see how he does
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting dj_premium_plus:</div><div class="quote_post">i dont think his age has anything to do with it. its just his readyness to take on the role of the teams "go-to-guy". its just too early in his career. i think there is no question that carmello, lebron and wade are franchise players.</div> flawed comparison cause u're comparing guards to a forward, where your physical maturity is an absolute imperative when being backed down by the likes of zach randolph. plus, carmelo isn't the best player on his team, its kenyon; lebron isn't the best player on his team, its big Z and wade certainly isn't the best player on his team, its shaq. of course these are all arbitrary but if u are anointed a franchise player, u clearly have to be the best player on your team.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting deception:</div><div class="quote_post">flawed comparison cause u're comparing guards to a forward, where your physical maturity is an absolute imperative when being backed down by the likes of zach randolph. plus, carmelo isn't the best player on his team, its kenyon; lebron isn't the best player on his team, its big Z and wade certainly isn't the best player on his team, its shaq. of course these are all arbitrary but if u are anointed a franchise player, u clearly have to be the best player on your team.</div> you think that zydrunas is the cavs franchise player? umm...good luck with that
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting dj_premium_plus:</div><div class="quote_post">you think that zydrunas is the cavs franchise player? umm...good luck with that</div> i don't think u understand the argument, reread it for clarity
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting deception:</div><div class="quote_post">i don't think u understand the argument, reread it for clarity</div> well...you said that big z is better then lebron (which i totally disagree with) then you said that to be the franchise player you have to be the best player on the team. then i questioned the fact that you think zydrunas is the franchise player. that was my first impression...after re-reading the posts, thats still what i get from it. if you mean something else, maybe you should be more clear. god. first you dont want him labled as a franchise player because of his age. then you say its because hes a fwd (melo is a fwd too). so i guess you mean its because hes PF. then your off making statements like zydrunas is better then lebron. geez man...your not exactly presenting a well thought out or well rounded debate. and you think im the one confused? lol!
well, let me say vince is still the present franchise player...Bosh is the upcoming franchise player...plain and simple, isn't it??? They play different positions hence they complement each other... Hopefully, these things won't come in the locker room since we don't need any ballhoggers or any rivalries in this team...
Lebron is the franchise player on the Cavs, but... I do think one thing though, Z doesn't get the ball enough for being the most efficient scorer on that team, look at his shot attempts the last 2 games, horrible for a center of that caliber.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting dj_premium_plus:</div><div class="quote_post">well...you said that big z is better then lebron (which i totally disagree with) then you said that to be the franchise player you have to be the best player on the team. then i questioned the fact that you think zydrunas is the franchise player. that was my first impression...after re-reading the posts, thats still what i get from it. if you mean something else, maybe you should be more clear. god. first you dont want him labled as a franchise player because of his age. then you say its because hes a fwd (melo is a fwd too). so i guess you mean its because hes PF. then your off making statements like zydrunas is better then lebron. geez man...your not exactly presenting a well thought out or well rounded debate. and you think im the one confused? lol!</div>I think what he means is that you'd have to be the clear cut best player on the team to be the franchise player. VC was and is the clear cut best player on our team that's why he's given the label of "franchise" player. Although Big Z isn't nearly as popular as Lebron, some would say he means just as much to the team as Lebron. Personally I think Bosh hasn't proven himself to be a franchise player just yet, but I'm sure it'll come in time. We still need Carter to carry our team at this point, something Bosh isn't quite ready for yet.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting the_game:</div><div class="quote_post">well, let me say vince is still the present franchise player...Bosh is the upcoming franchise player...plain and simple, isn't it??? They play different positions hence they complement each other... Hopefully, these things won't come in the locker room since we don't need any ballhoggers or any rivalries in this team...</div> Kudos to you for saying it just the right way. Carter is the 'present' and Bosh is the 'future' for the Raptors. And no, this won't come as a problem in the lockerroom because everyone on the Raptors roster knows what their roles are; Sam Mitchell did an excellent job establishing just that.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting dunksworth:</div><div class="quote_post">I think what he means is that you'd have to be the clear cut best player on the team to be the franchise player. VC was and is the clear cut best player on our team that's why he's given the label of "franchise" player. Although Big Z isn't nearly as popular as Lebron, some would say he means just as much to the team as Lebron. Personally I think Bosh hasn't proven himself to be a franchise player just yet, but I'm sure it'll come in time. We still need Carter to carry our team at this point, something Bosh isn't quite ready for yet.</div> dont get me wrong, i think that bosh isnt ready to be the franchise player yet either. but there is no question that lebron is clearly the most important piece and best player on the cavs.
